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Dilbert

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I had debated for a long time about sharing this with the forum, but given how other people share some fairly personal stuff -- and since people probably know enough small bits of information about me anyway -- I thought I'd pass this on.

A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to support the United States Air Force during combat operations...as a civilian. One of their key new intelligence systems, an unmanned air vehicle (UAV) called Global Hawk, was rushed into service in Operation Enduring Freedom because its capabilities were urgently needed in Afghanistan. (My company builds the imaging systems which are carried on board -- the whole reason it's in the air in the first place.) However, since it was still in what was basically a prototype phase, a lot of civilians were needed to operate and maintain the system. In my case, I was picked to go because I had some parallel experience which enabled me to quickly learn how to operate the Global Hawk sensors.

The system was incredibly successful in OEF. It proved to be far more flexible than some other Air Force assets, which enabled commanders to do some new and interesting things. Because of that success, the system was again called into action in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and I was asked to go back out to the field -- but this time, in addition to taking a lot of the pictures myself, I was also asked to teach some Air Force personnel how to do the job I had learned (and helped define) in OEF. When OIF was declared over, the statistics tracking what Global Hawk had accomplished were staggering. Our single aircraft had identified 55% of the time-critical targets identified by commanders, located massive amounts of surface-to-air missile systems and components, and provided intelligence which led to the destruction of more than 300 tanks -- 38% of the known Iraqi force.

As pieces of the story were declassified in the subsequent months, a writer from Air and Space Smithsonian Magazine became interested in the story and arranged for a series of interviews with the Air Force and contractor teams which made the Global Hawk success happen. That story is in this month's (January 2005) Air & Space -- it should be on newsstands now. (There is a short blurb online, but the eight-page article is only available in print.) As much as the writer tried to focus on the human aspects of the story, the real appeal is the description of the technology. Global Hawk can do some pretty amazing stuff, and the brilliance of the people at my company who designed the sensors and control software blew me away every day.

I suppose I need to add a few disclaimers:

1) The blurb makes it sound like I was physically in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is not true. The system is actually controlled via satellite, so the "flight crew" can literally be located anywhere in the world which makes sense. The full article discusses this point, but since I've already gotten some questions from other friends, I should say that up front.

2) I think I get way too MUCH credit in the story. The author was looking for an angle, and chose to follow "my story" through the two deployments. Although it's flattering, I was part of a MUCH larger team, all of whom were required to make things work. There were people with the plane doing the physical maintenance of the sensor system...and they were in a far less hospitable environment. My officemate, who has actually spent more time in the field running the system than anyone, was team lead on both deployments, but he was unavailable for both interviews. (I fought pretty hard to get a team photo in the magazine...I'm glad that they agreed!) Of course, the development team who CREATED the system over many years are mentioned only by implication.

3) Although I shouldn't have to say this kind of thing, we are living in strange times...so here goes. The word "patriotism" is mentioned several times in the article, and yes, patriotism was certainly one of my motivations for going. However, things were not quite that simple. I was proud that my job helped keep hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of our troops safe, especially our ground troops. I was proud to represent my company in the best way I could to our ultimate customer -- the warfighter -- and I hope that they came away feeling that we brought our best technology, people, and effort to the table to make them succeed. I was proud to represent MYSELF -- it was a challenge to learn something new and critical in a short period of time, and to constantly adapt to make it better.

With all that being said, none of that implies that I agree with the decisions of our President to send our troops to war. Without turning this into a political lecture, I felt entirely different about supporting OEF than I did in supporting OIF. Interestingly enough, there was a wide range of opinions about OIF among the military and civilian people on the team. Regardless of personal feelings, we had a job to do, and we did it well. The "patriotism" I believe in is big enough to allow -- no, DEMAND -- criticism of our leaders when things are going the wrong way.

Anyway, this has gotten a bit long, so I'll wrap this up. If you're interested by any of this, please pick up the article -- I think you'll enjoy it. If you want to contact me with comments, I'd like to hear what you think, but I probably won't be able to answer questions related to operations or technology beyond what's already in the article.

