Idaho poised to pass "anti-gay bill"

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Anyone should have the right to practice their religious belief. This country was founded because of religious persecution. There are many religions that don't have a problem with homosexuality. I just don't see how anyone who believes in God can turn their back on another simply because they're gay.

They were sinners at some point, and God didn't turn his back on them. Why do that to someone else? I get that people fear what they don't understand, but as human beings living on the same planet why cant we just learn to accept each others differences and love one another.
 
This is local nuttiness that will probably get slammed down by the Court.

But man, this stuff has to really hurt the GOP on a nation-wide basis. I bet all the big establishment GOPers just HATE this kind of stuff.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
Not just ID, 6 states:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/religious-liberty-bills-idaho-kansas-tennessee
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“Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful. It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill,” Kansas Rep. Charles Macheers, one of the Republicans who voted for that state's bill, said on the House floor. “There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that.”
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HOLY SHIT HOW DO YOU SAY THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE?!
 
That bill is fucked up, because if it's really about "free exercise of religion", then religious people may deny service to anyone - not only gay people - who they consider sinful. Mothers with kids born out of wedlock? Sinners! Divorced adults? Sinners. Those people not attending mass on Sunday? Sinners that will burn in Hell!!
 
D4Danger said:
the difference being this is going nowhere because most of the US is sane.
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I was about to argue that even most of Idaho is sane, but I am not sure if I can back that up. I'd love to see polling on where most of us stand, because I have to think we are better than this bill. We need to get the Tea Party out of our state legislature.
 
Odinson said:
Anyone should have the right to practice their religious belief. This country was founded because of religious persecution. There are many religions that don't have a problem with homosexuality. I just don't see how anyone who believes in God can turn their back on another simply because they're gay.

They were sinners at some point, and God didn't turn his back on them. Why do that to someone else? I get that people fear what they don't understand, but as human beings living on the same planet why cant we just learn to accept each others differences and love one another.
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Yeah, it is a really sad unique persecution. Why is so much ire reserved for gay people? Shouldn't they want the right to not serve rapists, people from other religions, murderers, fornicators, and all other types of sinners . . . . nope . . . just gays.

What makes the 'sin' of being gay so special that it gets treated differently than all other sins?
 
Are there any true religious rulings that state that a person can't even interact with a gay person in a professional instance?

Either way, what a stupid bill. The fact that 'suspected' is in there is even more crazy.
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah, it is a really sad unique persecution. Why is so much ire reserved for gay people? Shouldn't they want the right to not serve rapists, people from other religions, murderers, fornicators, and all other types of sinners . . . . nope . . . just gays.

What makes the 'sin' of being gay so special that it gets treated differently than all other sins?
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Anecdotally speaking, my brother can logically see that government has no place regulating stuff like this, but gay people 'gross him out'. I think there are a lot of insecure males that are driving this kind of legislation and that religion is just an excuse.
 
Cmerrill said:
The fuck is wrong with that country(USA)?
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This country doesn't have one culture. Parts of it are what I would call backwards. Other parts are not. Each part is trying to change the other, but it's not easy because each part has a large degree of self-determination to set its own laws and so forth, and changing things at the federal level requires a large majority.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
Not just ID, 6 states:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/religious-liberty-bills-idaho-kansas-tennessee
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These kinds of things always come in waves- the Voter ID bills, the public union stuff, and now this.

Gay rights by state:
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Upper house control by state:
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What a coincidence.
 
I'm surprised Texas hasn't introduced something like this. That would be the war cry that rallies liberals and democrats in this state. In a strange way, I'm kind of hoping that an "anti-gay" bill gets introduced in Texas just so it can instantly get struck down by the courts. These bills will not pass. Conservatives can kick and scream all they want. These horrendous bills are just having the opposite effect and building more support for gay marriage instead.

The marriage fight is already underway in Texas:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gay-marriage-coming-the-deep-south
 
That is so so wrong. I hope that everyone saying it's just going to speed up ending this type of nonsense by going to the courts is right.
 
