foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
A softcore porno
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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A softcore porno
theprodigy
Member
too bad it can't be on Luigi
Why would Sakurai make up a Toon version of Sheik when Tetra exists?
The only things he made up in Brawl for the characters were the final smashes for the most part.
Because Toon Sheik would be a fairly simple clone and Tetra would require significant effort. Toon Zelda (and her transformation) would obviously be a low priority character. For all we know, the "canonical" explanation offered in Toon Sheik's trophy description could be that it's actually Tetra paying homage to an old Sheikah legend. She'd play like Sheik, but she'd have Tetra's sword at her hip, Tetra's winking pose, and maybe a few other references in her costume design. We'll never know. I just think it makes much more sense that "Toon Sheik" -- an oddly specific name -- actually means Toon Sheik.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I'm not kidding, its basically almost a porno
Dr. Buni
Member
That is.. a perfect definition for Kill la Kill.
You're not wrong...
Red Arremer
Member
When Brawl came out, people (including myself) looked into the game's files to find out if there was anything interesting. We've found things like a text file that listed all music in the game, including ones that aren't in the game, as well as character-specific victory jingles (like Meta Knight's, but for everybody).
Among those files, we've found 7 character files - Dr. Mario, Roy, Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, and a file that was called pra_mai, which usually is considered being Plusle & Minun. There's no other Nintendo character or sensibly fitting word in the Japanese language, which while the character name is not outright stated, it's pretty much sure it was supposed to be that pair. The character files themselves were empty, but through indirect means, we learned that some characters were further in development than others, but ultimately, it doesn't matter.
For some reason people started calling them Forbidden 7, why forbidden beats me.
Err, no. The game's files literally call it "Toon Sheik", not "debatably Tetra".
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Let stick with Smash Bros topics please. I'm going to pretend that it don't exists.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Can people look in Wii U Disc yet?
Red Arremer
Member
I dunno, I haven't really looked into Wii U hacking, but from what I've heard, it's really difficult to decrypt those files.
theprodigy
Member
I don't even think many of the people that hacked the Wii even feel like doing it this time.
People have to have WiiUs first.
In all seriousness, at this point you'd need a dev kit to get a peek, and I doubt someone who could get it through official channels would like to deal with the legal action from Nintendo for reverse-engineering their software under a contract.
Making it a clone doesn't require them to create a Toon Sheik. They could easily have made Tetra play like a miniature Sheik.
What I'm saying is that they don't need to make a character that would look like a Toon version of Sheik to make a clone of Sheik. Ganondorf didn't suddenly have a helmet and a tight suit showing off his muscles to be a Captain Falcon clone.
It would be more work to make up a Toon Sheik than it would be to use Tetra since there is no source material they can refer to as to how a Toon Sheik would look like.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Did I say occasionally? I meant often. *sigh*
theprodigy
Member
You're joking, but this is actually exactly why nobody really cares for breaking down the Wii U.
Some people seem more interested in company dynamics and backstage deals than having a unique character back
Captain Falcon's move set was generic enough to work for Ganondorf. It's not the best portrayal of the character, but it's just punches and kicks. Nothing stands out as being explicitly against Ganondorf's nature. Sheik is a ninja who moves around like a spider, throws needles, and vanishes. She's probably the most traditionally "Japanese" character in Smash Bros., and none of that works at all for a Western pirate.
And the fact remains that the character files are called "Toon Sheik." Nobody else has a bizarre code name for no reason. It doesn't matter how weird it might seem that Toon Sheik doesn't technically exist in the Zelda games -- all we have to go by are those file names. Anything else is pure fantasy/assumption unless Sakurai comes out and tells us what his plans were.
Best to just use the ignore list function, unless you become a moderator some day. Despite the rules, nobody really cares about them, this issue is always overlooked on this site across many threads and more specifically in Nintendo community threads. Even after a few members have been banned, they still don't care and repeat this. This is coming from someone who's dealt with a lot of this nonsense for a while here.
Also, not SmashGAF IRC, but a lot of people who control the IRCs on this site (not NeoGAF official IRC either), but more particularly the Nintendo ones tend to also be a part of AnimeGAF where stuff like "Waifu" and pervertedness is pretty much the main discussion, so these same people who have more authority across the IRCs influence others and in the threads, usually in Nintendo game threads. IntelliHeath isn't like this, however.
