Yes, Saki must be in.
As much as I would like this to happen (since I made it), it's not happening.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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Can you guys imagine how fun 4-player battles will be where everyone is Little Mac?
No air game to worry about. Just everyone rolling around punching each other.
Speaking of which, I wonder what happens if two Little Macs use a super armor attack on each other at the exact same time...
No air game to worry about. Just everyone rolling around punching each other.
Speaking of which, I wonder what happens if two Little Macs use a super armor attack on each other at the exact same time...
I already explained in the past how IMO the whole Ridley as an assist thing is a big troll by Sakurai, but I can understand people thinking about it in a different way. The bolded though, what are you basing that idea on exactly?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
That's some very big reaching, sorry. I don't think those things align quite the way you think they do.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm officially rooting for Pidgeot the bird god who rains destruction from above for our true god Helix for Smash as of this post
Man, if Nintendo wanted to make some easy $$$$$$:
- Add Takamaru to Super Smash Bros.
- Prepare "Mysterious Murasame Castle" for global release (already happening -- it was rated by the Australian review board)
- Show newcomer trailer for Takamaru in a Nintendo Direct
- After the trailer, Iwata says: "Curious about Takamaru? Check out his game, now available for the first time in English on the Virtual Console."
I'd buy it. Heck, I downloaded Mega Man 2 on 3DS after MM was revealed at E3.
- Add Takamaru to Super Smash Bros.
- Prepare "Mysterious Murasame Castle" for global release (already happening -- it was rated by the Australian review board)
- Show newcomer trailer for Takamaru in a Nintendo Direct
- After the trailer, Iwata says: "Curious about Takamaru? Check out his game, now available for the first time in English on the Virtual Console."
I'd buy it. Heck, I downloaded Mega Man 2 on 3DS after MM was revealed at E3.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Psst.
Dillon could be another contemporary character, ya know.
Dillon could be another contemporary character, ya know.
I want to see two OHKO punches collide.
Choppasmith
Member
Yeah me too. I'm still gunning for him. Even though I have no experience with the character or the game, I.just live the idea of a playable samurai in Smash.
Speaking of old games in the VC, I really need to try out Punch Out sometime. I'm probably the only veteran Nintendo fan who hasn't played it. I had Pro Wrestling. THAT was my jam. I wonder if the boxing ring stage will use any material from that game. I hope so.
If we can have skintight jumpsuit over Snake's fine and shapely ass, I think we can handle a shirtless little mac.
RomanceDawn
Member
You aren't wrong. Only us super sleuths can see the truth. Not entirely joking either.
It's painfully obvious by now that Sakurai enjoys toying with the expectations of his fans. He's a silly guy, who is a gamer at heart and knows how our minds process all of this info. Even before Miiverse I bet he had scouts on forums from all over giving him the scoop on all of our too big arguments, tripping hate, crap online, etc.
I am almost entirely convinced he didn't outright name Ridley and worded his possible appearance in such a vague way because he wanted people to interpret it many different ways and to keep us speculating . Then the 3rd or 4th Pyrosphere pic we get afterward Sakurai talks about how huge a back ground hole is. It's just very suspicious is all.
If Ridley makes it, I would love for an interviewer anywhere to ask about Ridley's inclusion being somewhat of a controversy among fans to hear his thoughts on the subject.
Troubled Bat
Member
Considering getting a 2DS for Smash 3DS, my OG 3DS will get annoying to hold without a grip and the hinges are already loose and annoying. A no-hinge version honestly sounds appealing because I don't really carry it around all that much and the hinges have always been the weakest part, plus it sounds more ergonomic. Only rub is no Pro stick but I imagine the 3DS game will be mostly casual matches anyway.
And I'll believe with you. As leroiyd said, they're the best representation of the Wii U/3DS era so far, & it helps that their source game is hype as hell.
Totally agree. Also since we're on the subject, are you that guy from AP, who kept a Ridley avatar for years? I guessed as much from your name and avatar.
From what I've seen, on one hand Smash fans speculate too much around what Sakurai says and too little around what he actually DOES, especially when it's been proven he likes to troll and that what he says isn't gonna be true forever or at all. On the other hand, part of the speculation is based on completely baseless assumptions and arbitrary assertions, devoid of any logical basis.
