And Man Of Steel movie was based off Superman Earth One, a source material worse than New 52.
Captain America 3 to square off against Batman/Superman in 2016
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And Man Of Steel movie was based off Superman Earth One, a source material worse than New 52.
Phoenician_Viking
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I don´t think Cap can compete against Batman and Supes.
Heh, the sequel that includes Batman, WW, and others. The movie was disappointing to WB or else Superman would have a stand alone sequel.
Heh, the sequel that includes Batman, WW, and others. The movie was disappointing to WB or else Superman would have a stand alone sequel.
Lee Chaolan
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Shining Sunshine
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Cap 3 will feature a new sidekick greater than all DC heroes.
Rocket Raccoon
PhoncipleBone
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No love for Dark Horse, Image, IDW, or others?
I kid. I know that if you like both of the big two equally, then you are most likely willing to try anything from any company. Good stuff is good stuff, who cares which company puts it out.
crimsonspider89
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My problem with Nu52 is that a lot of its books have the same artstyle thus the same feel.
Finally got a new DC book with Harley Quinn solo by Jimmy Pamiotti and art by Amanda Connor.
Marvel has some really good isolated books right now from big events.
Hawkeye, Black Widow, Uncanny Avengers, She Hulk, Mighty Avengers.
I would recommend those. X-men books, would be Amazing X-Men as of right now.
Finally got a new DC book with Harley Quinn solo by Jimmy Pamiotti and art by Amanda Connor.
Marvel has some really good isolated books right now from big events.
Hawkeye, Black Widow, Uncanny Avengers, She Hulk, Mighty Avengers.
I would recommend those. X-men books, would be Amazing X-Men as of right now.
Yea I thought that movie was extremely average. All I remember is being bored.
You aren't New 52 Batman, Green Arrow (Lemire), Aquaman , and some of Justice League (Atlantis/Trinity/Forever) have all been outstanding. Don't care about 50 years of stories being reset, since they had become extremely bogged down by it all.
Bobby Roberts
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Not really. It was based largely off Secret Origins, bits of Birthright, and large chunks of John Byrne's reboot from the mid 80s. I guess there's some Earth One in there as well, but it's really just a Goyerish Hodge-Podge more than anything.
Which is a real problem as I thought John Byrne's reboot was pretty crap.
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Or maybe he wouldn't. I'm unsure anyone here has the WARNER BROTHERS SECRET PLANS that dictated what direction they were planning on going. But this is that narrative at work again. People don't actually know this is the case, but it SOUNDS GREAT, so we'll just run with it as a demerit against the character.
Also the idea that a sequel with Batman in it somehow is a sign of weakness. Adding Batman to a World's Finest movie seems like it would make sense, to me
SonicMegaDrive
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Yup. Love all those guys, too. There's quality stuff from every company. It's all about the stories. Brand/Company loyalty is foolishness.
Artakartel
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Marvel will blink first. In fact I think they just announced this just for the hype, then back from off later.
To be fair, Captain America, Thor and Iron Man 2 were also hot garbage and people like those movies. There's only been a few good superhero movies for me (Nolan Batmans, Iron Man, Avengers, X2).
I still can't believe some people were complaining that Iron Man 3 wasn't entertaining because they didn't like the twist in it and that it wasn't true to source material or some nonsense. I'm not claiming it's great but at least it was entertaining unlike most of these superhero movies, and that should be the whole point. It was basically a comedy with RDJ and a bit of Iron Man, but you know what, it was fun. As someone who doesn't follow comic books, I'd rather something like that than shit movies like Captain America or Thor. If I have to know your source material to enjoy you because you bore me otherwise, you're shit. It's as simple as that.
Bobby Roberts
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It's pretty likely they wanted somewhere around $750 worldwide, yeah. They fell $80 mil short of that. Slight disappointment, but not the stabbing desperation that triggered a hail mary THROW BATMAN AT IT response that the narrative demands
Cap's shield can withstand the ferocity of the Justice Leag..... I mean Man of Steel sequel.
