Metroid-Squadron
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Lightmaps cost memory.
Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
- Thread starter Moral Panic
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The Demon Was Destroyed
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I haven't seen anything worth complaining about while actually playing the game.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
i love it, that's how all the pros play! You can't drop below 120 fps and still be successful
The textures do make it harder to spot people so I understand why they do it.
EvilKatarn
Member
I think he had trouble reaching even 12 FPS in that video.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Graphics enhance art direction.
No, all baked lighting and shadows has been greatly downgraded.
Even in the shots with the torches on they cast no shadows in the environment.
Side note, I miss Demon's Souls crystal, light emitting trinket on your belt that explained the light the character emitted in their immediate vicinity, a light that also exists in Dark Souls 1and now 2. That small addition probably meant more to my first impression of Demon's Souls than it should have.
I think once actual clean footage comes out people will realize how gigantic of a downgrade this is.
The Dragonbone Mansion area first shown in the reveal trailer is now essentially gutted. I mean there's no way someone could think it was an artistic choice.
Self_Destructive
Member
I dunno, despite everything, I think Majula is the most beautiful place in a Dark Souls game.
Firelink Shrine is awesomely designed for sure, but Majula is more beautiful. I'm just wondering how many secrets there are and perhaps even complete areas there are that we simply don't know about yet?
Firelink Shrine is awesomely designed for sure, but Majula is more beautiful. I'm just wondering how many secrets there are and perhaps even complete areas there are that we simply don't know about yet?
TetraGenesis
Member
Bummer 
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Graphics enhance art direction.
No, all baked lighting and shadows has been greatly downgraded.
Even in the shots with the torches on they cast no shadows in the environment.
But the first one is from the PC version.
I mean, Im not saying lighting didnt get downgraded, but that IGN reveal was clearly running on PC
solid 30 fps? impossible.
i'll be satisfied with 25-30 fps.
the video is called "Dark Souls 2 PS3 Gameplay - 5 Things We Learned"
Pie and Beans
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This is the conundrum now. The preview and release footage of games has become so untrustworthy now, we won't know unless the PC version leaks somehow or just have to wait post April 24th.
I'm pretty pissed. I'm now caught in a limbo of deciding between versions PURELY because of this lighting issue, with waiting a month+ to possibly be disappointed all over again.
This:
is just too much of a hit to art direction for me to even pretend its acceptable.
Not impossible. I remember interviews a while back where they claimed framerate will take a higher priority. Maybe they just mean never consistently below 25 as you said.
Garcia
Member
This is sadly the case here.
The Hermit
Member
Pc wins again
Hopefully...
But I think there could be some conspiracy, this is far worse than watch dogs, considering people "played" that demo at the begginig of the year
Hopefully...
But I think there could be some conspiracy, this is far worse than watch dogs, considering people "played" that demo at the begginig of the year
Garcia
Member
There's a launch day review embargo. Not a good sign.
It definitely was, my guess is that certain areas weren't playing nicely on consoles in terms of performance and they last minute decided to just jettison the lighting out the airlock.
The Beta ran OK, it wasn't good or anything but it was totally within the limits of what's acceptable for a Souls game. Maybe other areas didn't fare as well?
What sucks is that I don't even know if I should wait for the PC version or not. I'm really not convinced that it will get the original lighting model and it comes out more than a month late.
review embargo lift on tuesday.
Lots of games have launch day embargoes, including lots of really good ones. It doesn't really indicate anything.
ok, scrap what I said then, didnt saw that video. Its not the same as the IGN reveal from that screen..
Seriously..
D
Deleted member 10571
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Graphics enhance art direction.
No, all baked lighting and shadows has been greatly downgraded.
Even in the shots with the torches on they cast no shadows in the environment.
Wow, this is really something. From a downgrade perspective way worse that Watchdogs. I don't play DS for the graphics, but From should get some flak for that.
nailbombxx
Member
I aint even mad.
PetriP-TNT
Member
I am okay with this.
Aces&Eights
Member
Wtf? Is Ubisoft helping From with their marketing? I love Souls but I'm getting really tired of developers showing us one thing and giving us something completely different. When I applied for my job they slid a piece of paper across the table that had a number on it. It was my salary. On my first check, guess what? It matched perfectly! When I go to the store and milk says "2.99 a gallon" when I ring it up it is 2.99. If it rings up higher the store adjusts the price to match what was advertised. How can this shit not be considered false advertising? Jesus!
I was generally on media blackout with this game and had no idea how integrated the lighting was with the gameplay/mechanics. I didn't know a lot of the areas made use of torches and stuff. So, what's essentially going on here is that the lighting initially complimented the torch system and now that it has been manipulated/downgraded, the torch mechanics/ideas are basically pointless? That's pretty bad then if that's the case. I just thought the lighting was there for atmosphere/setting reasons, which for me, would have been disappointing, sure, but not the end of the world like some people were raving about. Now I understand what's going on.
Oh well. Maybe From will fall from grace and go back to being cool again when no one gave a shit about them, lol!
Oh well. Maybe From will fall from grace and go back to being cool again when no one gave a shit about them, lol!
Lasthope106
Member
I'm pretty confident the pc version will have the better graphics and lighting. April 25 can't come soon enough.
nailbombxx
Member
FromSoft probably realized that all of that lighting was causing more Blighttown performance drops.
They'll bring it back for the inevitable current gen up-ports, perhaps they realized thats the better option rather than trying to get the game to run in a stable fashion. A visual downgrade is preferable to dealing with bad fps issues. Conveniently the PC version is over a month out, so there's less blow back from the last gen version not looking so hot.
Garcia
Member
Those crazy flickering shadows are still in the downgraded PS3 version when you light a torch.
Yup.
I remember the places which were well lit or there was some torches in the area it would start making the game lag a lot. Even when you would carry your own torch around.
Yeah. I don't think the downgrade seen in this or watch_dogs are intentional bait and switches (as opposed to, say, the Alien Colonial Marines bs demo that was not like the final game at all).
They probably ended up finding that the old lightning model caused severe performance issues in some areas that couldn't be solved before launch. Even if it worked relatively well in some areas on the demo ps3 version, it might have not worked well in other areas.
Dynamic lighting looked to good for last gen? lol
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Not even mad.
Still there day zero on PS3 and going to love every moment of it, instead of spending my time complaining about visuals.
Still there day zero on PS3 and going to love every moment of it, instead of spending my time complaining about visuals.
Robot Pants
Member
Oh damn we got a whole thread on this now.
This game should have been next-gen to begin with, but regardless id really like a next gen version and all these problems could go away.
Sure I could get it on PC, but PS4 would be cooler.
This game should have been next-gen to begin with, but regardless id really like a next gen version and all these problems could go away.
Sure I could get it on PC, but PS4 would be cooler.
Smooth Operator
Member
Not even mad.
Still there day zero on PS3 and going to love every moment of it, instead of spending my time complaining about visuals.
Good for you. Preorder cancelled for me, i'll wait the PC version.
Krusenstern
Banned
I knew there was something off with the lighting and people still kept downplaying it or denying it or called me things.
Just look at the mirror knight comparison. I feel dumbfounded when I see this.
The difference is pretty stark.
I hope From made the PC version at least look like the initial build.
Just look at the mirror knight comparison. I feel dumbfounded when I see this.
The difference is pretty stark.
I hope From made the PC version at least look like the initial build.