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Yet another exoplanet in the habitable zone discovered around star 39 LY away

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jerry113

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https://www.theguardian.com/science...-discovered-by-astronomers-exoplanet-lhs1140b

A rocky planet that orbits a red dwarf star has been revealed as the latest contender for the best place to hunt for life beyond the solar system.

The newfound world was spotted as it crossed the face of its parent star and cast an almost imperceptible shadow that was detected by the MEarth-South observatory in the Chilean desert.

The planet lies 39 light years away and is believed to lurk in the habitable zone – where liquid water could support life as we know it – around a star named LHS 1140 in the constellation of Cetus, the sea monster.

Jason Dittmann at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said the new exoplanet, known as LHS 1140b, was the most exciting he had seen in 10 years. ”We could hardly hope for a better target to perform one of the biggest quests in science: searching for evidence of life beyond Earth," he said.

Astronomers now discover new planets with such frequency that what is considered to be the most promising home for extraterrestrials changes from month to month. In February, scientists spotted seven planets around another star at a similar distance to LHS 1140, a discovery that meant the search for life elsewhere could begin sooner than many thought. Last year, astronomers raised the prospect of life on Proxima b, a planet circling our nearest star a mere four light years away.

What makes LHS 1140b notable is that it is not bombarded with as much high-energy radiation that batters other planets around similar stars. Intense blasts of radiation can strip away tenuous atmospheres and harm any life beneath. In the more hospitable environment on LHS 1140b, a vast magma ocean could have fed steam into the atmosphere, replenishing the planet with water, the scientists said.

Further measurements of the planet by the European Southern Observatory in Chile found the planet to be about 40% larger than Earth, but with seven times the mass, which astronomers believe could be explained by it being rocky with a dense, iron core. Details of the discovery are reported in the journal Nature.

Not to be confused with the 7 earth-sized planetary system discovered around another star earlier two months ago: https://www.theguardian.com/science...d-planets-discovered-orbiting-trappist-1-star
 

foxuzamaki

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it's almost like a sign, we're discovering all these planets that could be possible to live on when we are even closer to fucking this planet than ever before
 
Get ready. Next year we'll have TESS hunting for exoplanets in better ways than Kepler or any other telescope. Shit's about to get real. Thousands more will be found.

OT: this is awesome!
 
but how do we travel 1 lightyear away tho......

30 fucking 9??

:0

Connect point A to point B

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What could go wrong?
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Once that bigass new space telescope starts spotting co2 and o2 and h2o we're going to have to redo the drake equation. 2018 right?
 

DiscoJer

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You're not likely to find life around a red dwarf for a variety of reasons. If this red dwarf is stable, then that only eliminates one.

Beyond that, it's likely older than our Sun, so if it has life, why aren't they looking for us, instead of vice-versa?

But really, I don't know why they even waste their time with red dwarfs. It's a huge galaxy, look at stars like ours.
 

jerry113

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but how do we travel 1 lightyear away tho......

30 fucking 9??

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Our own milky way galaxy is 100,000 light years long in diameter. There are en estimated 1-2 trillion galaxies in the known universe. And this is not including the great empty expanse of space separating every galaxy from each other.

39 light years is nothing. It's the house across the street.
 

Man God

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Our own milky way galaxy is 100,000 light years long in diameter. There are en estimated 1-2 trillion galaxies in the known universe. And this is not including the great empty expanse of space separating every galaxy from each other.

39 light years is nothing. It's the house across the street.

It's the next grain of sand in the hourglass on a cosmic scale.
 
Our own milky way galaxy is 100,000 light years long in diameter. There are en estimated 1-2 trillion galaxies in the known universe. And this is not including the great empty expanse of space separating every galaxy from each other.

39 light years is nothing. It's the house across the street.

And yet you could circumnavigate the entire observable universe within a lifetime travelling close to the speed of light.
 
hmm, as someone who studied time special relativity that an extremely inflated number.

I'm only going off what Carl Sagan said in Cosmos. What numbers did you come up with?

We'd go closer and closer to the speed of light until the midpoint of the journey. Then the spacecraft is turned around and we decelerate at 1 g to the destination. For most of the trip, the velocity would be close to the speed of light and time would slow down enormously. By how much? Barnard's Star could be reached by such a ship in eight years, ship time. The center of the Milky Way galaxy in 21 years. The Andromeda galaxy in 28 years. Of course, the people left behind on the Earth would see things somewhat differently. Instead of 21 years to the galaxy they would measure it as 30,000 years. When we got back very few of our friends would be around to greet us. In principle, such a journey mounting the decimal points closer and closer to the speed of light would even permit us to circumnavigate the known universe in 56 years, ship time. We would return tens of billions of years in the far future with the Earth a charred cinder and the sun dead.
 
