Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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If only to provide Blastoise Cannons I'd love it.
Also, I still stand by my idea that they should let you port over your New Leaf Villager to use in battle.
My guy looks like Skull Kid, and I wanna smash with him.
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Can we really call it a fiasco now?
All it was a bunch of ignorant/butthurt Mewtwo fans thinking he's out and who've never followed Pokemon.
All the new characters take up 3 spots on the site.
Yeah, I guess it was more of a tantrum.
Dr. Buni
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I'd totally main Venusaur. It was my first favorite Pokémon and I am still very fond of it.
Yeah, but to be fair, people will always find something to complain about. At least we would have three new unique characters (the starters).
Shadow Hog
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wut
Red Arremer
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Uh, wasn't that pic released on Halloween? That miiight have something to do with it too
Yes, absolutely. Which is why this is the daily pic's quote:
Oh lol, didn't know that.
SenorArdilla
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Likewise, it shocks me that there are still people who don't know that Snake is a clone.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
TheLegendOfCap
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Heck, it shocks me that there are quite a few people who think FALCO, is likely to get cut.
Are you serious? Falco is a mainstay now. No way would it be just Fox and Wolf, or just Fox. Are people crazy?
Are you serious? Falco is a mainstay now. No way would it be just Fox and Wolf, or just Fox. Are people crazy?
Honestly I'm glad we've dodged that bulletI'm still sad that this will likely never happen
Do hope we get at least one new Pokémon character. Though Mega Mewtwo & Mega Lucario can sort of count, I want something brand new. Unfortunately, most Kalos Pokémon aren't really set up for a game like this and the ones that are set up for it, are not as iconic to warrant it.
I think Victini is the best choice for a relatively new Pokemon. Also if Mewtwo returns it makes even more sense to choose a smaller Pokemon.
Red Arremer
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Do you really have to ask that?
I mean, you're talking about a fanbase that throws hissy fits over a character returning, and actively tries to come up with arguments to exclude characters (both potential newcomers and veterans).
TheLegendOfCap
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The Lucario negativity was really cringe-worthy.
I get excited about EVERY single character reveal, so to see one get people upset and mad is baffling to me.
Yeah, it really sucks that people believe that, especially considering he's one of the most fun and unique characters in the game that requires some learning (still trying to consistently Wolf Flash cancel...).
I think more casual players will believe he's a clone solely based on his look, specials and Final Smash. Those players probably won't be interested to see the different effects/visuals of each attack when they can just grab that Smart Bomb over there.
Shadow Hog
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They really should change Wolf's Final Smash to something different.
Even if it's functionally the same, at least look like something other than yet another Landmaster.
Even if it's functionally the same, at least look like something other than yet another Landmaster.
Dr. Buni
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Why Victini? What is the appeal of it and why would it be a better choice than Zoroak (who could have some wonderful mechanics with its Illusion ability)?
If not Zoroark, bring Genesect to Smash Bros then.
MillionVolts
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I think this is the best option, too. Sakurai has stated that Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard were chosen so that PT would have a character of each weight class. With the final evos of the Kalos starters, you could have Greninja as the lightweight, Delphox as the medium weight, and Chesnaught as the heavyweight.
I'm not alone! ;_;
Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and Manaphy being rare Poké Ball summons has pretty much cemented Victini's fate. It's the fifth generation equivalent of those legendaries.
MrSaturn99
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Smash 4 really came out at a terrible time for Pokemon reps... 5th Gen had a bunch that could work as fighters and were "mainstream" with movies and all, between Victini, Zoroark, and Genesect. But now those characters are sort of outdated, while 6th Gen didn't really introduce any new Pokemon that are obvious fits. Sylveon and the Starters are the only possibilities I can think of, and none of them stand out to me.
There's the Mega Evolutions, of course, but... not quite the same.
There's the Mega Evolutions, of course, but... not quite the same.
