Same. Tired of GoW/Uncharted type games. And from what we saw it didn't really wow me. Really wished they showed more than that linear gameplay segment and that didn't look better than GoW shooting mechanics.
The Order 1886 Gameplay Footage
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Same. Tired of GoW/Uncharted type games. And from what we saw it didn't really wow me. Really wished they showed more than that linear gameplay segment and that didn't look better than GoW shooting mechanics.
The good thing about not playing every single game in a certain genre that come out is that even those that don't do that much new stuff still feel fresh. The last pure cover shooter I played was gears 2 (I played MP3 and Vanquish in the meantime but those don't rely on cover much at all), so even if this turns out to be a run of the mill TPS with next gen graphics and physics I'll still enjoy playing it if it's any good.
I think this game is the perfect example of a game that had a TON of hype, was shown in a early state, and thus did not live up to the ungodly high expectations that may fans were putting on it.
I bet that at E3 when they show a live hands on demo (or maybe even have it on the showfloor) that the frame rate issues and any major complaints that they are hearing about now will not be present.
We can all agree that the graphics look phenomenal, the setting seems unique and interesting, and that they are trying to do something new and interesting with cinematic gameplay.
Is this just a third person shooter? Sure, that looks to be the main focus of the gameplay, but is that a bad thing? What were people expecting the gameplay to be, if not like Gears of War or Uncharted? If anything I prefer to see more third person shooters that take inspiration from those two franchises -- rather than just another first person shooter.
If at E3 they come out with a smooth demo that fixes the lag and framerate issues then we can only hope the mission structure is unique and interesting. I am surprised they decided to let this footage out and not prepare a proper cut, but we shall see how this all plays out. Remember how fragile games can be at this state of development. Even Naughty Dog admitted that prior to E3 for Uncharted 2 that their demo kept crashing. As long as the core vision is solid and inspiring then we should be excited for what the game has yet to show.
I bet that at E3 when they show a live hands on demo (or maybe even have it on the showfloor) that the frame rate issues and any major complaints that they are hearing about now will not be present.
We can all agree that the graphics look phenomenal, the setting seems unique and interesting, and that they are trying to do something new and interesting with cinematic gameplay.
Is this just a third person shooter? Sure, that looks to be the main focus of the gameplay, but is that a bad thing? What were people expecting the gameplay to be, if not like Gears of War or Uncharted? If anything I prefer to see more third person shooters that take inspiration from those two franchises -- rather than just another first person shooter.
If at E3 they come out with a smooth demo that fixes the lag and framerate issues then we can only hope the mission structure is unique and interesting. I am surprised they decided to let this footage out and not prepare a proper cut, but we shall see how this all plays out. Remember how fragile games can be at this state of development. Even Naughty Dog admitted that prior to E3 for Uncharted 2 that their demo kept crashing. As long as the core vision is solid and inspiring then we should be excited for what the game has yet to show.
Metallix87
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Very underwhelming. I don't know what I was expecting gameplay-wise, but it certainly wasn't that. I honestly would've preferred something more along the lines of the old Hunter: The Reckoning games.
The game was know since the reveal to be a 3rd person shooter.
Metallix87
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What I described IS still a 3rd person shooter.
BotoxAgent
Member
I hear ya. But the Uncharted...and the TLOU formula has been wildly successful for Sony with no signs of slowing down. They will probably follow this template for a while longer, for better or worse.
The Game Informer article keeps me very optimistic about this game. But it's good to know at least that their ambitions with the graphic and tech for this game is legit and lived up to the initial reveal trailer.
Metallix87
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I definitely see Uncharted 4 and The Order 1886 being followed by The Last of Us 2, as well as possibly The Last of Us: Definitive Edition.
