Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
So with the US and EU launch of X360 being a mere 7-14 days appart (with a Japan launch also in 2005) it is nice that our brothers and sisters in Europe will not get the shaft this time
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X360:the first time Europeans aren't getting screwed??
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Chittagong
Gold Member
You haven't heard the talk of them excluding HD output due to small adoption of HDTV in Europe?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Yeah, but at least they won't have wait 6-months to play launch games people in the US will be enjoying in November...
Didn't people in the UK have to wait until March to play MGS3???
Unacceptable!!!!!
Mike Works
Member
I've always found it incredibly weird how Europe almost always gets shafted when it comes to release dates for games and software. They're a damn big gaming audience... I mean, I can understand Japanese software coming out in Japan first and then North America/Europe second, but something like GTA, Halo, games like those, I don't get it.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
As much as Nintendo/Sony/MS depend on EU developers to provide content, it is nice that MS is not treating that territory as an afterthought...
Furthermore, it seems that Sony may be taking the MS threat seriously..
I mean they (SCEI) just premiered the PlayStation 3 on US soil *before* Japan..
Think about that for a second!!!!
Furthermore, it seems that Sony may be taking the MS threat seriously..
I mean they (SCEI) just premiered the PlayStation 3 on US soil *before* Japan..
Think about that for a second!!!!
MightyHedgehog
Member
Realistically, all of the new systems should be done with the borders and slower speed thing this generation. All of the delays will just be down to localization times.
Spinning Plates
Member
Any indication of launch price in the UK? Im expecting £299 because maybe £249 is asking for too much respect.
We don't always get screwed over! PS1, PS2, Dreamcast all got released about a month after their US debut. Admittedly, rather different scenario with X360 since with the Japanese machines their Japanese debuts were long before the respective western launches... but we're not always bending over much more than you yanks
£299 is a non-starter for me and it should be for Microsoft too. Xbox at £299 and N64 at £249 sold so poorly they both got reduced one month after release. Microsoft aren't going to be that arrogant, not if they want a real foothold in the market and Balmer said in the engadget interview Europe was the key battleground. Even the PS2 with its unprecedented hype struggled at £299 after its first holiday, only six weeks after launch and they were easy to find on UK retail shelves. Six months later and the trade press was full of indies demanding a price-cut.
£200 RRP if $300 in the US and £229 if $360 seems fair pricing given the huge sales tax rates in Europe. Nintendo have set the benchmark for competitive hardware pricing at launch with their last two launches and whereas Sony may get away with screwing over the chavs its hard to see MS being afforded the same luxury.
£299 is a non-starter for me and it should be for Microsoft too. Xbox at £299 and N64 at £249 sold so poorly they both got reduced one month after release. Microsoft aren't going to be that arrogant, not if they want a real foothold in the market and Balmer said in the engadget interview Europe was the key battleground. Even the PS2 with its unprecedented hype struggled at £299 after its first holiday, only six weeks after launch and they were easy to find on UK retail shelves. Six months later and the trade press was full of indies demanding a price-cut.
£200 RRP if $300 in the US and £229 if $360 seems fair pricing given the huge sales tax rates in Europe. Nintendo have set the benchmark for competitive hardware pricing at launch with their last two launches and whereas Sony may get away with screwing over the chavs its hard to see MS being afforded the same luxury.
What you mean to say is the UK has always hated NintendoBigfonzie said:Europe or the UK atleast have always gone for the underdogs in a way, look at the master system, genesis (megadrive) , Amiga (OMG!) and even the playstation (the newcomer).
They won't even buy the GC at 49 quid FFS.For us, europeans, very happy indeed about the release of X360 even before Japanese market.. but anyway what we do most care.. IS PRICE!!!!..
Ok, Euro goes strong.. but anyway we expect from Ms, Sony and Nin not very expensive consoles.. everytime looks like we have to pay the whole i+d bill to those companies
Ok, Euro goes strong.. but anyway we expect from Ms, Sony and Nin not very expensive consoles.. everytime looks like we have to pay the whole i+d bill to those companies
Even at £199, I don't think more than an insignificant number of 360s will be sold in Europe. PS3 hype will be going full strength by then, and Sony absolutely rules here.
Girlfriends will say "are you playing your Playstation again?", no matter if you're holding a Game&Watch or jerking off in the bathroom. It's that synonymous with gaming for the vast majority of people.
Girlfriends will say "are you playing your Playstation again?", no matter if you're holding a Game&Watch or jerking off in the bathroom. It's that synonymous with gaming for the vast majority of people.