I feel like there's got to be a Pokémon newcomer, though. It's far too popular to skip over. Melee added Mewtwo and Pichu, and Brawl introduced Pokémon Trainer and Lucario.
The following mainline Pokémon games have been released since Brawl:
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver
Pokémon Black & White
Pokémon Black 2 & White 2
Pokémon X & Y
While I'm near certain Mewtwo will be coming back, it isn't a newcomer.
The following mainline Pokémon games have been released since Brawl:
Pokémon Platinum
Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver
Pokémon Black & White
Pokémon Black 2 & White 2
Pokémon X & Y
While I'm near certain Mewtwo will be coming back, it isn't a newcomer.
MrSaturn99
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Pretty much how I feel. It's obvious there will be a newcomer, but I have no idea who it would be. Hmm...
Dr. Buni
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There isn't a new Pokémon as popular as Lucario and Mewtwo from the post-Brawl games, that could fit in as a playable character in Smash, though. I mean, things like Stunfisk are popular in Japan, apparently, but how would it fight? lol. Zoroark, Genesect, etc are cool, but not really that popular. Victini isn't even a contender imo. They could put Gardevoir in the game, it is very popular (although its popularity mainly comes from creepy fanart) and even though it is a Gen III Pokémon, it got a Mega Evolution and was Diantha's main Pokémon in X&Y. Besides Gardevoir, a new Pokémon trainer is the only likely newcomer I can think of.
Greninja is actually heavier than Delphox tho not by much lol.
Figured I'd play around with Brawl and Melee again before I keep saying clones must die. It's been a long time so my memories probably don't do some characters justice.
After playing, my opinions are:
Melee clones: Identical moves, just speed/damage/hit box tuning.
Mario & Dr. Mario, Fox & Falco, Pikachu & Pichu, Marth & Roy, Link & Young Link
Captain Falcon & Ganondorf: exception here, Ganon has different style A moves.
Ganondorf was really the only one who felt different enough to justify sticking around. Also he's iconic.
Brawl "clones": well, they weren't as similar as I remembered for the most part.
Link & Toon Link: Felt too similar, irony is that Toon Link is the only "clone" from Brawl who is already confirmed. I love Wind Waker and the art style, but mechanically Toon Link is a hard character to justify keeping. Guess Sakurai felt otherwise.
Marth & Ike: Felt way different, for some reason I remembered Ike being as similar as Roy was to Marth.
Ness & Lucas: Some shared B moves, otherwise different. Play quite differently. I'd be sad to see Lucas go.
Fox & Falco & Wolf: Much more differences than the Melee duo, I didn't remember them being this different. Not Mario & Luigi different, but somewhere between that and Link & Toon Link. Seems like the question I am left to ask is "why have 3 Star Fox characters?"
Lucario and Mewtwo are pretty similar, but since Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl it doesn't matter. It would seem odd to bring back Mewtwo since Lucario was already confirmed.
I wish they'd add a Dr. Mario costume for Mario.
After playing, my opinions are:
Melee clones: Identical moves, just speed/damage/hit box tuning.
Mario & Dr. Mario, Fox & Falco, Pikachu & Pichu, Marth & Roy, Link & Young Link
Captain Falcon & Ganondorf: exception here, Ganon has different style A moves.
Ganondorf was really the only one who felt different enough to justify sticking around. Also he's iconic.
Brawl "clones": well, they weren't as similar as I remembered for the most part.
Link & Toon Link: Felt too similar, irony is that Toon Link is the only "clone" from Brawl who is already confirmed. I love Wind Waker and the art style, but mechanically Toon Link is a hard character to justify keeping. Guess Sakurai felt otherwise.
Marth & Ike: Felt way different, for some reason I remembered Ike being as similar as Roy was to Marth.
Ness & Lucas: Some shared B moves, otherwise different. Play quite differently. I'd be sad to see Lucas go.
