Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi

Jaeger said:
So what if Alts (that significantly alters their appearance) were a thing in for Wii U/3DS?

What would you like to see? Great way to get characters in, without a full fledged moveset.
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Impa and Hilda for Sheik/Zelda.

Lucina/Owain/Marth

Jotaro Kujo/Jonathan Joestar/Joseph Joestar/Dio Brando/Higashikata Jōsuke over Captain Falcon.

Yukiko/Chie over Zelda/Sheik

Deity Link over Link

Dr. Mario over Mario

Advance Wars, Zone of the Enders and Metal Gear Solid reps.
 
Jaeger said:
So what if Alts (that significantly alters their appearance) were a thing in for Wii U/3DS?

What would you like to see? Great way to get characters in, without a full fledged moveset.
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Alts really need to be a significant part of this Smash. They're such an easy way to add extra fanservice with minimal effort - see Project M, which gets so much mileage from not a whole lot of additional work on their part.

Things like Dr. Mario for Mario, Dr. Luigi/Mr. L for Luigi, Dry Bowser for Bowser, or even Boom!Sonic or SS!Zelda add so much to the experience and add so much fun to the game when all they really require is a little bit of model work and maybe a few extra lines of code to modify things like Mario's fireballs into pills.

I'm not very fond of the idea of making whole new characters alternate costumes, though. It feels like a copout to me - if I was a fan of a character and all they got to be was an alternate costume I would be pretty annoyed. Plus it's a lot of extra effort when compared to a normal alternate costume, necessitating things like additional narrator dialogue and a whole new voice actor. I hope they don't do any of those sorts of things, personally. If it's a different character I'd rather they either take up a separate slot and be a clone or just not get in until they can justify at least that position on the roster.
 
How long has Project M been hackless? I've never tried it because I always thought I had to hack my wii...

This is game-changing (literly)...

Can't wait to try it out with my friends. Thanks SmashGAF!
 
The idea that changes the actual character when changing into an alt costume needs to die.

Dr. Mario is good because he is Mario.
Lucina is bad because Marth is a different character.
Male Wii Fit Trainer works because the character's name is "Wii Fit Trainer".
 
DaBoss said:
Here's the other Sonic GIF:
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I think this small bit really highlights the visual effects they added to SSB4.
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It's Luigi's down smash here that I'm really loving the effect for, with that blue streak. So WHAM ZOW.
 
Dorygrant said:
How long has Project M been hackless? I've never tried it because I always thought I had to hack my wii...

This is game-changing (literly)...

Can't wait to try it out with my friends. Thanks SmashGAF!
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I'm pretty sure it's been that way since the Map Builder exploit was discovered.

C.Olimar788 said:
Alts really need to be a significant part of this Smash. They're such an easy way to add extra fanservice with minimal effort - see Project M, which gets so much mileage from not a whole lot of additional work on their part.

Things like Dr. Mario for Mario, Dr. Luigi/Mr. L for Luigi, Dry Bowser for Bowser, or even Boom!Sonic or SS!Zelda add so much to the experience and add so much fun to the game when all they really require is a little bit of model work and maybe a few extra lines of code to modify things like Mario's fireballs into pills.

I'm not very fond of the idea of making whole new characters alternate costumes, though. It feels like a copout to me - if I was a fan of a character and all they got to be was an alternate costume I would be pretty annoyed. Plus it's a lot of extra effort when compared to a normal alternate costume, necessitating things like additional narrator dialogue and a whole new voice actor. I hope they don't do any of those sorts of things, personally. If it's a different character I'd rather they either take up a separate slot and be a clone or just not get in until they can justify at least that position on the roster.
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This is exactly what my opinion is.
 
PadWarrior said:
As I mentioned earlier what if Tom Nook is an alt for Villager.
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I don't really have anything to add to that.... I guess then he is in? Sorry I'm not trying to be rude I just can't really keep a conversation going off of that.

My feeling about alts is I would like the Project M route where it is keeping the same core character and literally just altering how he looks (love that ocarina of time link alt) but I agree, it would be frustrating to have seperate characters literally just be alternate skins over the top of current characters. Either make then assist trophys or collectible trophys or don't include them at all
 
Talking about 3rd parties, I'd love to see Jack Frost from SMT be in the game. His hook? Have all the attacks, grabs, etc... be done by various summoned demons.

Just throwing that out there.

voltronbadA said:
I don't know much about SMT series and haven' ever played one but my friend is seriously obsessed with it so I am familiar with the character Jack Frost. Just how far of a stretch would he be? Does the developer have a pretty good history/strong current ties with Nintendo? Could be an interesting play style from what I know about the series
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Considering that they're crossing over with Fire Emblem, yeah, he has a good shot.
 