Our own milky way galaxy is 100,000 light years long in diameter. There are en estimated 1-2 trillion galaxies in the known universe. And this is not including the great empty expanse of space separating every galaxy from each other.

39 light years is nothing. It's the house across the street.
For a house across the street it sure takes a crazy amount of energy to accelerate to, say, 10% of light speed then solve the same problem decelerate at the other end. That's 390 years plus of travel.

The fastest anything man has made has gone at
0.023% of light speed, a probe launched in the 70s and it used a gravity sling shot to get to that fraction.

So there is a bit of a breakthrough needed to get to that house across the street. It's like being on an island with canoe technology and realizing the next nearest island is 17 million kilometers of ocean distant. At that point one might consider taking better care of the island you are on. But no. Keep poisoning the water, cutting down the palm trees and adding more people..
 

SkyOdin

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For a house across the street it sure takes a crazy amount of energy to accelerate to, say, 10% of light speed then solve the same problem decelerate at the other end. That's 390 years plus of travel.

The fastest anything man has made has gone at
0.023% of light speed, a probe launched in the 70s and it used a gravity sling shot to get to that fraction.

So there is a bit of a breakthrough needed to get to that house across the street. It's like being on an island with canoe technology and realizing the next nearest island is 17 million kilometers of ocean distant. At that point one might consider taking better care of the island you are on. But no. Keep poisoning the water, cutting down the palm trees and adding more people..

While your comments about the necessity of massive technological breakthrough are true, your general point misses the forest for the trees.

We don't need to go to another planet in order to solve the problems that face our planet today. Space exploration and solving the problems that face our planet are not at odds with each other, though. We can do both.

Of course, traveling to a planet 40 light-years away isn't something that will happen in our lifetimes. However, it is something that is entirely feasible for our descendants to do one day. 40 light years is nothing. While the amount of energy necessary to cross that distance is enormous, it is also less than the amount of energy our sun produces every second.

By the time we get to the point where we will be traveling to other stars, we will also have already found solutions to pollution and made over-population an antiquated concept (since humanity will have moved into space, where there is unlimited room to build a limitless number of cities and farms).

Your concerns about the impossibility of the task and the necessity to focus on other issues are somewhat short-sighted. Just because we can't go to visit this planet today doesn't mean it will never happen. We are not relying on traveling there to solve pressing problems either.
 

lazygecko

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On a related note, the Trappist-1 planets are likely barren worlds since it was recently discovered that the star has constant massive solar flare eruptions, which strips away any potential atmospheres they could have had.
 
While your comments about the necessity of massive technological breakthrough are true, your general point misses the forest for the trees.

We don't need to go to another planet in order to solve the problems that face our planet today. Space exploration and solving the problems that face our planet are not at odds with each other, though. We can do both.

Of course, traveling to a planet 40 light-years away isn't something that will happen in our lifetimes. However, it is something that is entirely feasible for our descendants to do one day. 40 light years is nothing. While the amount of energy necessary to cross that distance is enormous, it is also less than the amount of energy our sun produces every second.

By the time we get to the point where we will be traveling to other stars, we will also have already found solutions to pollution and made over-population an antiquated concept (since humanity will have moved into space, where there is unlimited room to build a limitless number of cities and farms).

Your concerns about the impossibility of the task and the necessity to focus on other issues are somewhat short-sighted. Just because we can't go to visit this planet today doesn't mean it will never happen. We are not relying on traveling there to solve pressing problems either.

I didn't actually say most of what you think I said

My response was to this idea that the planet was "next door". People don't seem to realize how far the earth is from any alternatives that's the only possible reason we as a species are so willing to screw it up.

I am all for looking for other planets and learning about them and sending probes out and working on faster ways to travel! However I think when people think the universe is full of worlds with water including ones "in our back yard"' it is misleading.

Because if you really grasp just how far we are from reaching anything else it would make working with what we have on earth more important than it currently is.

And for what it's worth I am led to believe that when astronauts went out and looked back at the earth from the moon many came back more conscious of preserving the planet and perhaps less obsessed with finding ways to get off it, if one had to rank the priorities I mean. You can do both but one is more of a vanity project the other is life and death.
 

Afrikan

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Get ready. Next year we'll have TESS hunting for exoplanets in better ways than Kepler or any other telescope. Shit's about to get real. Thousands more will be found.

OT: this is awesome!

I'm speaking out of my arse... but the more we find... if there was anyway to constantly send a signal to them (be it flashing something, don't ask me how) then eventually we might come across a WAAAAY more advanced species....who could easily pick it up, and maybe travel to us in no time.