Fox & Falco & Wolf: Much more differences than the Melee duo, I didn't remember them being this different. Not Mario & Luigi different, but somewhere between that and Link & Toon Link. Seems like the question I am left to ask is "why have 3 Star Fox characters?"
Lucario and Mewtwo are pretty similar, but since Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl it doesn't matter. It would seem odd to bring back Mewtwo since Lucario was already confirmed.
I wish they'd add a Dr. Mario costume for Mario.
The only realistic possibilities I can think of are:
Zoroark - It's the mascot of the fifth generation, but apparently it isn't very popular. It had its own movie and was the first Black/White Pokémon revealed -- nobody can take that away from it. I also trust Sakurai to come up with something clever involving the Illusion ability.
Plusle & Minun - If Ruby/Sapphire remakes are in the works for 3DS, Game Freak might have told Sakurai in advance, prompting him to revisit his Plusle & Minun plans for Brawl. This one's a long shot, though. If the remakes aren't being made, then Plusle & Minun stand no chance.
Zoroark - It's the mascot of the fifth generation, but apparently it isn't very popular. It had its own movie and was the first Black/White Pokémon revealed -- nobody can take that away from it. I also trust Sakurai to come up with something clever involving the Illusion ability.
Plusle & Minun - If Ruby/Sapphire remakes are in the works for 3DS, Game Freak might have told Sakurai in advance, prompting him to revisit his Plusle & Minun plans for Brawl. This one's a long shot, though. If the remakes aren't being made, then Plusle & Minun stand no chance.
7 of the 8 Pokémon to be playable in Smash Bros. are bipedal, so I don't think that matters much.
Dr. Buni
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Blaziken would be a bit boring, especially when there is already a Fighting-type Pokémon in Smash, as well as a Fire-type starter (Charizard).
You honestly don't think a new Pokémon Trainer is a realistic possibility?
Just wanted to give my two cents on this one, for me the difference between Roy and Marth from Melee was that Marth's attacks were quicker and easier to combo. They shared basically the same moveset with Roy's being slightly stronger. Ike and Marth on the other hand only really share one similar move (Counter) with the rest of the moves being different enough to justify them not being clones. Also, Ike is much slower than Marth while I don't recall nearly as much of a difference in land speed between Marth and Roy.
Rapture
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Yeah you're right, which is why i dont ever expect him to show up in smash. With Lucario in there i imagine their movesets would be too similar, just swap out aura for fire. Could be a clone possibly.
But his mega evolution is pretty sweet.
It's far too specialized a gimmick -- recycling the idea would diminish the original character. And adding a second Pokémon Trainer means adding three Pokémon newcomers; that's way too much representation. Assuming Jigglypuff and Mewtwo are playable, there aren't going to be 10 characters from a single series.
Uhhh, that would require making another 3-in-1 character which is like 3 times the work. I'm not against the idea of it (as long as the original PT stays) but I'm not sure why you would question him for not thinking it's possible.
Also, hell no to Blaziken if he isn't alongside Mudkip and Grovyle or something. I'm still pissed Sceptile and Marshtomp got robbed of mega forms.
GiantBreadbug
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As for a Pokemon Newcomer:
I think there should (and probably will) be one, but I can't peg down who. 5th gen seems to have the most candidates, but 6th gen is a bit more recent and has a couple good choices. Here are my picks (in order of perceived likelihood):
Zoroark - Would be fun with possible Illusion mechanics, first Pokemon revealed in 5th gen, new type not playable in Smash Bros. Would complete the cycle (Fighting > Psychic > Dark) dynamic between Mewtwo and Lucario. Could have a unique handling style that no playable Pokemon has yet (medium size, quick movement).
Genesect - Well publicized 5th gen legendary, appeared in Mewtwo movie. Again, new playable type (Bug), potential to be heavy projectile user. (IMO) Really cool design/mythos.
