• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Winning Eleven 9 Early Impressions...

lachesis

Member
after finishing off locating all my players to my league's customized teams, I went ahead and played a couple friendly matches against my friend in my league.

First thing to notice is how heavy the players reacted - and how the ball physics is now more realistic. Ball trapping is harder than ever, but it does feel different from LE quite a bit. It's hard to say, but what Konami did to tweak the existing engine really did a wonder of capturing "unexpected" quality of a soccer ball. This time, you never know where the ball is going to go.

For one thing - short passing is hard. Even though most of my players do have pretty good short-passing ability, but the direction to send it really does matter and there are often mistakes depending on how far the receiver might be. All in all, it result frequent pass-cut from the opposite side players, creating some intense and sometimes frustrating moments in mid-field.

Initial few games, we had difficulty sending the ball to the strikers, and our strikers didn't do much of good job of finding a good position - thanks to the improved defender AI - now it's almost impossible to send a through-pass in the middle. Well, not intirely impossible as I had done a couple of times - but there's much less chance of being 1 on 1 against the goalie when compared to "through-pass-happy" 8LE. When succeded, I didn't have much luck scoring as I had a couple of defenders right by my striker. Perhaps I need a bit more practice - as I only playd 5 games total - 4 against my friend, and 1 against computer.

Dribble also feels quite different, and it's easy to lose the possetion of the ball by improved defenders. Side stepping is now possible w/o R2 button - unlike some people who complained about it - I didn't find much bother some. I guess it's just a matter of getting used to.

Long balls, crosses and all - it's more competitive and not as unfair as LE - however you have to be at the right position (you will have to move your player) to make a good header, and for some reason, I found this better than LE. It's still "tricky" to make a good contact with your head - but it's not as frustrating as LE, and for some reason - I felt like I know what I'm doing when trying to move my player for the header. :)

While I haven't done it myself, but I hear a lot of people saying that free-kick in this game is quite easy - that it gives a decent chance of making a goal whoever have a decent enough (say 85+) freekick ability. Anyhow, best free-kick ability now belongs to Juninho from Brazil. (FK 99, Curve 98 I think) - now better than Mihailovic and Beckham. Talking of dead-ball situation, Corners are much more deadly now - that I could make a better contact with the ball with my player's head, although goalie does seem to be more ready for headers.

Defending wise, it's easier to defend and easier to take the possetion away from attackers. Importance of speed/accelation/body balance has been toned down quite a bit. While they are still important, and not ruling out I've only played few games - but the right positioning is quite important. (a good thing for players like Inzaghi or Raul, who would excel at being at the right place at the right moment)

And lastly - importance of mid-ranged shoot and loose ball as well as dead-ball situation is probably the key to make decent goals, not 1-1 chances nor unlikely headers. I've scored with R.Carlos running in at a lose-ball just out side of penalty area (a bit off the center), shot with R2 control - and BOOM. The goalie couldn't even move. The ones with higher shooting power and decent accuracy with mid-range shoot special ability (such as Adriano, Nedved, Ballack, Gerrard, Lampard, and R. Carlos) are to watch out for, I believe. It's the war in the mid-field, and you will see alot more goals from oncoming mid-fielders or even full-backs, just as much as you would see a striker making a goal - and I do welcome the change and challenge.

In conclusion, it's a worthy update in the ongoing series, and it did not fail my expectation of being "fresh". New motions do add a lot more smooth action into the game. I don't think it's anything revolutionary - but I'm holding my breath for eventual PS3 version of WE10 or what not in a couple of years. Until then, this old WE7 engine will have to do, as most of the basic structure of moder WE, does seem to be all derive from WE7, and I guess this is pretty much maxed out as for now. Best soccer game? Yes, definitely... and it's a damn good one and even manages to feel rather "fresh", but leaves the bitter taste in my mouth, as there isn't anything revolutionary. I hope WE10 would be available sooner on the X360... as to wait for PS3 version of WE10 would mean probably a good 2 year wait...

lachesis
 
Hmm. I thought WE9 Final Evolution would be the last WE on PS2... as I remember reading about it from an interview. WE10 on PS2 does sound quite possible, though.

WE11, sould quite funny though. Winning Eleven Eleven? ;)

lachesis
 
i agree with what you said.

i have a copy here right now. i am honestly amazed how much better its now.
 
Fowler said:
BTW -- you can use a USB keyboard to edit names now. Makes life SO much easier :-)

You could have told me yesterday! ;)

I'm done with all my edits asides certain players - but my league is ready to go.

Anyhow. Montella of AS Roma. ATT 93! But did Marek Mintal of Nurnberg get any love? NONE!

I am VERY angry at some of the stats that they gave to some non-english/EPL players... :(

lachesis
 
lachesis said:
You could have told me yesterday! ;)

Sorry, I've been too busy typing away :-) Done England and Italy and half of Spain, I might actually do every single player since it's easy enough.