He said Ridley's big. Yet Olimar has been made bigger to make the cut; it's mindboggling how many are fixated with this statement. He didn't even say he would never get in, while he did say Villager wouldn't work: guess what? Now Villager's working just fine. Words don't matter, things change.
Searching a pattern in roster additions may be useful, but is not hard proof. There are many things that could change Sakurai's modus operandi during the development of the game, even if he really folowed a pattern. Talking about being popular only in the west, or only in the east, being too retro or too new, being from an obscure series or a series with low sales. None of those things have stopped Sakurai thus far, IMO it's just that we rationalize each addition, creating certain patterns ourselves.
I have a sort of general question for people who want Chrom in the roster without the team up mechanic (what I'll endearingly refer to as vanilla Chrom). Why?
I'm curious and feel like maybe I'm missing out or not looking beyond the givens (another blue haired swordsman lord) enough. Mind you, I'm not attacking you for your choice, just trying to get some perspective.
I'm curious and feel like maybe I'm missing out or not looking beyond the givens (another blue haired swordsman lord) enough. Mind you, I'm not attacking you for your choice, just trying to get some perspective.
Masked Man
I said wow
Now that Little Mac has been revealed, my hype list would be something like:
1) Masked Man
2) Palutena
3) Duck Hunt Dog
4) Sukapon
5) Takamaru
Honestly, I don't see either of those two getting revealed before the game's release. Knowing Sakurai, he's going to milk the "omg leak!?" and "omg stage hazard!?" hype for as long as possible.
That said, Mii and Pac-Man will undoubtedly be shown in subsequent Nintendo Directs, and I can potentially see Impa getting unveiled before release if she is going to replace Sheik.
Wow, that sounds awesome. Let's hope they actually go through with it--and give Luigi his Poltergust while they're at it!
Oh my god. This roster is perfect. I love you. <3
1) Masked Man
2) Palutena
3) Duck Hunt Dog
4) Sukapon
5) Takamaru
Honestly, I don't see either of those two getting revealed before the game's release. Knowing Sakurai, he's going to milk the "omg leak!?" and "omg stage hazard!?" hype for as long as possible.
That said, Mii and Pac-Man will undoubtedly be shown in subsequent Nintendo Directs, and I can potentially see Impa getting unveiled before release if she is going to replace Sheik.
Wow, that sounds awesome. Let's hope they actually go through with it--and give Luigi his Poltergust while they're at it!
As much as I would like this to happen (since I made it), it's not happening.
Oh my god. This roster is perfect. I love you. <3
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
As much as I would like this to happen (since I made it), it's not happening.
The Roster is fantastic. You are right, it's not happening at all since Toon Link isn't there. I'm not sure if it was intentional or not.
The bar's not exactly set very high.
Also, due to the timing, Smash Bros. tends to focus on the previous gen more than the current one. Brawl's most significant content came from the GameCube era -- the most recent IP to get a character was Pikmin. SSB4's focus will be the Wii. Rosalina and Wii Fit Trainer have already been confirmed, Mii is likely, Samus has her Other M design, Little Mac has his Punch-Out!! Wii design, and so on.
Immaculate
Banned
who is masked man
Obviously Kirito with his nerve gear.
Mother 3 Spoilers:
Lucas's Twin Brother Claus after being reconstructed and brainwashed.
Sonic got Windy Hill as a stage, & Olimar got Garden of Hope. Both of those are stages from Wii U games (Wii U/3DS in the case of Sonic Lost World). There's also Xerneas, whose from a 3DS game (though Sakurai could have coordinated with The Pokémon Company ahead of time).The bar's not exactly set very high.
Also, due to the timing, Smash Bros. tends to focus on the previous gen more than the current one. Brawl's most significant content came from the GameCube era -- the most recent IP to get a character was Pikmin. SSB4's focus will be the Wii. Rosalina and Wii Fit Trainer have already been confirmed, Mii is likely, Samus has her Other M design, Little Mac has his Punch-Out!! Wii design, and so on.
As much as I would like this to happen (since I made it), it's not happening.