It was hyped for its atmosphere and its visuals, which it delivered on in a phenomenal way. Imo, it's the most impressive game I have ever seen : The fabric of the clothes, the lighting, the shaders' quality (the weapon, metal and the wooden crate), the models,,,
If the story and dialogue are as thrilling as the setting would suggest, and if RAD delivers on the action pieces and pacing, we will be enjoying one hell of a ride.
flamingotripod
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The graphics look really good
but my god the gameplay could not look more generic. Gameplay looks equivalent to spec ops the line.
but my god the gameplay could not look more generic. Gameplay looks equivalent to spec ops the line.
Me too dude...Last cover shooter i played was Gears 2 ..well i did play an hour of Gears 3 but that don't count i guess. I personally am not tired of cover shooters basically by what you are stating is true for me, fortunately!
I think this game looks VERY COOL...i absolutely LOVE THE ATMOSPHERE...but i must say im not a fan of the top and bottom borders at all...that sucks imho.
I will not hold judgment on a game from 2 minutes worth of footage...i just like to give people and things a fair chance i guess.
PS People say they are tired of "cover shooters" but what about other 3rd person games...would you guys be too sick to play another Last Of Us, Resident Evil, Dead Space, Max Payne, GTA, Rainbow6,etc,etc just as examples because there were tons of 3rd person games last year in the same genre although i am not suggesting all those games i listed are "cover and shoot". .....do we even know that the majority of this game is "cover and shoot" shit? I guess my point is...hasty judgements are never good to live by.
Peace
You assume next gen gameplay should be any different than last gen gameplay. The tastes and preferences of the mass market/lowest common denominator isn't going to change just because new machines are out. AAA games have found their rhythm and due to increasing development costs they're not going to deviate much from it.
Thats the point, there's tons of 3rd person shooters out there already and we have established IPs for that. Although i dont mind that its 3rd person, because lets face it, at least its not 1st person, i can understand ppl who are tired of 3rd person especially because it is a new IP so i'm sure people are hoping new IP means new fresh experiences.
My first feeling was wow at the graphics, very nice.
Disappointed we didn't get to see more of the gameplay but sony has been being quite secret. Maybe its not ready enough yet and saving for E3.
Amazing graphics, great setting, destructible environment. We definitely have all those. Cool story with knights of the round table fighting wearwolves in steampunk victorian london, remains to be seen whether its a good story but id put money on it being great, got all the ingredients.
Qte's are cool imo but only as I think they will be used, for set people/events not all. As the ones you can shoot if you run up to them you would think you can melee.
So far all we have seen is basic gunplay with basic gun. We know this game has some cool looking weapons and controlling each character gives you different ones. The release trailer shows us some of those weapons. A couple of enemies on screen but im sure there will be more at times. Thats one thing next gen should do imo that previous gen cant, more on screen.We also have the traversal of environments.
Who knows what else will be involved but with things like the blimps, technology in the steampunk world, you may get to use other things as a steampunk victorian London throws up a lot of possibilities.
I believe if the team making this got so much right their not going to make some lame gameplay. They know this is next gen, ppl want bigger better more etc. I can't see it not being great tbh.
Disappointed we didn't get to see more of the gameplay but sony has been being quite secret. Maybe its not ready enough yet and saving for E3.
Amazing graphics, great setting, destructible environment. We definitely have all those. Cool story with knights of the round table fighting wearwolves in steampunk victorian london, remains to be seen whether its a good story but id put money on it being great, got all the ingredients.
Qte's are cool imo but only as I think they will be used, for set people/events not all. As the ones you can shoot if you run up to them you would think you can melee.
So far all we have seen is basic gunplay with basic gun. We know this game has some cool looking weapons and controlling each character gives you different ones. The release trailer shows us some of those weapons. A couple of enemies on screen but im sure there will be more at times. Thats one thing next gen should do imo that previous gen cant, more on screen.We also have the traversal of environments.
Who knows what else will be involved but with things like the blimps, technology in the steampunk world, you may get to use other things as a steampunk victorian London throws up a lot of possibilities.