Nippon Challenge Mode rocks, btw.
 
More powerful hair edit... and lots of accessories.
I'm not sure whether neck-warmer was there in 8LE (probably), but Kaka looks now more authentic with neck warmer.

some people got a bit of face-lift - Chivu, now doesn't look too hideous. Some players still don't have specific faces like Hleb or Robinho.

..

thinking of Robinho's stats just makes me angry. ;)

lachesis
 
for anyone who wants to see the game in motion click here!

watch ronaldos goal.. guess that's the new controlled shot ability. looks ace.
 
lachesis said:
Hmm. I thought WE9 Final Evolution would be the last WE on PS2... as I remember reading about it from an interview. WE10 on PS2 does sound quite possible, though.

WE11, sould quite funny though. Winning Eleven Eleven? ;)

lachesis

I hope you are right as i, too, am ready to move on to a bigger and better WE on PS3.
 
Great impressions, thanks. I'm a little concerned about the constant side-step dribble, but I'll have to see it for myself. I should have the game in a few days.

Just watching that video, I can tell how tight the defending is. Would you say that makes the game more challenging on the higher difficulties?

I love how quickly the players seem to respond/recover. That's always been one of my greatest beefs.

Gaming-Ryu said:
WE10 will be on PS2, I think. The first WE game on PS3 will be WE11.
WE10 will be the first WE on PS3 and will also be on the PS2.
 
It is indeed a difficult game on 5 star. (I normally play on 6 star against cpu). However, I think it's more of adjustment period. It will probably take a month or so to be fully adjusted into this game, I think. I think I'm past the point, especially on any Winning Eleven series on difficulty level - as I somehow managed to get used to the game. ;)

Couple of pointers..
Lobbing Through passes go much deeper than usual, so when used before half-line, usually the goalie has no problem clearing it out. I had a better luck with lobbing through pass a few yards before half-line - and it seemed like it had better chance of creating more threatening chances.

Also on dribbling... while holding R1 and tapping R2 in diagonal - It does super-dash like before. With faster players with higher body balance has better chance of penetrating (especially on either side).

There are fouls galore. This could be the down-point of the game - but when defending - you'd better be careful getting too close from the angle that you don't have much chance to get the ball. Now the defenders would grab you and pull you down with their hands. Frequent foul calls are dangerous, especially around the penalty box area - where dead-ball situation is now more dangerous than ever (people have claimed that they've made 40+ meter freekick goal with R.Carlos in this version) - I reckon even 30+ meters are not even safe by any means.

As for the side-stepping.. I kinda like it unlike common complaint about it. It's simpler and it makes sense and natural. I thought 90 degree sudden turns in previous WE games were even more unlikely. Since dribbling is harder this time around - it would be a rewarding to master the dribbling in few months, especially against human opponents.

Anyhow... I thought the game's pace was faster than previous ones watching some video - but it surely doesn't seem to be any faster. Actually, players feel really heavy and you can actually almost feel the ball's physics and all. Perhaps once you master the art of short-passing, I'm sure the game will speed up considerably - and to do so, mastering basic movements all over again would be quite necessary, I think. (right down to ball trapping.)

lachesis
 
Socreges said:
WE10 will be the first WE on PS3 and will also be on the PS2.

Elios83 said:
It will be also on PS2 ;)

Damn, didnt know that, I stand corrected :D .

Is this official? I ve been out of the (WE) loop for too long, I guess.

Oh, and great impressions lachesis, keep them coming!
 
How come the crowd vanishes when playing a game?

- You can't edit all the team names from Japanese to English - Chelsea, Arsenal... Internationals... etc.


The crossing and heading seems much better though... I can score with ease unlike in Pro Evolution Soccer 4.


Anybody know of an option file with all the kits? You can also have proper international kits. :D
 
Wax Free Vanilla said:
How come the crowd vanishes when playing a game?

- You can't edit all the team names from Japanese to English - Chelsea, Arsenal... Internationals... etc.

The crossing and heading seems much better though... I can score with ease unlike in Pro Evolution Soccer 4.

Anybody know of an option file with all the kits? You can also have proper international kits. :D


Well, the crowd bug is there, I think, to speed up the game. I hardly notice though, since I'm playing traditional Normal-Middle of past WE series, not Normal-Far view of current LE games since 8.

Hmm.. I thought Pro Evo 4 was pretty much same as WE8 JP. In that case, OO cross did wonderous job making headers.. in fact, it was a balance breaker. In 8LE, they fixed the bug... but too much. It was near damn impossible to make a header. 9 is somewhere between 8 and 8 LE, it seems. Good balance.

Option file with all the kits... since the WEN doesn't transfer anymore.. unless someone cracked it with Action Replay, I doubt it will be available anytime soon. I'm actually enjoying un-locking a bit by bit - just unlocked 6 star difficulty.

Talking of 6 star difficulty, it seems actually easier than 5 star. WTF! ;) Also, licensed teams names cannot be changed at all... unless you patch it using your disc image, I hear.