Moonwalker
Member
I seriously doubt they'll exclude hd this time, after all europe gets their 720p hd free to air standard, in countries like australia we've had fta HD for several years now. There is no excuse not to support it since televisions sold in europe and pal territories have hd support for a while now.
And yes xbox is huge in Australia so i look forward to ms giving pal territories the support we've so lacked for a long time. Just the mere fact we have to wait till august for psp doesn't install any confidence of sony changing their attitude when it comes to poor pal support.
And yes xbox is huge in Australia so i look forward to ms giving pal territories the support we've so lacked for a long time. Just the mere fact we have to wait till august for psp doesn't install any confidence of sony changing their attitude when it comes to poor pal support.
Project Midway
Member
If MS is serious about eating Sony's marketshare and nailing the final nail in the Nintendos coffin here in EU, they should price the Xbox 360 very competitively, not a single euro more expensive than what US gamers are paying. EU is the region where MS could make some really big gains if they play their cards right...IMO.
Pedigree Chum
Banned
Is it true that X360 games will be letterboxed on regular 4:3 tv's? That would suck if true 
They have already made such a massive noise about HD that they can't dump it in PAL territories. And a lot of people do have lcds and plasmas that are HD ready, so that would alienate the most probably early adopter crowd.
I'm just a bit worried about the tiny allocations MS can spare different territories. Are they going to hike the price into astronomical figures as demand>supply?
Euro launch is unlikely to be postponed, though, as MS has said that it's planning an X05 event this year to show the console in Europe too unless.
That will depend on the developers. I'm sure MS would preferer the game to have a regular aspect ration on 4:3 TVs, but I don't think they will enforce anything.Pedigree Chum said:Is it true that X360 games will be letterboxed on regular 4:3 tv's? That would suck if true
As for Australia/NZ, last I heard it will be for March 2006.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Blimblim said:
I read it in GAF so it must be true
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
ourumov said:
Anyone building a small electric power plant to provide 110V/60 Hz current in your home :lol ?
With Xbox 1 you already needed a 250+ Watts transformer.
Project Midway
Member
No you dont. Mine worked fine with 100VA transformer. But I bought it from a real electric outfitter, it was built like a tank, not like one those shoddy lightweight transformers lik-sang and others sell.Panajev2001a said:
neopokekun
Member
Depends on the publisher/developer. SquareEnix for example seems incapable of doing any type of PAL optimizations while a budget game publisher like 505 Game Street almost always include a 60hz option.Meantime said:
I dont think they can 'drop' HDTV support, isnt it on the graphics chip?
They could not sell the cables, which is what they did this gen, but this fall HDTV will be the new high tech fancy thing in the EU (with a lot of satellite broadcasters starting their programming) so i think it'll be included.
We will get the screw though, just wait for the price.
They could not sell the cables, which is what they did this gen, but this fall HDTV will be the new high tech fancy thing in the EU (with a lot of satellite broadcasters starting their programming) so i think it'll be included.
We will get the screw though, just wait for the price.
Don't drop the HD. HD will be big in 2006, and if MS drop it, all the more for Sony to cash in.
I don't expect the launch price to be Dollar equivalent, simply due to the distortion that market has on pricing. Japan launch price might be closer. Still, aim for 299 Euro/£199 please
And I'm going to try and resist importing this time for all three consoles. Just in case they have proxy testing on their online, or other stuff. You'll be a lot more connected, so there are more ways to enforce regions if wanted.
Look at WMVHD discs with internet DRM - they don't work outside of the US (they even blocked the fake proxies recently)
I don't expect the launch price to be Dollar equivalent, simply due to the distortion that market has on pricing. Japan launch price might be closer. Still, aim for 299 Euro/£199 please
And I'm going to try and resist importing this time for all three consoles. Just in case they have proxy testing on their online, or other stuff. You'll be a lot more connected, so there are more ways to enforce regions if wanted.
Look at WMVHD discs with internet DRM - they don't work outside of the US (they even blocked the fake proxies recently)
Well the £/$ is 1.82, so the PSP should have cost on striaght $/£ conversion £138 in the UK. Of course they always go on about import taxes and the like, much of which is virtually impossible for normal consummers to verify but ultimatley it ends up with the PSP launched 9 months later than the US and costing us £180 ($333). I'd expect we can see the same for all the new consoles, its not just a Sony thing.
Project Midway
Member
There's no way they are dropping it. Or if they are, MS is really clueless and deserves to rot in hell!! 
. 720p lcd's are already selling pretty well and they are getting more and more popular by next christmas. I cant see any reason why MS wouldnt support hd here in EU.
. 720p lcd's are already selling pretty well and they are getting more and more popular by next christmas. I cant see any reason why MS wouldnt support hd here in EU.