I believe if the team making this got so much right their not going to make some lame gameplay. They know this is next gen, ppl want bigger better more etc. I can't see it not being great tbh.
Mike Works
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I'm genuinely curious as to what The Last of Us does that this game can't?
My point being that TLOU had a great gameplay reveal trailer while The Order's is lacking. However, I'm seeing many similarities between the two games, and TLOU ended up arguably being the greatest game of the entire generation (arguably arguably arguably... at the very least, it was rated highly).
This isn't to bring on a false equivalence in that every Third Person Shooter is automatically as good as TLOU, but it is quite clear that the developers of The Order are looking to bring a similar gameplay and cinematic experience.
So while it would have been cool to see some of the creative weapons in the game, or the different enemies or more open environments, could it not be said that almost everything that The Order is getting crapped on in this thread is something that also exists in The Last of Us?
My point being that TLOU had a great gameplay reveal trailer while The Order's is lacking. However, I'm seeing many similarities between the two games, and TLOU ended up arguably being the greatest game of the entire generation (arguably arguably arguably... at the very least, it was rated highly).
This isn't to bring on a false equivalence in that every Third Person Shooter is automatically as good as TLOU, but it is quite clear that the developers of The Order are looking to bring a similar gameplay and cinematic experience.
So while it would have been cool to see some of the creative weapons in the game, or the different enemies or more open environments, could it not be said that almost everything that The Order is getting crapped on in this thread is something that also exists in The Last of Us?
block tower
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while the visuals are nice, im not too interested in this game until i see more. just seems like an odd trailer. no story context or real gameplay was shown, not really understanding the purpose of a trailer like this one.
Death Penalty
Member
Hm, I may have to rein in my expectations a bit for this game now. The graphics were just delicious, there's certainly no denying that and I'll pick this up just for them. But the gunplay wasn't what I was hoping it would be so far. I mean, we ain't seen nothin' yet, I know that. We didn't see the supernatural enemies and we only saw one gun. But this wasn't the best foot to put forward in my opinion.
I was hoping we'd see that lightning gun in action, for instance, and I was also hoping we'd at least see weaponry that for the most part broke away from the vast majority of shooters. More along the lines of Ratchet and Clank or Resistance guns than your typical rifle, minigun, blah blah blah sort of affair if you understand.
Will wait to see more, but hype somewhat tempered.
I was hoping we'd see that lightning gun in action, for instance, and I was also hoping we'd at least see weaponry that for the most part broke away from the vast majority of shooters. More along the lines of Ratchet and Clank or Resistance guns than your typical rifle, minigun, blah blah blah sort of affair if you understand.
Will wait to see more, but hype somewhat tempered.
EmptySpace
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ready at dawn guys are confident. that's all that matters. anyone who has never played their psp games don't know their calibre. game is w.i.p. and is at least 6 months away.
there will be plenty of opportunities to see the game again. this is the first out of many, that's for sure. 10-20 seconds of gunplay isn't really worth flipping tables over or writing the game off. from the other trailer, it seems it has some last of us vibe, which is very exciting. the story and atmosphere will be there. weapons will have alternate fire like resistance/unreal. that's all they want to share and that's fine. i am more worried about infamous because we haven't seen mission structures, enemy types, even other powers, etc. and it's releasing next month. this game has a half-year. i am not saying this will be the best, but given rad's track record and knowing that they still have much to show (it's quite obvious that they do), it's safe to be very optimistic.
people wanting some "revolutionary" gameplay, they don't even know what they want to see. what they know is what they don't want to see.
I propose second person shooter. Viewpoint of person being shot up.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Why are people bitching about the gunplay, gameplay is more than just gunplay (which is the only thing we have seen). TLOU has generic gunplay but the story, atmosphere more than makes up for it. What did people expect with a shooter, no shooting?
EL CUCO
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Ohhh play as the protagonist from the antagonist's POV...I like it.
EmptySpace
Banned
from the other trailer, it seems that
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will make some appearances. shouldn't have spoiled myself by reading some comments.