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nitewulf

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whoa. i'll definitely check it. for my senior project, as part of a team, i helped build and programm an autonomous robot over a period of two semesters.
it was really, really difficult to get the whole thing working correctly.
so everytime i see the autonomous or controlled drone spy planes, military robots, space exploration robots i keep thinking how incredibly difficult it is to design and program such devices. the control systems definitely blow my mind.
 

Gorey

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That's awesome, jinx. Will have to find and read that. UAVs are interesting; it seems like the concept and application is gaining steam very quickly.
 

Manics

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Takes guts to go public with this jinx. Have you ever struggled with any moral issues in terms of supporting the war effort? I think it would bother me alot to know that I contributed in such a direct manner to something I don't believe in.
 
well, i'm glad that you at least understood at the time how bogus the whole war was. but i also understand your need to help fellow countrymen no matter the circumstances.
i'll be reading the article for sure. tell me something, are these UAV's still being used in iraq as we speak?

edit: wait a minute, this is just an excuse to get your beautiful mug on a magazine isnt it? this is what you planned all along, to be a male model!!!! damn you you wanna be liberal!!!! ;) :D
 

Dilbert

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Manics said:
Takes guts to go public with this jinx. Have you ever struggled with any moral issues in terms of supporting the war effort? I think it would bother me alot to know that I contributed in such a direct manner to something I don't believe in.
Good question. I guess I have two answers, as strange as that might sound:

1) Do I have any moral issues about my personal involvement? No. The system was going to be used, whether or not I personally chose to get involved. Also, it's an intelligence-gathering system, which is a different kind of thing than, say, a weapons system. The images that we collected were source material for someone else's decisions...which they are responsible for.

2) Do I have any moral issues about working for a defense contractor? That's a far more interesting question. On the one hand, I think that morality is defined in the intention phase, so the means are almost incidental. To give an example: Is working for a handgun manufacturer morally wrong? The gun that can be used to murder an innocent victim is potentially the same gun that can reside in a police officer's holster. I would say that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with making guns...the "wrongness" comes from how the gun is used. Likewise, making defense-related systems is only providing the means to an end...but how they are EMPLOYED is where the moral judgment lies.

On the other hand, there are industries that I simply could not work for, based on my personal views: the tobacco industry comes immediately to mind, but I'm tempted to add, say, the record industry because of their exploitation of perverted copyright laws and political agenda. So, given that I WOULD write off a job for those kinds of situations, why WOULDN'T I object to working in defense? The only answer I can give is that I can still find no contradiction in helping to build immensely powerful systems...while working as a private citizen to elect those who will have the wisdom to use them appropriately, or not use them at all.

When I used to work as a tutor, I often joked that a really good tutor would put himself out of business -- if you did your job well, you would not just give the students the answers, but the skill set to attack and master new material on their own. Nothing would make me happier than for a world in which a "defense sector" was utterly unnecessary.
 
Wow talk about six degress of seperation. As we speak I am going to a training session where we interface the UOC to the Global Hawk for more intellegence gathering this week.
 

Dilbert

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
Wow talk about six degress of seperation. As we speak I am going to a training session where we interface the UOC to the Global Hawk for more intellegence gathering this week.
My advice is to get a REALLY long Ethernet cable. It flies pretty high. ;)
 
-jinx- said:
My advice is to get a REALLY long Ethernet cable. It flies pretty high. ;)


LOLs


I think people would be shocked to know the real "liberal" slant that does exist in the defense industry. I know that there are more people that are politically aligned with me than are with the current leadership.
 
do you work for TRW (or what was)?

the first thing that came to my mind after thinking of Redondo Beach and "defense industry" is TRW.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Woah. My respect meter for -jinx- has just cracked the glass. That's some pretty cool shit.
 

ShadowRed

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Whoa when Tommy Hu$tle announced he was going to go to Iraq to work on intelligence gathering or targeting or whatever he said I thought that he would be working with the Global Hawk, Predetor or some other non disclosed UAV.
 

Dilbert

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Hammy said:
do you work for TRW (or what was)?
Nope.

I'm pretty sure that most major defense contractors -- if not all of them -- have a location in Los Angeles near LAX. The TRW site which was in Redondo Beach was acquired by Northrop Grumman some years ago.
 
This gives me a pretty good idea of the work and projects Jinx does where before I wasn't completely sure.

Jinx, that's really cool. People like you and your team are part of what's going to make our future.
 
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