I guess we'll have to start making gay people wear rainbow badges so that our fine upstanding Christian businessmen know who to turn away.

What could go wrong?
 
Goliath said:
It's just crazy.....I mean not every religion is anti gay for one. And how is it ok to protect people's religious right to discriminate???

I don't recall anywhere in the bible that you are suppossed to shun sinners. From my understanding in Christianity at least we are ALL sinners and the act of gay sex is not one of those deadly sins so I don't see even under this crazy bill how people being gay near religious people equals religious people can't practice their faith??

It's really sad.
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Bigots don't care about the parts of the Bible that tell you to be nice. One of the unfortunate things you have to learn in life is that some people just love the idea of righteous indignation. The type of people this law was made for want to feel important by taking what they perceive to be a sacred stand against sinners.
 
NintendoGal said:
Eastern WA is much different from Western WA in many regards. My family had relatives in Spokane and many of them don't agree with that goes on around the King County area.
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Yup. The By County map for the gay marriage vote shows just how geographically concentrated the cool part of Washington is. In a theoretical progressive vs non-progressive civil war, Eastern Washington (barring like one county) would secede and join Idaho, probably.
 
This is a pointless waste of time and taxpayer money for social grandstanding, though all it does in invite comparisons to Russia and Uganda.
 
There is nothing to say except THIS MAKES ME FURIOUS. I can't wait until the courts smack the entire state legislature in their face.
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah, it is a really sad unique persecution. Why is so much ire reserved for gay people? Shouldn't they want the right to not serve rapists, people from other religions, murderers, fornicators, and all other types of sinners . . . . nope . . . just gays.

What makes the 'sin' of being gay so special that it gets treated differently than all other sins?
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In this proposed legislation, it doesn't. The bills are sufficiently open-ended to provide a defence for any religious-inspired discrimination - whether of gays, muslims, single mothers, catholics, witches, jedi, atheists and so on and so on.

And it's not just about providing services either, it extends to employment as well.

All very distasteful. Pleased to see that the bills have now been withdrawn (though this may be only temporary). As others have said, it won't get past a district court anyhow.
 
Perspicacity said:
How come there isn't a bleed over of cool stuff from Oregon and Washington into Idaho?
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Becaus Idaho is bleeding into Eastern Washington and Oregon. They're pretty red out there.

I've driven through Idaho to get to Montana and it was weird. Like, there's this town that had a really big playground which I thought was really cool of them to pay for. Then I saw a siege tower with fake guns at the top. wtf.
 
It is gone for now.
BOISE, IDAHO — A lawmaker promoting disputed legislation to protect religious people who refuse to serve gays, lesbians and others to whom they object from lawsuits says he'll withdraw the bill, for now.

Republican Rep. Lynn Luker of Boise says his measure was intended to protect the free exercise of religion, but was misinterpreted to be a "sword for discrimination."

A previous hearing on his measure lasted nearly four hours and drew hundreds to the Capitol.

Luker says he respects concerns he heard and as a result plans to take more time to work on the bill, which he proposed in the wake of cases in Oregon and New Mexico where gay people who were refused service brought claims against businesses.

On Wednesday, Luker said it's unlikely his measure would resurface this session
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I love that he feels it was misinterpreted.
 
dude2o said:
Why the FUCK should the government care about 2 men blowing each other in the privacy of there own home. This feels unconstitutional.
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The NSA's watching. They gotta protect their poor innocent eyes. If they go blind from watching 2 dude blow each other, who's going to keep an eye on terrorists?
 
Captain Pants said:
As an Idahoan, I'm happy. This will get smacked down by the first federal court that looks at it, and our state will be better for it.
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i feel like that's all these things will accomplish, a nice work out for the court system + pruning things before they get dumb


Cow Mengde said:
The NSA's watching. They gotta protect their poor innocent eyes. If they go blind from watching 2 dude blow each other, who's going to keep an eye on terrorists?
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the guy who's receiving
 
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