I really don't know about that. At all. Most people my age that I know (28) only played the first pokemon game as a kid. Also this is my personal experience.. but I play in a videogame cover band called Kirby's Dream Band..and we all dress in pink with Kirby's face on our T-Shirts and pink short shorts. I remember during Comic-Con we had a show and I was walking around in my outfit and I shit you not, 70% of the people called out "Jiggly Puff!" to me. Not even kirby.. Jiggly Puff!
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I really don't know about that. At all. Most people my age that I know (28) only played the first pokemon game as a kid. Also this is my personal experience.. but I play in a videogame cover band called Kirby's Dream Band..and we all dress in pink with Kirby's face on our T-Shirts and pink short shorts. I remember during Comic-Con we had a show and I was walking around in my outfit and I shit you not, 70% of the people called out "Jiggly Puff!" to me. Not even kirby.. Jiggly Puff!
I think because Lucario got multiple occasions where it was a "special" Pokemon in the games. Like being the first Mega Evolution you get to use in X/Y, or Riolu being a special gift in D/P/P, with only one available as well as being featured prominently in Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon as a "special" Pokemon. Kinda feels like he got shoved into multiple special roles long before he even had a chance to become popular on his own, but it worked out well enough for a lot of fans.
My friend's 8-year old niece seeing Super Smash Bros. N64 in 2013: "Is that Kirby and Jigglypuff?"
(sees Lucario in SSBB): "Is that a Pokemon?"
Lucario is well known and more relevant than Jiggs, but not more well known. Plus, people may play Lucario in the main Pokemon games, but it's not like people are actively going out of their way to purchase Lucario plushies and merchandise outside of male children. Especially girls. All they give Lucario are cold shoulders.
From my experience, people will recognize most of these Gen 2+ as Pokemon and not just some vague recollection of an anime monster: Marill, Togepi, Lugia, Plusle/Minun, Torchic, Blaziken, Piplup, Kyogre, Bidoof, Snivy, Oshawatt, Eeveelutions. At least with Jigglypuff there's perks for being a veteran, but to the casual person who plays video games but not Pokemon, Lucario and Zoroark are Digimen Fairy Tail Nintendo characters. It helps to look friendly and accessible for merchandising.
SenorArdilla
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The Stork sounds like a neat idea for an Assist Trophy. He could fly away and then drops random items in front of you. Or maybe he could carry the nearest opponent off the stage.
As an actual playable character? His grab could be tossing that cloth on other people and then tying it up. Then he throws are just tossing them away in the specified direction. He could be like Donkey Kong in that he becomes one of the few characters that can move around after he grabs someone.
As an actual playable character? His grab could be tossing that cloth on other people and then tying it up. Then he throws are just tossing them away in the specified direction. He could be like Donkey Kong in that he becomes one of the few characters that can move around after he grabs someone.
theprodigy
Member
*citation needed*
edit: did you seriously include Oshawatt in your list there over Lucario?
no
I don't think I knew who Lucario was before Brawl. I knew who every other Pokemon in Smash series was.
You gonna need some citation,
I'm gonna need some proof of that. I've seen little girls with related things, and I know I would have loved Lucario when I was a kid.
Benzychenz
Member
And there's a whole generation of kids growing up with the gen 4/5/6 games/anime/toys that won't know half of the gen 1 pokemon.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
First post I see, I can only guess what the current conversation is about.
I don't know about Japan, but in America, I don't think ANY post-Gen I Pokemon will ever be "iconic" like those first ones were. Lucario is really well known among Pokemon fans and kids who watch the show and all, but, I mean, Jigglypuff was a question on Who Wants to be a Millionaire, a guy sung the song on American Idol... Pokemon's still big but it's nowhere near as pervasive as it was in the late 90s and Jigglypuff was near the top.
Lucario is one of (if not the) biggest outside of the original 151, but it's a pretty huge gap.
Lucario is one of (if not the) biggest outside of the original 151, but it's a pretty huge gap.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Guys lucario got his own movie with mew.
He also was one of the first pokemon revealed to have a mega because of his popularity.
He also was one of the first pokemon revealed to have a mega because of his popularity.
I think a lot of you are underestimating the pervasiveness of Lucario and the number of young kids that are still playing Pokemon. Pokemon has been around for over twenty years now, and characters like Jigglypuff and Mewtwo haven't been relevant for most of them. There's plenty of kids who are more familiar with Lucario than most Gen 1 Pokemon, I'm sure.