I'm with you, I didn't come to these threads to see fetishism and lust for 2D characters, or referring to women's breasts as "talent", which is incredibly annoying to see, but there really isn't much you can do about these people I'm afraid to say. They'll do it regardless even if a mod steps in and tells them no, they simply do not care.
What you're basically saying is they can make up a whole playable character that doesn't exist. Making up moves is completely fine. Changing the design a bit to match the style or the rest of the roster is fine. Making up a character is way too far-fetched.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Well put. One problem though... The ignore function doesn't mask posts when they're quoted, so it is very hard to escape it all. :/ Suppose I'll have to get used to it if I want to be part of a Smash community that isn't totally awful.
Probably. There are some people who will hack for sport, though.
So basically pro wrestling fans.
Benzychenz
Member
Come into this thread to read some nice discussion and it's just arguments about pedantic stuff. Urgh.
lazybones18
Banned
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
The quality of this community isn't pedantic, especially considering it does sometimes inhibit this good discussion you want.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
First will probably be Little Mac followed by Villager. Then random newcomers.
Red Arremer
Member
I've made it a tradition to always play as Mario first. He's supposed to be the average guy in all things, which makes it easy for me to get used to the speed and physics of the game.
Just out of the new characters:
1. Villager
2. Rosalina
3. WFT
4. Little Mac
5. Mega Man
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I played as Samus for the first time in Brawl. I hadn't actually played the game yet because of the infamous Wii laser glitch; much to my behest. I then found out, further to my behest, Samus played quite differently in Brawl. Floors were wiped with myself.
PorygonVandal
Member
Depending if Luigi is unlockable from the beginning...
1.- Luigi
2.- Little Mac
3.- Mega Man
4.- Villager
5.- Wii Fit Trainer
If he isn't
1.- Little Mac
2.- Mega Man
3.- Villager
4.- Wii Fit Trainer
5.- Rosalina
1.- Luigi
2.- Little Mac
3.- Mega Man
4.- Villager
5.- Wii Fit Trainer
If he isn't
1.- Little Mac
2.- Mega Man
3.- Villager
4.- Wii Fit Trainer
5.- Rosalina
Green Mamba
Member
Toon Sheik is no more made up than Twilight Princess Sheik. One just has scrapped concept art to work from, concept art that, I will remind you, was not known about until after Sheik was revealed for Brawl.
theprodigy
Member
1. Rosalina
2. Marth, one of my mains for two games straight
3. Lucario?
4. Wii Fit Trainer, for the novelty
5. Toon Link
2. Marth, one of my mains for two games straight
3. Lucario?
4. Wii Fit Trainer, for the novelty
5. Toon Link
lazybones18
Banned
lol, she didn't last long. Fucking jobber
Samus is just too slow. One of the few times where an Other M influence would be good.
1. Mario (has to be the first one I play as)
2. Peach ( Majority of play time)
3. everyone else.
If palutena was already announced, she would be number three lol.
So far:
Little Mac
Mega Man
Marth
Villager
Rosalina
Mac looks like tons of fun, Mega Man is Mega man, Marth is the Smash character I've played the most, and the other two just look new and interesting.
That's changing/updating the design of an existing character.
"Changing the design a bit to match the style or the rest of the roster is fine."
Sheik would have definitely looked off with her Melee look in Brawl.
Benzychenz
Member
1. Mega Man
2. Rosalina
3. Zelda
4. Lucario
5. Link
Need to see how buffed my mains are before I play all the newcomers heh
2. Rosalina
3. Zelda
4. Lucario
5. Link
Need to see how buffed my mains are before I play all the newcomers heh
Green Mamba
Member
Not seeing how designing a "Toon Sheik" is any different outside of scale of redesign.
theprodigy
Member
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Then again, Zero Suit is a whole other level to playing as Samus, so it isn't all bad.
Green Mamba
Member
I don't think anyone wants Toon Sheik, that'd be terrible.
PadWarrior
Member
First I'll try out Mario (my main from all Smash games) then Mega Man and Little Mac.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I think creating a Twilight Princess Sheik was a stretch to be honest, there was, as you say, no other direct equivalent. They'll probably keep her having opted for more of a Twilight/OoT-esque Zelda than SS Zelda. Tetra does make complete sense though, and I think most people with common sense would agree.
I am going to main the fuck out of Villager. Animal Crossing is my favorite Nintendo series by far (save for maybe Smash!) and I was always peeved by Sakurai discounting him as a playable.