I don't know much about SMT series and haven' ever played one but my friend is seriously obsessed with it so I am familiar with the character Jack Frost. Just how far of a stretch would he be? Does the developer have a pretty good history/strong current ties with Nintendo? Could be an interesting play style from what I know about the series
 
voltronbadA said:
I don't know much about SMT series and haven' ever played one but my friend is seriously obsessed with it so I am familiar with the character Jack Frost. Just how far of a stretch would he be? Does the developer have a pretty good history/strong current ties with Nintendo? Could be an interesting play style from what I know about the series
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Atlus is having a collaboration between SMT and FE for Wii U and now they are owned by Sega.
 
For alts i'd like to see
-Mr. L for luigi
-Classic sonic
-Ocarina Link,SS link
-SS zelda
-Dry bowser
-Yarn kirby,Yarn yoshi
-dark samus
-dr.mario,dr.luigi
-smash 64 costumes for original 12
 
C.Olimar788 said:
I'm not very fond of the idea of making whole new characters alternate costumes, though. It feels like a copout to me - if I was a fan of a character and all they got to be was an alternate costume I would be pretty annoyed. Plus it's a lot of extra effort when compared to a normal alternate costume, necessitating things like additional narrator dialogue and a whole new voice actor. I hope they don't do any of those sorts of things, personally. If it's a different character I'd rather they either take up a separate slot and be a clone or just not get in until they can justify at least that position on the roster.
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I sort of dug how they handled John Stewart being playable in Injustice, which is exactly what you're describing here. Really depends on a character-per-character basis.

Metal Sonic (obviously a different entity to regular-ass Sonic) as an alt with his own taunts and voice clips would be really cool and I don't think anybody would've ever realistically expected him playable otherwise, but characters like Dixie, Roy or Mewtwo simply being model-swaps with voice changes for Diddy, Marth and Lucario respectively would really rub me the wrong way. Honestly it would revolve around whether the character who had become an alt was realistically likely to feature in Smash as a separate character.
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alt costumes:

Mario - Doc
Luigi - Dr. Luigi/Mr. L
Peach - Daisy/Mario Kart ponytail outfit
Bowser - Dry Bowser
Donkey Kong - no idea
Diddy Kong - BACKWARDS CAP RAD MOTHERFUCKER
Yoshi - BOSHI/Yoshi Kid from Paper Mario TTYD
Wario - Wario Land traditional costume
Link - Ocarina of Time Link (or TP... or SS... or Zelda II. Actually Zelda II would be great)
Zelda - Skyward Sword Zelda
Sheik - custom design Skyward Sword Sheik DO IT NINTENDO
Ganondorf - OOT future Ganondorf with the long sexy hair
Toon Link - Conductor suit from Spirit Tracks/Pajamas from Wind Waker
Samus - Super Metroid suit for the love of Metroid
ZSS - two piece zero suit
Pit - original design from NES box art
Ice Climbers - no idea lol
R.O.B - Virtual Boy R.O.B from Project M is amazing, but Sakurai isn't that clever. No idea.
Kirby - no idea
Meta Knight - Galacta Knight
Olimar - Alph/Brittany/Charlie
Fox - Star Fox 64 Fox
Falco - Star Fox 64 Falco
Wolf - Star Fox 64 Wolf (wow such clones all have the same alt costumes jesus)
Captain Falcon - Captain America
Pikachu - Pichu/Raichu
Pokemon Trainer - Blue/Green
Lucario - Mega Lucario
Jigglypuff - Wigglytuff
Mewtwo - Mega Mewtwo/Movie 1 armor
Marth - Melee/classic design Marth
Ike - Brawl/classic design Ike (assuming his FE:A design is the standard they use)
Roy - Melee/classic design Roy (assuming his FE:A design is the standard they use)
Ness - Pajamas
Lucas - no clue, need to play Mother 3
Game and Watch - no idea
Snake - Big Boss/Old Snake/LIQUID
Sonic - Classic Sonic
Megaman - Protoman
Rosalina - Mario Kart ponytail costume/3D World cat suit
Villager - female villager
Wii Fit Trainer - Male Trainer

I'm sure I'm missing some obvious costumes...
 
The only thing about Alt-character costumes if they're in for more characters, is that I hope they will get their own "Title" and Voice Over.

Like a Dr. Mario alt for Mario would say "winner is DR. MARIO" if player won.
 
Seems like Donkey Kong's alternate could just be him wearing Funky's clothes, since they're basically the same body shape sort of.

Or Eddie the Mean Yeti.
 
I would love a shadow alt for sonic. That would be so awesome. It would probably be hard to do his hover shoes though if he wasn't his own character right?
 
It doesn't make any sense for Kirby to look like the Villager who isn't in the game. He will have Villager hair without the face (just like Lucas).
 
Anth0ny said:
alt costumes:

Fucking long-ass list.