Then hopefully they are nice (and Trump is not a representative anymore) and they teach us their tech for quick travel.

For now, you would have to think that species from another planet would be humanoid, until proven differently.
 

fastmower

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While your comments about the necessity of massive technological breakthrough are true, your general point misses the forest for the trees.

We don't need to go to another planet in order to solve the problems that face our planet today. Space exploration and solving the problems that face our planet are not at odds with each other, though. We can do both.

Of course, traveling to a planet 40 light-years away isn't something that will happen in our lifetimes. However, it is something that is entirely feasible for our descendants to do one day. 40 light years is nothing. While the amount of energy necessary to cross that distance is enormous, it is also less than the amount of energy our sun produces every second.

By the time we get to the point where we will be traveling to other stars, we will also have already found solutions to pollution and made over-population an antiquated concept (since humanity will have moved into space, where there is unlimited room to build a limitless number of cities and farms).

Your concerns about the impossibility of the task and the necessity to focus on other issues are somewhat short-sighted. Just because we can't go to visit this planet today doesn't mean it will never happen. We are not relying on traveling there to solve pressing problems either.
Humans will destroy themselves before any of this happens. Just watch.
 

Xe4

Banned
Once that bigass new space telescope starts spotting co2 and o2 and h2o we're going to have to redo the drake equation. 2018 right?
You're thinking of the JWST, and while it's going to help quite a bit of sensing exoplanetary atmospheres, it won't be able to help with planets in the habitable zone.

It will be able to detect atmospheric components of super Earth's close to their sun, but not Earth sized planets (or even super Earth's) farther out in the habitable zone.

To give an analogy, it would be the equivalent of not only being able to detecting a fly in front of a spotlight from a mile away, but also being able to spectrascopically analyze it. Not an easy feat.

And yet you could circumnavigate the entire observable universe within a lifetime travelling close to the speed of light.

Not quite. Actually the vast, vast, vast majority of the universe is actually moving away from us faster than the speed of light. We could go quite far going say .999999 c, but would not be able to even get to the "edge" of our observable universe, much less circumnavigate it.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
You're thinking of the JWST, and while it's going to help quite a bit of sensing exoplanetary atmospheres, it won't be able to help with planets in the habitable zone.

It will be able to detect atmospheric components of super Earth's close to their sun, but not Earth sized planets (or even super Earth's) farther out in the habitable zone.

To give an analogy, it would be the equivalent of not only being able to detecting a fly in front of a spotlight, but also being able to spectrascopically analyze it. Not an easy feat.



Not quite. Actually the vast, vast, vast majority of the universe is actually moving away from us faster than the speed of light. We could go quite far going say 99.9999 c, but would not be able to even get to the "edge" of our observable universe, much less circumnavigate it.

Thanks for ruining literally everything
 

Xe4

Banned
I'm speaking out of my arse... but the more we find... if there was anyway to constantly send a signal to them (be it flashing something, don't ask me how) then eventually we might come across a WAAAAY more advanced species....who could easily pick it up, and maybe travel to us in no time.

Then hopefully they are nice (and Trump is not a representative anymore) and they teach us their tech for quick travel.

For now, you would have to think that species from another planet would be humanoid, until proven differently.

We've actually done this quite a bit.

It's honestly a bad fucking idea. The chance that any aliens receiving it would be predatory in nature is probably low, but it's not something I'd wager the future of humanity on.

Thanks for ruining literally everything

It's what I do : )
 

SkyOdin

Member
Not quite. Actually the vast, vast, vast majority of the universe is actually moving away from us faster than the speed of light. We could go quite far going say 99.9999 c, but would not be able to even get to the "edge" of our observable universe, much less circumnavigate it.

That isn't true. It isn't possible for something to move faster than the speed of light away from us. The speed of light is the limit of all movement for all frames of reference. Moving at the speed of light will let you catch anything, no matter what direction it is going or how fast it is going, given enough time.

If what you said was true, we couldn't even see the stuff out there in space. However, we can observe it, so therefore light from those distant galaxies is reaching us.

The reason we have a limit to how far we can see the universe is due to a different phenomenon. In short, what we see is the past. When we look at something 4 million light-years away, we see it as it was 4 million years ago. Eventually, we look out far enough in the past that it dates to the early era where space itself was opaque, blocking our sight.
 

Woorloog

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That isn't true. It isn't possible for something to move faster than the speed of light away from us.

Actually it is, sorta. Because space itself expands at ever increasing speed, the universe eventually will have a "horizon" from our perspective. Though currently that is not an issue, but rather the "opaqueness" in the past as you note.
 
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