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[Marlenus]

Interestingly enough, John Carmack is trying to teach AI how to play Atari games right now.



I guess this is hard for AI and easy for purpose built programs.

Deep mind did that with MuZero already.

 

[Zannegan]

It'll get there. This is the early days of AI really.

I don't get why people hate AI.

Okay, so I'm a dude, right? I am somewhat smart and I actually have some interesting ideas for games, books, movies, things that you would probably enjoy but I have no outlet right? I will never in my life have a way to draw anything. To paint anything. To make a game. I'll never have that because I don't have the skills, the tools, the licenses. So my creative ideas are locked away in my head and they will die there, slowly rotting into nothingness.

Then comes AI. AI allows people with ideas to see them come to life without needing a billion dollar studio, or even training on how to bring ideas to life. AI simply listens to my inputs and creates what I tell it, bringing my imagination to life where I can now share it with the world. It can do that for movies, games, paintings, books, even medicine eventually.

So before you hate AI because somebody might lose a job, imagine those ideas dying in our heads and how "stopping" AI will actually hinder us and our children from bringing our dreams to life. Right now only billion dollar studios can bring dreams to life. Wouldn't it be better if any one of us could make the next AAA banger with just ideas in our head? Wouldn't that be an absolute win for humanity even if we no longer needed the billion dollar studio?

Early studies on AI use indicate that it stifles rather than enhances creativity, critical thinking, the ability to express onesself, and the ability to discern quality output (at least in writing). It's great for eliminating or streamlining rote tasks, but the minute you start offloading the hard parts of creation (or thinking) to an LLM, you put a boundary on your own ability to do so.

I have no doubt that "AI" will revolutionize gamedev, I just don't know that the result will be worth it.

And, to be honest, if you lack the skill or drive to fully flesh out your own universe, at least on paper, then the end result isn't going to be a place anyone is going to want to spend much time in anyway no matter what your medium of choice is. There's no point to tapping into the creativity of the masses if the end result is samey sludge built on a foundation of half-baked daydreams.

 

[MrA]

I can't beat Atari chess either because I also stink at chess.

Thats because it cheats, like seriously the software has a bug that causes it to "steal" pieces

 

[Felessan]

You seem to have a complete and total misunderstanding as to what this interpretation of so-called "artificial intelligence" actually is, and what it consists of, not to mention its capabilities. Hell, you don't even seem to grasp the fundamental purpose of its design.

I deal with AI for almost 20 years already, long before it become "omg ChatGPT" mass market stuff.

It is "artificial intelligence" in the broadest sense of the term, sure, but the token is used misleadingly. The models the talking suits and bloviating jackets can't shut up about are nothing more than data collation agents with the express purpose of streamlining workflow and taking "creation" out of the hands of "creators."

There are number of different models for different purposes.
But overall yes - given how much money invested into creation of models they are expected to be corporate slaves and do the work they are tailored for.

Even then, your starry-eyed notions of the capabilities of this mystical "artificial intelligence" (which lives entirely within the confines of your own head) are flawed. If only AI agents are "creating," you're living in a world of nonsensical fever dreams without context. No iteration of artificial intelligence - not even the most far-flung, theoretical models - is capable of the logical deduction and advanced abstraction required to mimic even one one-thousandth of the creative potential of a single human mind.

There are already models for multi-step analysis and there are, at least theoretical, models for abstraction and generalization.
People just tend to mix ChatGPT, that is particular model for particular task (information storing in convenient for humans way to interact), with everything in this field.

For example - AI did create a whole new level of strategies in playing games as it can play essentially billions of games and assess every possible move for it efficiency. And it did find new ways that humans could not, even in games those are hundreds/thousands years old, heavily impacted gameplay going forward (Backgammon and Go are notorious examples).

AI. Cannot. Invent. Especially not this hilarious corporate product masquerading as "intelligence."

It can do everything human can. Not on the scale of human though. Yet.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

It'll get there. This is the early days of AI really.

I don't get why people hate AI.

Okay, so I'm a dude, right? I am somewhat smart and I actually have some interesting ideas for games, books, movies, things that you would probably enjoy but I have no outlet right? I will never in my life have a way to draw anything. To paint anything. To make a game. I'll never have that because I don't have the skills, the tools, the licenses. So my creative ideas are locked away in my head and they will die there, slowly rotting into nothingness.

Then comes AI. AI allows people with ideas to see them come to life without needing a billion dollar studio, or even training on how to bring ideas to life. AI simply listens to my inputs and creates what I tell it, bringing my imagination to life where I can now share it with the world. It can do that for movies, games, paintings, books, even medicine eventually.