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BUNTING1243
Banned
This seems like a early PS3 Sony exclusive, and I don't mean that in a good way. Hopefully the actual game is more interesting.
MrCookiepants
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So, when they show off The Witcher 3 with Geralt strolling through some pretty environments, occasionally swinging a sword or riding a horse it's BEST GAME EVER.
But when we see the moustache dudes from The Order strolling through some pretty environments and doing things no less typical of its respective genre, we're all GENERIC BAD GAME.
I know we have a lot of shooters and not that many RPGs, but it's unfair to criticize a game for being what it is.
Well, it's got horseriding. That's gotta be special.
That's an incredibly disingenuous comparison.
Nobody complains about gameplay in trailers for The Witcher because it's a known factor- it's got nothing to prove. People know how The Witcher plays and anyone interested in trailers for The Witcher are presumably fine with how it plays.
On the other hand, we know nothing about The Order, and when all we have is a short clip of a dude crouching behind chest high walls and shooting something, people are going to run with it.
Additionally, "open-world wrpg" sounds better to many gamers, and is a far more rare occurrence than "cover based tps"
Nobody complains about gameplay in trailers for The Witcher because it's a known factor- it's got nothing to prove. People know how The Witcher plays and anyone interested in trailers for The Witcher are presumably fine with how it plays.
On the other hand, we know nothing about The Order, and when all we have is a short clip of a dude crouching behind chest high walls and shooting something, people are going to run with it.
Additionally, "open-world wrpg" sounds better to many gamers, and is a far more rare occurrence than "cover based tps"
Heh, you've literally made three hit and run comments of the same nature in this thread. We got it the first time.
Well put. Some of us like TPS games and if it does that well on top of jaw-dropping graphics and an interesting story, then what is the problem? Hell, we don't even know much about it yet this short clip is enough to get people to write the game off entirely as if they know how everything will play out now based on one weapon and encounter. I know people like to be cynical on here, but I didn't expect people to react to a TPS game being a...TPS game as a big shocker and figuring they know how it all plays out now based on this clip of a pretty normal weapon in action...
I'm sure they'll have some unique features in there too but who knows besides RAD and some of the clairvoyants we have here.
This could be a great game...If you judged TLOU off of a few minutes of combat, would you assume that game sucked too? Would you criticize it for being a TPS even though that was known and doesn't mean it has to be generic and just like Gears?
I'm here for fun and I'm HOPING The Order will deliver that fun. If not, it's a damn shame but I sure as hell can't come to that conclusion off of what little we have right now unless I WANT to be disappointed.
MrCookiepants
Member
If TW3 was a new IP the reactions would be the same. Pretty graphics and formulaic gameplay are only okay when the game in question isn't a shooter. Yes, it does have a lot to do with the last thing you said, but it doesn't make the double standard any less annoying.
kungfuian
Member
I personally think the game looks amazing! The animation, graphics, art style, character design and voice work, etc all look fantastic!!! And the gun play (while maybe a bit conservative based on what they've showed) looks like solid fun although it hard to tell from such a small slice of gameplay (usually comes down to feel, something we obviously can't tell till we get our hands on it)
Will be interesting to see how well and often the branching qtes are implemented (hopefully not used too much) and also be nice to see how the other components of game play balance out the whole game's pacing (I read it has some exploration elements- hopefully a nice mix of this and combat to balance out the package).
Based on what they showed so far, and also based on the devs pedigree (ghost of Sparta was arguably as good if not better than god of war 3 imo), this game's very high on my list!
NullPointer
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And just like that the old wound is re-opened
You can't lump Gears with Uncharted together . Gears is gameplay first , cinematic second while Uncharted is the opposite .
Kenshin001
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They could have shown some unique weapons. I think they showed a guy getting blasted by the air gun but it didn't really present well. They should have shown some traversal as well as apparently that's in the game.