On serious note, IF they get released on the same weekend Warner Bros. has more to lose than Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios already have a plan mapped out, while WB is still finding its footing. They are dumping a lot of their hopes and money into this movie. If the box office numbers are close in the same weekend, (Let's face it. Cap ain't winning against the Justice League. Even a fervent Marvel fan like I am can't deny that.), Cap just basically dipped into their JLs audience. WB isn't going to be happy with that and hard to build a universe off profit they are disappointed with. I'll be surprised if the budget of the Man of Steel sequel isn't north of $250 million, minus the ad campaign budget.
On serious note, IF they get released on the same weekend Warner Bros. has more to lose than Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios already have a plan mapped out, while WB is still finding its footing. They are dumping a lot of their hopes and money into this movie. If the box office numbers are close in the same weekend, (Let's face it. Cap ain't winning against the Justice League. Even a fervent Marvel fan like I am can't deny that.), Cap just basically dipped into their JLs audience. WB isn't going to be happy with that and hard to build a universe off profit they are disappointed with. I'll be surprised if the budget of the Man of Steel sequel isn't north of $250 million, minus the ad campaign budget.
You should read Earth One, the story is wayyy too similar rather than bits and pieces ---- starts with adult Clark Kent with occasional flashbacks, government has Clark's spaceship, Clark accidentally activated something that later become an alien invasion, superman make first appearance, and final scene has him wear glasses for the first time joining Daily Planet.
Bobby Roberts
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I've read it. It's Straczynski, so it's crap (he's worse than Goyer, honestly)
I've also read a couple interviews where Goyer namechecks Birthright, John Byrne, and Secret Origins as his main inspirations
shira
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If they force WB to spend mos levels in marketing and it bombs and it critically sucks.
That's checkmate. No Justice League, no sequels. ggnore.
Bobby Roberts
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How would Marvel FORCE WB to spend the same amount on marketing that they spent on the previous movie? It seems to me it'd make sense that they'd spend that amount at the minimum whether or not there was another Superhero movie coming out within 2 weeks on either side of it. And I can't imagine an executive not planning for that contingency by now anyway, considering all these studios have a pretty good idea of what their slates look like for the next two years.
If it makes little money, and isn't well recieved by audiences, then yeah, it'll be deemed a failure, but I'm not sure how that ends up being a Marvel-caused "victory" as opposed to a Warner's-assisted failure.
Again - the two studios aren't ACTUALLY trying to destroy each other, no matter what fans might wish to believe
That and Greg Pak's current action comics run.
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I had to be captain America. The only avenger I actually care about. It just had to be.
It'll come, after we get Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
shira
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Scheduling movies on the same date intentionally is not what friendly studios do.How would Marvel FORCE WB to spend the same amount on marketing that they spent on the previous movie? It seems to me it'd make sense that they'd spend that amount at the minimum whether or not there was another Superhero movie coming out within 2 weeks on either side of it. And I can't imagine an executive not planning for that contingency by now anyway, considering all these studios have a pretty good idea of what their slates look like for the next two years.
If it makes little money, and isn't well recieved by audiences, then yeah, it'll be deemed a failure, but I'm not sure how that ends up being a Marvel-caused "victory" as opposed to a Warner's-assisted failure.
Again - the two studios aren't ACTUALLY trying to destroy each other, no matter what fans might wish to believe
Bobby Roberts
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Friendly studios is a pretty funny concept.
Studios try to scare other studios off their projected dates all the time. it's not an act of war. It's just an attempt to secure the most screens for that weekend as a means to maximize their investment. Whether securing that specific weekend makes another studio's picture flop is secondary, if not tertiary.
It's cheap marketing, basically. They don't have to book a single ad in order to get their movie some free presence-of-mind because entertainment news will report on it for them.
peanutbutterlatte
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*Sigh* Bobby, once again, DC and Marvel are in competition whether you like it or not.
Bobby Roberts
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comedy bomb
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This hasn't been officially confirmed yet correct?
If it holds then one would guess it would be Captain America 3 and Dr. Strange for Marvel in 2016.
If it holds then one would guess it would be Captain America 3 and Dr. Strange for Marvel in 2016.
Calamari41
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Does WB actually own DC, or do they just have a longstanding and incredibly good/mutually beneficial relationship and contract? Like the opposite of what Marvel has with the likes of Fox and Sony.