E3 reveal trailer shows a Pokemon battle between a Pokemon trainer and a silhouetted figure. An explosion happens and the Pokemon trainer jumps in excitement, believing she's won the battle. A bright light shines and the silhouette becomes clear.
We see a Digivice and Bandai Namco introduces the Digidestined as a playable character. Once the cut in fades, the Digivice continues to shine and we see Agumon digivolve into WarGreymon.
We see more gameplay mechanics where you get to play as Agumon and once you hit 100%, he transforms and forces you to switch playstyles as WarGreymon.
Pokemon Trainer fades away in defeat as he becomes cut from the roster in favor of Digimon.
Believeeeeee.
We see a Digivice and Bandai Namco introduces the Digidestined as a playable character. Once the cut in fades, the Digivice continues to shine and we see Agumon digivolve into WarGreymon.
We see more gameplay mechanics where you get to play as Agumon and once you hit 100%, he transforms and forces you to switch playstyles as WarGreymon.
Pokemon Trainer fades away in defeat as he becomes cut from the roster in favor of Digimon.
Believeeeeee.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
oh, shun
Lord_Byron28
Member
Thats because Lucario first debuted in that movie.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I somewhat think the people here are forgetting that many gen 4,5, and 6 kids (kids who grew up with these) haven't essentially grown up to be a part of the internet/mainstream (this sounds really awkward but I hope I got the message through)
As a kid I played Yellow and Sapphire, and Saphirre/Emerald/FRLG/Ruby were all the shit to me. I preferred (and still do) the seasons in Johto, Hoenn +Battle Frontier. You can't imagine my shock when I learned that people on the internet didn't like the new gens starting with 3. Gen 4 was also amazing to me. But as time passed, I saw more people who grew up with gen 3 and 4 come to defend those gens
Oh, and Mudkip was enough of an internet meme to count as another major iconic non gen 1 character
Don't toy with me there
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I'm not even some huge fan of lucairo but seriously guys, you gotta stop being ignorant to fit your agenda.
Hyperactivity
Banned
As did genesect.
Although I would near the end of gen 5, among enthusiasts, genesect had replaced any small place Zoroark had
But yeah, Lucario is definitely tied with Mewtwo behind Pikachu and Charizard in my opinion in terms of recognition.
Other high non-gen 5s are mudkip, blaziken, maybe grovyle/sceptile, the chimchar line (near soley because Ash's chimchar-->Infernape was OP and made the writers weaken his other pokemon), Dialga Palkia Giratina and Arceus (because their roles wre so unique. A bunch of people kow Arceus=God), Darkrai? (got a movie and awesome design that was liked a bunch),
Gen 5 didn't really have a mascot
Gen 6 you have the arguably main MEgas: Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario, and Blaziken. +Sylveon
That hardly anybody outside of Japan would ever give a shit about.
I mean, I'm not saying that isn't the reason he was included in the first place. I'm saying that anywhere else besides Japan more people would recognize him from the really popular video game rather than some direct to DVD anime kid's movie.
Seriously.
I'm not serious about Digimon, but I really want Bandai Namco to localize that game.
Digimon4Smash
On the other hand, I think we'll get a pokeball reveal tonight.
Mr. Mime Poke Ball to be specific.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
My friend's 8-year old niece seeing Super Smash Bros. N64 in 2013: "Is that Kirby and Jigglypuff?"
(sees Lucario in SSBB): "Is that a Pokemon?"
Lucario is well known and more relevant than Jiggs, but not more well known. Plus, people may play Lucario in the main Pokemon games, but it's not like people are actively going out of their way to purchase Lucario plushies and merchandise outside of male children. Especially girls. All they give Lucario are cold shoulders.
From my experience, people will recognize most of these Gen 2+ as Pokemon and not just some vague recollection of an anime monster: Marill, Togepi, Lugia, Plusle/Minun, Torchic, Blaziken, Piplup, Kyogre, Bidoof, Snivy, Oshawatt, Eeveelutions. At least with Jigglypuff there's perks for being a veteran, but to the casual person who plays video games but not Pokemon, Lucario and Zoroark are Digimen Fairy Tail Nintendo characters. It helps to look friendly and accessible for merchandising.