Lastly, one word for improving WE9 game play.

R2.

R2 before you receive your ball (with pre-input the direction you'd like to proceed)
R2 when shooting.

R2 has become single most important button in this game. ;)

lachesis
 
lachesis said:
You could have told me yesterday! ;)

I'm done with all my edits asides certain players - but my league is ready to go.

Anyhow. Montella of AS Roma. ATT 93! But did Marek Mintal of Nurnberg get any love? NONE!

I am VERY angry at some of the stats that they gave to some non-english/EPL players... :(

lachesis
Speaking of the EPL players, are they as good as they are in real life. WE8 had made some of the p;ayers really crap, I had to change all of Chelsea's stats because they were so bad!
 
lachesis said:
Option file with all the kits... since the WEN doesn't transfer anymore.. unless someone cracked it with Action Replay, I doubt it will be available anytime soon.

What's WEN?


You could transfer fully kitted up option files in PES4 with Action Replay Max and a pen drive, so I assume it'll be the same for this version. But if Konami have some how blocked this I'll be pissed. :angry:
 
They never transfer WEN between "full" releases (ie, 8 -> 9) but they do for the other ones (8 -> 8LE).

Hopefully you can transfer the option file to PSP, I don't want to edit everyone all over again!
 
psycho_snake said:
Speaking of the EPL players, are they as good as they are in real life. WE8 had made some of the p;ayers really crap, I had to change all of Chelsea's stats because they were so bad!

You would be pretty happy that some chelsea players did receive some good overhaul, but not to the point of over-doing it. Robben is improved, but personally his stats could be even higher in some areas. Lampard, now has well-deserved stat improvements, and Peter Cech is now one of the best goalie in the game. Joe Cole, is also very theretening in this game. Guhdjohnsen (sp?) now have very respectable stats as well.

One thing to add though.. that it seems the stats aren't everything in this game. Say, there's Arsenal's Hleb and Man U's C.Ronaldo. Both gifted dribblers, with high dribbling speed and dribble accuracy - and as for the stats, Hleb pretty much wins in a lot of areas - but in actual playing, I found C.Ronaldo is more suitable for use. (they both have high dribbling skills, and I just can't figure out what's the crucial difference).

And to be honest... EPL isn't the league where I have complain about. Its all the other leagues I'm mad about - especially La liga, and Bundesliga, and south american clubs. I swear, whoever distribute the stats for WE only watches EPL and some A matches.

lachesis
 
are goalkeepers still brick walls? That annoys the life out of me in pes4 u hit a piledriver and the goalkeeper absorbs it all without moving, then bounces the ball.
 
I don't know if I like the new ball physics in the game. Sometimes it feels more realistic, and sometimes it bounces like a freakin pinball. Seems like a light deflection off a player will send it flying unrealistically sometimes.

Also the difficulty does seem a bit higher in WE9, but in a weird way. A team like Qatar will play me as hard as Germany..almost felt like I was playing the same team in both games.
 
MrPing1000 said:
are goalkeepers still brick walls? That annoys the life out of me in pes4 u hit a piledriver and the goalkeeper absorbs it all without moving, then bounces the ball.

Goalie AI. generally dumbed down against mid-range shoots. close range shoots, unless you use R2 shot, it blocks quite well. Headers are 50/50 - but more human like and the do make some good saves. However, I've witnessed some goofy mistakes. There was a cross coming my way, the goalie ran forward to catch the ball, and without even jumping or even trying to catch the ball, it just went past his head and back to the net. WE9's goalie, so far, is rather un-expetable to say the least.

Chipshots are pretty much useless in this game too. So in close range, either run around or use R2 shot..

lachesis
 
lachesis said:
Lastly, one word for improving WE9 game play.

R2.

R2 before you receive your ball (with pre-input the direction you'd like to proceed)
R2 when shooting.

R2 has become single most important button in this game. ;)

lachesis
R2 when dribbling. (stops the ball dead and faces goal - with the right touch [stop and forward] this can fool defenders)

I am an R2 f'ing fanatic. It'll just get worse with WE9, I bet.
 
Why is it so damn hard to find info on this game online.......they got the EPl license? yes no? Arsenal and Chelsea only ? what about Manchester United? Please someone anyone Ill paypal you a dollar....
 
Spellbound said:
Why is it so damn hard to find info on this game online.......they got the EPl license? yes no? Arsenal and Chelsea only ? what about Manchester United? Please someone anyone Ill paypal you a dollar....

Arsenal & Chelsea real kits, Man Utd are just in plain kits... don't know about the rest of EPL as i haven't played with them, but if you want to spend time you can edit in your own kit.

from evo-web

332744MH789.jpg

752278MA254.jpg

imgp12823kl.jpg

imgp12836lv.jpg

imgp13018yl.jpg

imgp12946pg.jpg
 
Top Bottom