They own DC.
TheKaeptain
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Most of my pull is DC. People are crazy if they think that DC isn't putting out quality.
Warners have owned DC since the 1970s.
Father_Brain
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They could have done the whole shared-universe thing years before Marvel had they thought of it. Not that they would have had the talent in place to pull it off in the 80s or 90s, anyway.
It's genuinely amazing how good DC is at taking precisely the wrong lessons both from Marvel's successes (that the big superhero team-up movie can/should be rushed to in as few steps as possible, that a shared universe can be retroactively grafted onto a film that was never intended to be part of one) and from its own failures (that superhero films need to be grim and gritty to succeed, that Superman and Batman are the only characters who can carry their own films).
That's the short answer. The long one is that that DC was initially owned by a parking conglomerate that later bought Warner Bros. Eventually, after getting into some legal trouble, they decided to spin off their media branches into their own independent company, and both DC and WB were folded into that.
Razgriz-Specter
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No?
It was the first major team up movie and had 3D.
Of course it was going to do better than a solo Batman if it was even remotely good.
And lets not forget that the shooting, be it small or huge effect(still wouldn't have matched Avengers) but it was something.
Not officially announced by Marvel, but their announcements usually come long after the news first breaks anyway. If THR is reporting it, it's a safe bet -- plus I think the Russos corroborated the 2016 date themselves.
I think Dr. Strange as their other movie for that year is a pretty safe bet too.
peanutbutterlatte
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The continued lack of a Mark Hulkalo movie makes me sad 
Marion Cobretti
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Bobby, how much of this stuff is discussed on your podcast? Have a link?
These fanboy wars are on some SNES Genesis level (although truly a much bigger war). It's kinda fun to watch the mental gymnastics some of you are capable of, but I still don't get the hate when you consider we're in a golden era of comic book movies. Granted, there's only been a handful of them that have turned out good, but even then, they're trying harder than ever with them.
That Marvel vs DC |OT| vs Dragonball thread needs to happen.
These fanboy wars are on some SNES Genesis level (although truly a much bigger war). It's kinda fun to watch the mental gymnastics some of you are capable of, but I still don't get the hate when you consider we're in a golden era of comic book movies. Granted, there's only been a handful of them that have turned out good, but even then, they're trying harder than ever with them.
That Marvel vs DC |OT| vs Dragonball thread needs to happen.
Future Foundation
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The continued lack of a Mark Hulkalo movie makes me sad
What's Phase 3 looking like? Ant-Man, Cap 3, Doctor Strange, and what else?
Thor 3 for sure also.
Besides that nothing is certain, rumors of Black Widow, and Captain Marvel being the first female-led superhero flick from Marvel
Anticitizen One
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Their saving Mark Ruffalo for the inevitable PLANET HULK movie after they do the whole Infinity Guantlet story.
It would make so much sense to have Hulk lost in space in the aftermath of that battle.
It would make so much sense to have Hulk lost in space in the aftermath of that battle.
If they structure it like Phase 2 it's just going to be Avengers 3 plus one more film. Probably a Thor or GotG sequel. I know there is a lot more stuff people want to see, but they just don't release to fit everything in there. Hopefully they'll stretch phase 3 out for another year or so, or maybe start doing 3 films every alternating year.
Samuel L. speaking truths.
peanutbutterlatte
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It would, and production shots from Avengers 2 suggests Hulk will be causing mayhem that might earn him such a punishment. But I think Kevin Feige denied that's where they were going with it. I think though if Guardians ends up doing really well somehow they might be more inclined.
FireAndBlood
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According to Feige's plan, this leaves only one sequel spot left before Avengers 3. Either Thor 3 or Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
We get three new franchises. Ant-man, and two unannounced. Dr. Strange and Black Panther probably.
Then three more for phase 4, assuming this continues to 2021.
We get three new franchises. Ant-man, and two unannounced. Dr. Strange and Black Panther probably.
Then three more for phase 4, assuming this continues to 2021.
I don't see it going much past 2018, and if it does at some point the MCU will get wrecked by contracts or age or something, but it'll have been an amazing run
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