You... you have no idea how Japan works nor what you are saying do you?
Fun fact: Lucario worked over Zoroark and still does because he fulfills the JUSTICE! archetype Kamen Rider has been doing, and KR still survives despite dying out in the 90's.
Although this post reeks of "hurr new mons are Digimon". I guess they forgot about Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee.
Don't make me say the p word.
I agree - among Pokemon enthusiasts and in a lot of places on the internet, Lucario is going to be MUCH more relevant than Jigglypuff. And I think that he's earned his place in Brawl because of that. But even if 100% of Pokemon fans today recognize Lucario, that's still incredibly minor compared to Gen I.
I mean, in the 90s Pokemon was EVERYWHERE. I mean, holy shit, Pokemon the First Movie was #1 in the US box office and grossed $10 million in one day. It was amazingly huge. Disney huge. I'm thinking about the Pop Tarts, the mac & cheese, the waffles, the Burger King toys, the toys, the board games, the floats. It had a stage musical. Churches condemned it! South Park parodied it!
Lucario is game huge, anime huge, "nerd huge," but Pokemon used to be CULTURE huge. It's still a big franchise but, in America, I don't think it could ever be that big again. Now, in Japan? I don't know - maybe it still is that big, and maybe Lucario ends up referenced on prime time TV there. But I kind of doubt that.
We aren't maybe you are just refusing to see the other side of things? I love Lucario and think he's pretty cool played the game and watched the anime. But even though he had a movie with mew doesnt mean much considering Jigglypuff. is one of the most popular Pokemon out there for girls, Jigglypuff been with ash's crew for about 2 and a half seasons. You show someone a Jigglypuff they'll be able to tell or at least tell you "hey thats the Pokemon who puts people asleep right?"
saying Lucario is more popular then Jigglypuff is a joke. saying he's more relevant? eh i big to differ. I can barely find gen one Pokemon stuff toys these days but hell if i have trouble finding Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Eevee or Pikachu stuff toys.
hell even on advertisements for pokemon jigglypuff
or clefairy
theprodigy
Member
Since we're talking about Jigglypuff right now: why not take a rest?
CITATION. REQUIRED.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So what reveals will make you say "I'm all set" for Smash 4?
For veterans, all I need is a confirmation of Ike and Wolf.
For newcomers, all I need is Dillon.
You're confusing fad status to lasting, lingering popularity that Pokemon now has. In Japan it's still huge, not fad levels but that just means it has a strong tie outside of being just LOL 90's.
With that said, a lot of this popularity viewpoint is biased on locality. Same problem with Smash really. That's why you got people being confused why Clefairy, Lucario, Cinccino, etc. are popular.
For veterans, all I need is a confirmation of Ike and Wolf.
For newcomers, all I need is Dillon.
You're confusing fad status to lasting, lingering popularity that Pokemon now has. In Japan it's still huge, not fad levels but that just means it has a strong tie outside of being just LOL 90's.
With that said, a lot of this popularity viewpoint is biased on locality. Same problem with Smash really. That's why you got people being confused why Clefairy, Lucario, Cinccino, etc. are popular.
Benzychenz
Member
Quickly sketched Lucario reading GAF
For vets I need Meta Knight, R.O.B., Mr. Game and Watch, Sheik (if no Impa), Captain Falcon and Ganondorf.
For Newcomers I just need Ridley.
That wasn't punny.
For Newcomers I just need Ridley.
Since we're talking about Jigglypuff right now: why not take a rest?
That wasn't punny.
Yasuda Suzuhito doing the art is the main reason why I want the game to get localized.
Generalizing that Jigglypuff is a Pokemon popular with females is gender misappropriation and a backwards idea really.
I'm with Fox, most of you are just overreacting and it's getting old.
Sakurai, give fans in Japan a character they want from a JP only game just to spite Western fans. It's as if you guys think the game is intended for a Western audience with western tastes.
Anecdotal, but all the biggest Lucario fans I know irl and online are girls and women. Just throwing that out there for all those saying girls don't like Lucario.
And Lucario kind of is more popular than Jiggs currently, which is likely the sort of popularity Nintendo cares about since people who like Lucario now are probably more likely to buy the game than people who remember Jiggs from a show they watched almost 20 years ago.