NullPointer
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I'd like to agree with this but its audience, even the single player audience bailed out with Judgment, and that was 100% pure Gears gameplay, with no fuss and no muss, and no slow walks and no filler. I don't get it. Multiplayer fans hating on it I get, 100%, but campaign fans?
Makes me wonder how many gamers out there are gameplay-first. Might be a dying breed, but indies are there for us right now.
And just like that the old wound is re-opened
They asked for "innovation". The "just under 1 million" of them.
And just like that the old wound is re-opened
The colonel is alive and well, just waiting to get his ass whooped once and for all....
Uncharted a gameplay more than holds it's own compared to gears, man a lot of bitching on this thread given we've seen 2 mins of footage it's way to early to be judging, also we've known about it being a tps since forever now it's a problem, where's the bitching when every fps is an fps?, I think we get way less tps for anyone to be played out on them at this point we only really have two main stays in that genre.
King Beyond the wall
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I don't know how we can judge the gameplay from what we've seen: 15 seconds of running down a corridor and shooting about 10 bullets.
As far as I can tell it looks promising :
1. The same cover system as the last of us which is excellent.
2. The branching QTEs which you can choose or change depending if you fail.
I don't think there is anything more in the gameplay shown to talk about.
These reveals were here to tease the game to us, show us the graphics and atmosphere, and I believe that it did both of theses excellently.
All I'm saying is wait for a proper gameplay reveal before judging the gameplay.
As far as I can tell it looks promising :
1. The same cover system as the last of us which is excellent.
2. The branching QTEs which you can choose or change depending if you fail.
I don't think there is anything more in the gameplay shown to talk about.
These reveals were here to tease the game to us, show us the graphics and atmosphere, and I believe that it did both of theses excellently.
All I'm saying is wait for a proper gameplay reveal before judging the gameplay.
All hype that was previously built was meaningless because nobody had seen any gameplay. If you lose hype for an interesting concept because it is executed abysmally and has bad gameplay, you have quite literally the most valid reason possible to lose excitement about something.
That 30 seconds is what the creators thought was good enough to excite people about the game and show off what it's all about, if someone dislikes what they see in said 30 seconds they have every right to judge.
Jdnathan11
Banned
What is with this pattern of next gen game footage not showing us shit? One would think it would be the exact opposite, trying to blow us away with next gen omgness to buy new systems. That obviously isn't the case. Why got damn it???
dirtywhirlwind
Member
Absolutely gorgeous and that's why this game pisses me off so bad based on that small segment of gameplay that looks utterly dreadful. People will buy it regardless because of eye candy, so you would think they actually would've had the balls to actually try do something new and not just the same old shit in a new costume.
Sure, it can only get better, right? But right now, based on what we've seen, it's just a depressed reflection of the poor state this industry is in.
Sure, it can only get better, right? But right now, based on what we've seen, it's just a depressed reflection of the poor state this industry is in.
boredandlazy
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hipsterpants
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Considering we're only 4 months(?) away from E3, I'm not too worried if some gameplay trailer they made to remind us this game exists doesn't look that great. I love the graphics and setting so if the story is good this is a definite day 1 for me.
I love 3rd person shooters like uncharted and gears. The game play did not look polished to me it seemed kind of clunky. Not silky smooth like a gears or uncharted. I will still buy the game but I hope they can smooth out the gun play some. I can understand clunkyness in TLoU makes sense the main character is not a highly trained soldier. In this game the characters are highly trained soldiers and the gun play should be more smooth.
IMO it is a mistake for them to wait till E3 to have a proper reveal. That works with established IPs. I don't think it works for a new IP that releases in the fall against the big dogs. This time of year they had the whole core gaming world watching. They should of really taken advantage to get the game on our buy lists. Instead they risk being lost in the mosh pit of E3 against established games. I find Sony's handling of this game and Infamous strange and backwards. But it fits their MO of screwing up marketing of really good games only to see sales be disappointing.