Replace Masked Man (Sorry Masked Man!) with Kumatora, Chrom with Robin/Anna/Lyn or pair him with Lucina then add Impa and that's the perfect roster. As much as I strongly believe in no cuts, I'd have accepted the Toon Link loss if Link himself got more universal tools from the series and a "Toon" alt.
Why no Chrom? If anything, he's the most likely FE character to get in, more so than Anna or Lyn.....or even Robin.
Immaculate
Banned
ahh that explains it. never played a mother game
you fool ;;
I'm still thinking we'll get a newerish (Black&White/X&Y era) playable Pokemon character. Though maybe it will be a new Mewtwo form like some people were suggesting.
MrSaturn99
Member
It's not that I particularly want him (in all honesty, aside from a KI:U rep and maybe Shulk I can't think of any new characters I really want), but I do expect Chrom to be in. It's definitely debatable as to whether or not the main character of Awakening, but he's constantly been promoted alongside the game (as opposed to Robin/My Unit) and it's the most popular FE in over a decade, if not ever. He and Little Mac were always the most obvious characters, imo.
Since they've been sticking with TP designs, I wouldn't count on it.
"Tends to focus on" -- there are always a couple exceptions with things like stages, but there's never been a new IP character introduced in Smash Bros. from the latest generation. Melee's newest IP was Fire Emblem (1990), and Brawl's was Pikmin (2001). I don't think we're going to see characters from an IP newer than Wii Fit. None of them are notable enough.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Still waiting on a screen shot of the overall menu. Although since the site doesn't function like the old dojo I don't think it's as likely.
Masked Man
I said wow
<<<
(Real answer: One of the main villains of MOTHER3, and an awesome character with a cool, arrhythmic battle theme. Just look at how cool he is!)
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Replace Wonder Red with Toon Link, maybe?
Azure J said:
You will never be forgiven.
Kidding. I love Kumatora, too, and another female rep would definitely be appreciated!
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Ghost of Sub-Zero at a Starbucks had a great idea
Ghost of Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:Even though there's no way in hell it's happening, I feel like Sakurai and his team could competently bring Pichu back as a veteran / newcomer by re-introducing not one, but two Pichu using a tag-team mechanic like Rosalina & Luma or Ice Climbers. That is, the Pichu Bros.
This isn't without precedent in universe, either - GAME FREAK seems to have caught on to the fact that a standalone Pichu is usually inferior to Pikachu, so they'll usually team the notable ones up in duos to compensate. There are two major Pichu duos in-canon: the Pichu Brothers (or Pichu Bros.), which first appeared in Pikachu & Pichu, the short attached to the third film.
Much more recently, there was an unnamed team-up between two Pichu: the Spiky-Eared Pichu ("Notched-Ear Pichu" in Japan), and the Pikachu-colored Pichu, which is a shiny Pichu. It's an event taking place in HGSS's Ilex Forest where if you bring the Pikachu-colored Pichu to Celebi's shrine (the shiny Pichu obtained through wi-fi distribution), the Spiky-Eared Pichu would join your party.
Pichu Bros. (the SSB4 variant) would be a composite of these two team-ups: one Pichu would be a shiny and be slightly stockier, nicknamed "Big" (after the movie 3 one). The other would basically be the Spiky-eared Pichu in design and be a little more dainty-looking, nicknamed "Notch" after the Japanese name. Big is a male and Notch is a female, which stays true to the genders HGSS distributes them in. For the sake of an easy name, it's still Bros. despite the male-female thing. "Pichu Couple" doesn't really have the same ring to it.
The dynamic here in contrast to the other duos is that there's no seniority or "dominant" Pichu: instead, Big dishes out higher knockback but less percentage infliction while Notch uses electrified versions of Big's (non-Special) attacks, which - while not in possession of as much knockback - deal out higher percentage, at the cost of slightly damaging Pichu Bros., albeit not anywhere near as badly as Melee handled it. This creates a dynamic where Notch starts dishing out damage, and Big can finish the job with higher-knockback attacks. Specials remain the same regardless of who "leads," as they utilize both characters. Additionally, in contrast to the other two duos, if one Pichu gets knocked out, the other can continue fighting indefinitely, unlike the Ice Climbers. That being said, the other Pichu will not respawn until both Bros. are KO'd.