So before you hate AI because somebody might lose a job, imagine those ideas dying in our heads and how "stopping" AI will actually hinder us and our children from bringing our dreams to life. Right now only billion dollar studios can bring dreams to life. Wouldn't it be better if any one of us could make the next AAA banger with just ideas in our head? Wouldn't that be an absolute win for humanity even if we no longer needed the billion dollar studio?

You could actually realize those ideas if, you know, you actually tried? If you spent time doing?

 

[Kenneth Haight]

AI will soon be a pretty polarising topic I think, it's already becoming so. There are already people in my work who are embracing it like it's the best thing ever and others who flat out refuse to interact with it.

I'm somewhere in the middle, it's just another tool that we will all have to use in the workplace and it will inevitably take jobs more and more as it advances.

I seen a study saying that people who are using it more frequently are seeing diminished brain activity but I'm not sure what to make of it. It's sure an interesting (fucked) time to be alive

ChatGPT's Impact On Our Brains According to an MIT Study

The study, from MIT Lab scholars, measured the brain activity of subjects writing SAT essays with and without ChatGPT.

time.com

 

[dave_d]

I'm genuinely curious. As the world's biggest software company . Can MS ever release an actual good piece of software that is decent, works and is bug free?
Every windows release is a mess.
I guess they did a good job with MS word.

Age of Empire was fun.

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

It can do everything human can. Not on the scale of human though. Yet.

That's... a frankly embarrassing thing for you to say. You have my sympathies.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

It can do everything human can. Not on the scale of human though. Yet.

lol no

 

[Parazels]

I noticed that AI fails HARD if you put it in a situation that requires creativity. It just cannot think outside the box. It cannot create good, original art, tell interesting stories or think of novel strategies. it sticks to the tried and true.

An average human can't either.

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

An average human can't either.

That's why you don't hire average people for creative roles. You hire artists.

The kind of people who are like to disappear if this trend continues. Because, honestly, the mood will have readily become "what's the point?"

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

people acting like they know how this whole AI thing will play out

 

[Parazels]

Overall the lack of memories is a huge obstacle on the way of creating a personal AI assistant that could learn your personality, habits, hobbies, schedule, etc.

 

[chromhound]

Doesn't change that Gemini is still the worst AI on the market.

Fixed

 

[Crayon]

It'll get there. This is the early days of AI really.

I don't get why people hate AI.

Okay, so I'm a dude, right? I am somewhat smart and I actually have some interesting ideas for games, books, movies, things that you would probably enjoy but I have no outlet right? I will never in my life have a way to draw anything. To paint anything. To make a game. I'll never have that because I don't have the skills, the tools, the licenses. So my creative ideas are locked away in my head and they will die there, slowly rotting into nothingness.

Then comes AI. AI allows people with ideas to see them come to life without needing a billion dollar studio, or even training on how to bring ideas to life. AI simply listens to my inputs and creates what I tell it, bringing my imagination to life where I can now share it with the world. It can do that for movies, games, paintings, books, even medicine eventually.

So before you hate AI because somebody might lose a job, imagine those ideas dying in our heads and how "stopping" AI will actually hinder us and our children from bringing our dreams to life. Right now only billion dollar studios can bring dreams to life. Wouldn't it be better if any one of us could make the next AAA banger with just ideas in our head? Wouldn't that be an absolute win for humanity even if we no longer needed the billion dollar studio?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Watching the match on Youtube is amusing. The 2600 flashes the entire screen colors while it's 'thinking'.

 

[Durin]

Microsoft I doubt will ever win the AI wars, because their company structure just moves too slow vs what other smaller and more agile ones will do to advance these things.

The best they can hope for is be able to package somebody else's better AI into a product, or service running on their cloud infrastructure that you need to be a big company to create/maintain.

 

[BbMajor7th]

I noticed that AI fails HARD if you put it in a situation that requires creativity. It just cannot think outside the box. It cannot create good, original art, tell interesting stories or think of novel strategies. it sticks to the tried and true.

This is why corporates are so impressed by it I suppose and why it's adoption will super-charge the collapse of a lot of big players. Their dependence of algorithms has already driven them towards the blandest cookie cutter content imaginable. AI is the bigger faster algorithm to make it even worse.

 

[A.Romero]

It's pretty stupid to measure the capabilities of a LLM based on how it fares in that kind of use. It's like measuring the capabilities of a microwave based on how well it bakes in comparison with a regular oven.

Also, copilot's underlying model is GPT although they work with several, depending on the actual product (Windows copilot, Github, etc).

The model that beat Kasparov was Deep blue and was fined tuned for that purpose. I'm sure that same model would absolutely destroy that Atari game.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

AI is just a tool. People shouldnt expect perfection.

Do a google search of athletes who have brothers in the same sport. Google's AI scrape will get the stats and descriptions wrong with the wrong brother sometimes. It happens.