Serena - 6th gen trainer, I could see the Pokemon going one of two ways: Chespin, Braixen, Greninja, or Chesnaught, Fennekin, Frogadier. I like the first setup because Chespin is adorable and Greninja would be badass, but I like the latter because you have a heavy/medium/light setup like with Red. Also, another quadruped would be cool with Fennekin, and it'd be fun to design Chesnaught with Spiky Shield as a central mechanic. But either way, I want the evo distribution to differ from Red.
I think there should (and probably will) be one, but I can't peg down who. 5th gen seems to have the most candidates, but 6th gen is a bit more recent and has a couple good choices. Here are my picks (in order of perceived likelihood):
Zoroark - Would be fun with possible Illusion mechanics, first Pokemon revealed in 5th gen, new type not playable in Smash Bros. Would complete the cycle (Fighting > Psychic > Dark) dynamic between Mewtwo and Lucario. Could have a unique handling style that no playable Pokemon has yet (medium size, quick movement).
Genesect - Well publicized 5th gen legendary, appeared in Mewtwo movie. Again, new playable type (Bug), potential to be heavy projectile user. (IMO) Really cool design/mythos.
Serena - 6th gen trainer, I could see the Pokemon going one of two ways: Chespin, Braixen, Greninja, or Chesnaught, Fennekin, Frogadier. I like the first setup because Chespin is adorable and Greninja would be badass, but I like the latter because you have a heavy/medium/light setup like with Red. Also, another quadruped would be cool with Fennekin, and it'd be fun to design Chesnaught with Spiky Shield as a central mechanic. But either way, I want the evo distribution to differ from Red.
Dr. Buni
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Agreed. One of the best looking Mega Evolutions so far.
I see. It is true that a new Pkmn Trainer would require a lot of work, but I don't think recycling the idea would diminish Red in any way.
If I can't strangle people with Greninja's tongue there's no point.
I dislike regular Blaziken but love the Mega form.
I dislike regular Blaziken but love the Mega form.
MillionVolts
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Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem are.
sorry, it just bugs me when people say this as if they completely forget about the mascot legendaries
Red Arremer
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But Wolf's entire base moveset is 100% different. Significantly more so than the moveset between Fox and Falco (in Brawl, let alone Melee). Luigi and Mario share more A-moves than Wolf and Fox/Falco do. And even Wolf's specials are more different from Fox/Falco than Luigi's specials are from Mario's.
Because they share 1 move? ONE?
Gee, I guess these characters are all clones of each other because they share a move - their Neutral aerial is a sex kick:
Diddy Kong
King Dedede
Fox
Jigglypuff
Link
Lucario
Luigi
Mario
Samus
Sheik
Yoshi
Oh hey look, Samus and Link share even more moves than Wolf and Fox do, actually!
GiantBreadbug
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If we get a new playable type, we'll have:
Grass (Ivysaur)
Water (Squirtle)
Fire (Charizard)
Electric (Pikachu)
Flying (Charizard)
Poison (Ivysaur)
Normal (Jigglypuff)
Fairy (Jigglypuff)
Fighting (Lucario)
Steel (Lucario)
Psychic (Mewtwo)
And we'd only be missing:
Bug
Ghost
Rock
Ground
Ice
Dark
Dragon
Playable Ghost pls Sakurai. Such an awesome type with so many cool Pokemon.
Grass (Ivysaur)
Water (Squirtle)
Fire (Charizard)
Electric (Pikachu)
Flying (Charizard)
Poison (Ivysaur)
Normal (Jigglypuff)
Fairy (Jigglypuff)
Fighting (Lucario)
Steel (Lucario)
Psychic (Mewtwo)
And we'd only be missing:
Bug
Ghost
Rock
Ground
Ice
Dark
Dragon
Playable Ghost pls Sakurai. Such an awesome type with so many cool Pokemon.
Dr. Buni
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Now that you mention, Gengar would be an amazing addition to SSB4 roster.
Yeah, same here. I vastly prefer Infernape over regular Blaziken. Mega Blaziken though, it is another story.