Similar to Mega Man, rather than restrict Pichu to four real "moves" via Specials as is the case with Pikachu, Pichu Bros. utilizes a variety of attacks based on the games - Pichu has received a surprisingly high number of special / signature moves throughout Pokemon's history. As for its moveset:
Neutral B
Both Pichu use Reversal, a counter of sorts. Big stays floored, swinging Notch around as the two build up speed and momentum. This deals basic physical damage, with the amount of hits increasing the longer the move is held down. If attacked during Reversal, Notch latches on to the assailant and electrocutes them before hopping off and going back to Big's side. If Reversal completes its "charge" animation, Big will throw Notch off into the distance, which can be extremely effective as a recovery move. The throw has a consistent arc that can be changed depending on controller input, similar to Yoshi's egg tosses.
Side B
Big uses Wild Charge, a weaker variant of Volt Tackle in the games. In Smash, Wild Charge would work like a hybrid of Pikachu's Skull Bash and Sonic's Side B, functioning as a quick horizontal movement option with on-the-dime turning. It can also be charged. During the attack, Notch will ride on Big's back, but if charged, Notch will use Swagger (a move that sharply raises the target's Attack, but confuses them) on Big, increasing the damage output and move's range at the cost of not being able to turn the attack around. Swagger, for the sake of convenient animation, would just be Notch striking silly body-building poses while Big gets covered in RSE-styled buff filters.
Up B
The upward special uses a variation of Double Team taking a few liberties with the game and anime usages. Pichu Bros. send out a veritable fountain of doppelgangers to propel themselves upwards in a very floaty fashion similar to the air currents in the Subspace Emissary; the Double Team clones cannot inflict damage and fade into nothingness fairly quickly after their use, but they can push players away slightly like Mario's FLUDD. While it renders the Bros. helpless afterward, it's entirely possible to screw with enemy aerial game by pushing them well beyond their recovery ranges.
It's probably worth noting that there's a slight kink to their recovery method with regards to edge game: because of how small they are, both Pichu Bros. can hold on to a single ledge concurrently, though two Pichu from enemy Bros. players can't share a ledge. If it's a reasonable distance away and one Pichu manages to reach the ledge, the unsuccessful one can use a simplistic "Thunder Tether" (let's just say it's Thunder Wave) to gently float to their teammate, though the Bros. don't actually have a tether recovery available. If both successfully reach a ledge, they also have cute little animations getting up off the ledge, where Big would get up first and pull the physically weaker Notch onto the stage, for example.
Down B
Pichu Bros. use Volt Switch! While it's not in the traditional trainer-controlled sense, the down special switches who "leads," with the differences between the aforementioned attack differences Big and Notch have. It deals minor damage to the Bros., being an electric attack, as well as for balancing reasons - Volt Switching is meant to be a carefully-guided action, not something for constant use. In the air, it can also be used to "round up" the Bros. similar to Olimar's whistle.
Grabs
I won't go into detail on every single pummel and tilt, but the tag-team nature of the character justifies the grabs a little more easily. Notch stuns the enemy character with Thunder Wave, while Big hops on to the head / torso of the opponent and uses Doubleslap.
The Bros. have some very minor magnetokinetic abilities such as the aforementioned "Thunder Tether" for the sake of spicing up gameplay compared to the very vanilla style of Pikachu. If it's any consolation, Spiky-eared Pichu does come equipped with a Zap Plate in-game, which juices up the power of electric attacks. This could even show up in taunts, where the Bros. pull out their respective items: the Pikachu-colored Pichu holds an Everstone in-game, which could double as a backhanded taunt to Pikachu for letting himself evolve.
You're probably wondering (if the wall of text didn't already make you forget), though: what does Down Special do if you can fight as a single Pichu indefinitely? Well, both Pichu just so happen to have some very Smash-friendly signature moves in their HGSS versions. Notch has access to Pain Split, which in-game takes the sum total of the user and target's HP values, and distributes them evenly among both players. It'd work like a mix between that one move in Super Metroid's finale and Diddy's facehugger attack, where Notch latches on to the enemy assailant and rapidly evens out their percentages until knocked off. This also compliments Notch's playstyle on an individual level, allowing for her self-harming attacks to actually become an asset against enemy players. On the other hand, Big has access to Endeavor, a move that reduces the enemy's HP to that of the user's. In Smash, Endeavor would animate a bit like Mewtwo's disable with a longer windup, where Big took a wide stance before sending a white pulse of electricity out in front of him. If it hits a target, it would automatically up the victim's percentage to that of Big's, and also briefly stun them, allowing for it to become a lethal setup for a finisher.