I'm sure I'm missing some obvious costumes...
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Eh, Anth0ny, on top of my already stated dislike for representing completely separate characters via alt-costumes, I kinda feel that OoT & SF64 alts would be too easily mixed up with the normal versions of the characters during a game. Maybe instead, we give Fox & co their Assult duds, and Link the Rupee-eating armor from TP.
 
Astrosanity said:
I sort of dug how they handled John Stewart being playable in Injustice, which is exactly what you're describing here. Really depends on a character-per-character basis.

Metal Sonic (obviously a different entity to regular-ass Sonic) as an alt with his own taunts and voice clips would be really cool and I don't think anybody would've ever realistically expected him playable otherwise, but characters like Dixie, Roy or Mewtwo simply being model-swaps with voice changes for Diddy, Marth and Lucario respectively would really rub me the wrong way. Honestly it would revolve around whether the character who had become an alt was realistically likely to feature in Smash as a separate character.
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That's a really good point, and I think a case like John Stewart is really comparable to Wii Fit Trainer. They're different character in a lot of ways, but they're both Green Lanturns, so it makes sense for them to be on that funny line between making a new clone and being an alternate costume, with little touches like new voice clips and such.

I can't think of a lot of characters that would fit that bill outside of WFT and Villager, though. Pokemon Trainers from different generations and with different genders would make sense, of course. Metal Sonic and Lucina are in a similar boat in my eye of being kinda on that verge - they're definitely different characters but would make some sense as alternates, but on the other hand it wouldn't necessarily be tremendously true to their characters or very good to their fans...

Watch Da Birdie said:
Seems like Donkey Kong's alternate could just be him wearing Funky's clothes, since they're basically the same body shape sort of.

Or Eddie the Mean Yeti.
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I like PM's redesign of him as a boxer with the boxing gloves he uses in Mario Baseball. They could also pull one of his designs from Mario Party 2. Or maybe even Donkey Kong Jr., who would fairly easily fit into the same category mentioned above with Lucina and Metal Sonic - with possibly a little more validity of seeing him as the same character if you believe Rare's old claims.

Mista Koo said:
It doesn't make any sense for Kirby to look like the Villager who isn't in the game. He will have Villager hair without the face (just like Lucas).
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There's precedent for this: Zelda's Kirby hat is of her young form rather than of her adult form seen in Smash Bros.

Pop-O-Matic said:
Eh, Anth0ny, on top of my already stated dislike for representing completely separate characters via alt-costumes, I kinda feel that OoT & SF64 alts would be too easily mixed up with the normal versions of the characters during a game. Maybe instead, we give Fox & co their Assult duds, and Link the Rupee-eating armor from TP.
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OoT!Link I can see being a possible issue considering SSB4's brighter color palette, but Fox and company look very different between SF64 and Smash Bros. as shown fairly well in PM.
 
If they ever want to do alternate character costumes complete with different voices (and they should anyway in future installments), I'd like to see:

Ms. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
Classic Sonic
Dr. Mario/Luigi
Female Villager
Dry Bowser
Dark Samus
Male Wii Fit Trainer (that one pic shown was so long ago, dammit)
Daisy (Peach)
Birdo (Yoshi)
Lucina (Marth)
Dedenne (Pikachu) Your Gen 6 Pokemon rep lol
Sheik (Impa) Not the other way around!
 
Man this week can go so many ways now that tropical freeze will be out soon, who knows what sakurai will do, him revealing diddy kong would be the safest bet, but he could pull a pokemon and have like a assist trophy or something. Or a ND could be announced soon and dixie kong could be the newcomer(tho im still hoping palutena is the next newcomer revealed)
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
Eh, Anth0ny, on top of my already stated dislike for representing completely separate characters via alt-costumes, I kinda feel that OoT & SF64 alts would be too easily mixed up with the normal versions of the characters during a game. Maybe instead, we give Fox & co their Assult duds, and Link the Rupee-eating armor from TP.
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I actually wouldn't mind this, probably my favorite armor for Link in the series
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
I thought this was the new pic at first and got excited. :(

By the way, when Little Mac's revealed, the reveal video really needs to include Donkey Kong fighting him.
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Likewise, there is GOING to be a Villager vs. Little Mac boxing glove picture.

Just like a Balloon Fighter vs. Villager balloon fight when B.F. is revealed!!
:'(
 
Loco4Coco said:
Didn't they always have a Daisy alt for Peach?
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Sorta, but it never was more than just a recolor (Melee's had different earrings and such, but Brawl's was literally just a palette swap).
I'd rather have an alt that actually uses Daisy's face, as well as replace the heart particles from Peach's moves with flowers (if not even give her Daisy's voice).
 
For some reason that Project M Sonic/DK shot made me want to do a Sonic Brawl/WiiU comparison:

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Lookin pretty smooth!
 
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