Returns: Ness, Lucas, R.O.B, Game & Watch, Pokemon Trainer, Sheik
Newcomers: Chrom (just Chrom. Fuck Lucina), Dixie or Cranky Kong
And Lucario kind of is more popular than Jiggs currently, which is likely the sort of popularity Nintendo cares about since people who like Lucario now are probably more likely to buy the game than people who remember Jiggs from a show they watched almost 20 years ago.
Returns: Ness, Lucas, R.O.B, Game & Watch, Pokemon Trainer, Sheik
Newcomers: Chrom (just Chrom. Fuck Lucina), Dixie or Cranky Kong
What was he like on the night of his reveal?
Since we're talking about Jigglypuff right now: why not take a rest?
CITATION. REQUIRED.
Jigglypuff has proven a popular character since its introduction.[40] Described as "perhaps the most ridiculously named Pokémon" of the original 151 by The Virginian-Pilot,[41] Jigglypuff has been noted as one of the series' most popular characters and one of Nintendo's mascots.[42] The book Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon' described Jigglypuff as popular with a young, female audience across the franchise as a whole, attributing said popularity to both the immediate attraction of children to its pink color and its contrast to Pokémon species more popular with young males, such as Squirtle or Charmander.[43] The journal Sex Roles noted that while Jigglypuff's gender in the anime was never explicitly stated, it was identified by a majority of people as a female character in the series. Additionally, it was most often named female Pokémon by children when asked to recall one, which the study attributed to its pink color and ability to sing its opponents to sleep.[44] The Australian Journal of Language and Literacy cited Jigglypuff as a tool to use for introducing children to drama, citing its mannerisms in the anime.[45]
[40]^ "Pokemon Crystal Version Pokemon of the Day: Wigglytuff (#40)". San Francisco, California: IGN. News Corporation. 2003-02-04. Retrieved 2010-09-30.
[43]^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 212, 280, 282. ISBN 0-8223-3287-6.
[45]^ Martello, Julie (October 2001). "Drama: Ways into critical literacy in the early childhood years". Australian Journal of Language and Literacy.
That good enough for you? sorry its from wiki... but there's ur source or is there something else that you need? maybe proof that jigglepuff put people to sleep? lol >_>
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm curious how, exactly, Pokemon trended in Japan. In America it was amazing super huge and now it's sort of "middling kid's stuff" in the public imagination... most people probably don't even know it's still a thing.
Was it the same in Japan, only it never dropped so far? Was it even higher in Japan - same "drop" in size, but higher on the graph? Was it always neutral. I know they have that plane, and I'm pretty sure there was a theme park not too long ago. It must still be popular, but how does it compare to, say, Dragon Quest? Or One Piece? I'm sure a pretty fair number of American would recognize "Jigglypuff" - how many people in Japan would recognize "Purin?" How many would know "Lucario?"
It's tough speculating about a culture we have no real access to as far as immersion goes...
Seriously.
I'm not serious about Digimon, but I really want Bandai Namco to localize that game.
Digimon4Smash
On the other hand, I think we'll get a pokeball reveal tonight.
Mr. Mime Poke Ball to be specific.
Mr. Mime's Poke Ball move could be similar to Gardevoir's but instead of reflecting everything, he'd put barriers to immobilize and box in opponents
Plus he's a perfect representative for the new Fairy Type.
Also heres a fun fact Game Freak's staff have noted Jigglypuff as both one of their and the public's favorite Pokémon, in terms of both anime and video game appearances. popularity like that just doesn't go away. especially in japan where Pokemon has consistently been a big thing. Its not a cool contest or i'd vote lucario any day, and i think that's what alot of folks here seem to be turning this discussion into..
Dimitri LH
Member
Seriously.
I'm not serious about Digimon, but I really want Bandai Namco to localize that game.
Digimon4Smash
On the other hand, I think we'll get a pokeball reveal tonight.
Mr. Mime Poke Ball to be specific.
Got Silent Hill vibes from that GIF.....GG Shun
Thanks, I didn't want to go to bed anytime soon
Dimitri LH
Member
That comic helps add up to the Silent Hill Vibe......BRING OUT THE CREEPY PASTAS!
Please dont
theprodigy
Member
The most recognizable outside of Gen 1 would either be Pichu or Mudkip. Lucario is however the most recognizable of the Gen 4 though.
And tonight's update?
New Beam Sword