As for the Newcomer video, as much as I'd love to spend countless hours somehow making an animated equivalent, I enjoy having a life. I have to imagine it'd somehow canonize Pichu from Melee becoming Pikachu in Brawl hence the wall-jumping addition, goggle alternate costume, and Volt Tackle as a Final Smash. Eventually, this would have some kind of "rags to riches success story" effect on Pikachu which would show him doing dumb Pokemon stuff, inspiring some onlooking Pichu. The Pichu Bros. would have a training montage involving ridiculous stuff like Pokemon-Amie or fighting in Pokemon Gyms before eventually getting up-to-par with the rest of the Smash fighters. Cue montage of ridiculous tag-team Pichu shit.
I have no idea what the Final Smash would be, but I have to imagine a Dedede-styled "Big Town Dance" where they summon the Pokemon Clubhouse from the anime short in the background and debris like balloons and runaway tires as well as Houndour, Azumarill, etc. come out of the woodwork to wreck the shit of any enemy fighters.
That being said, if they got their own stage, I feel like the Pokemon Clubhouse could probably be a pretty cool unlockable battlefield.
Couple of interesting tidbits regarding potential inclusion (and their relevance):
- We have two Pichu duos already existing in-canon.
- The voice actor for "Pichu Little" (the smaller of the two anime Pichu Brothers) also voiced Pichu in Melee.
- Pichu as a species has received a ton of signature moves being that they could inevitably be "passed on" to Pikachu, the mascot, while also helping alleviate the whole self-harming angle the Melee utilized.
- Having a male / female pair would not only up the female count (which Sakurai's shooting for), but also add in a new female non-humanoid fighter, and finally bring back representation for Gen II of the series, which is probably going to have some demand in SSB4 thanks to HGSS.
- The Spiky-Eared Pichu actually has its own unique encounter theme, which I took the liberty of mixing and arranging to better fit the currently existing SSB4 music. In contrast to Pikachu "playing it safe" with pretty straightforward anime-styled music, the Pichu Bros. would use upbeat, bubbly synths in addition to some mild background guitars and chiptunes in reference to Generations 2 through 4's musical styles.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Are spoiler characters allowed in Smash?
Also, as others have pointed out, he's the Claus, brother of Lucas from Mother 3
Doubt they'd add him. Mother 3 has yet to be released in the west.
What was the reason for Marth and Roy in Melee? Or better yet Lucas in Brawl?
I don't think he'd make it in, but my point stands.
What are you talking about? Smash bros has always been a mix of past and present. That is a fact. I'm just pointing out that we haven't seen any "present" yet. Reach? What?
Sakurai needs to announce Bomberman , real relic that doesn't get any love.
He has been on every Nintendo console and handheld device , almost had 3ds game but Konami executed Hudson.
It would be like Jumpman VS Megaman VS Pacman VS Bomberman , if Sakurai knew what was up. Could even be first mission in event mode or like last.
Sucks how Capcom will at least let Megaman live on in spirit but Konami probably doesn't even know they own Bomberman in first place to celebrate his 30th anniversary...
Konami really needs to rename themselves Metal Gear Solid Studios.
He has been on every Nintendo console and handheld device , almost had 3ds game but Konami executed Hudson.
It would be like Jumpman VS Megaman VS Pacman VS Bomberman , if Sakurai knew what was up. Could even be first mission in event mode or like last.
Sucks how Capcom will at least let Megaman live on in spirit but Konami probably doesn't even know they own Bomberman in first place to celebrate his 30th anniversary...
Konami really needs to rename themselves Metal Gear Solid Studios.
If we were ever to get another EarthBound rep I hope it'd be Ninten. Just feels "right" to have the main protagonist of all three games in there, even if he looks WAY similar to Ness. Could always use a redesign/update, though.
I imagine we'll stick with two for the foreseeable future, though.
I imagine we'll stick with two for the foreseeable future, though.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Not before kumatora tho