#DarkSoulsDowngrade and #YOULIED \\ a.k.a You got some splainin' to do, Namco
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CountAntonius
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It was a question not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. I haven't played the game so I wasn't sure if that screenshot you took was good or bad.
Edit: You dick.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
FWIW you can't change the color range on a XBR960; I was changing the 360's color range in the system settings. The game's black levels looked fine to me on my TV so I'm pretty confused by the brightness problems people are having.
The issue is you are going from one problem to another. Crushed blacks are just as bad as you lose detail.
I understand, but trust me. It's leaps a bounds better...with a little tweaking. Maybe not for every TV, but certainly for mine (PS3).
Garcia
Member
A lot of the smaller changes were probably design choices, like changing the outline of doorways & getting rid of the extra clutter in the hallways or changing the way the sun faces the castle.
The hallway had all the furniture replaced with
3 medium sized mobs inside hanging cages
That wooden bridge to the castle looks really similar to the GIF. There are 6 or 7 dragons flying by (like in the beta) but all the gloomy shadows are now gone. It looks far less dramatic but not necessarily bad per se. Aesthetically speaking, that valley of dragons is one of the stellar areas in the game. There's an awe inspiring atmospheric build up that connects the dragon's nests to the previous boss fight. A beautiful "Praise the Sun" moment.
It's easy to tell that was definitely one of the first areas they worked on from the early stages of the project; really polished and cohesive (despite the lack of lighting). The dragons you fight are also pretty looking.
The room with the dragon skeleton does look bad. Flat, gray, boring textures and the dragon glitches like crazy. He basically goes in an on and off fashion (sections of the skeleton disappearing and reappearing in fractions of a second) every time you pan the camera around. One of the glitchiest places in the entire game.
CountAntonius
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See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Black levels won't be crushed for Dark Souls 2, but they will for every other game you play, so make sure to change it back after playing Dark Souls 2.
They will essentially be displaying what the developer originally intended you to play the game at.
Using the torch is now is a much stronger play mechanic.
The game will look the exact same as what the beta, which was the correct color range.
There are downgrades from the initial reveal,like missing assets & changed geometry & lighting at locations, but they are fairly small.
I don't there would be a 2,000 post thread complaining about a few missing paintings on walls.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Yeah and I'm not getting this effect, not that extreme anyway.
Grinchy
Banned
This is what many people in the thread just don't seem to grasp. What's frustrating isn't the pure fact that there was a major visual downgrade. What's frustrating is that we were purposefully lied to about the product we were preordering.
People come in here and say shit like, "omg guys never trust media before game comes out everything gets downgraded hur hur" but I don't know if we've ever seen a case like this. Downgrades do happen, but we know about them as soon as real media is released. From/Bamco were showing what they claimed to be real media very shortly before the game came out.
The only reason we knew about a downgrade before the launch date was because some people managed to snag copies early.
This seems like a per TV basis problem. And no, this does not make the game look like the beta or the Playstation Access video. Not by a long shot. Trying to blame this based on HDMI levels is quite naive.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
UnrealEck
Member
The videos on Steam look like the original lighting is still in place. The textures also seem nicer and there's better detail on some of the geometry. It's a good bit nicer than the console versions from the videos on the Steam page.
CountAntonius
Member
At best it will be higher resolution textures and the old lighting. It won't be like the reveal footage. people have to let that go as it hasn't been seen or used in previews since that day.
Lucent
Member
I was just through that part of Shaded Woods last night and it didn't look like that at all. lol.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Will probably help once we get the game in our hands, the rez on the videos are pretty low. I really hope the lighting is back!
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Well I guess there is hope!
That silky smooth sub-30 FPS. What a load of horseshit.
"The FEEL of 30fps."
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
This is good.
Sexy, even.
Doesn't look the same as the Alpha build, though, strangely.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
That is definitely outputting the correct color range.
NamcoBandai might still release the PC version with the incorrect range on release as well.
Even if this were true, hardly anyone uses HDMI for their PC. It is usually over DVI, and thus won't be affected.
What? lol how would that even work? From are the ones making the game? How and why would Namco do that?
Oh god. Don't remind me.
Silky smooth compared to a sheet of heavy duty sandpaper.Silky smooth compared to 1-15 fps I guess
UnrealEck
Member
Didn't look like what?
I personally wouldn't put too much stock in any of these screenshots, but particularly not in those which aren't 1080p. Some of the 720p ones look like they were grabbed from a video.
jacksepticeye
Member
I wouldn't trust ENB or German Spy to talk about the visual differences. not because of money or anything like that but because they've seen the game far more in its transitions than we have. We got old builds and then the retail one more or less, so the difference was huge. It was big steps. Those guys likely saw it in a lot of different stages so the degradation didn't seem as drastic
Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
I think this screenshot looks nice. Texture resolution seems better than consoles, colours are spot on and the atmosphere is great.
For one start, they would need access to the source code and master copy.
The more I think about some Namco Bandai agent comically sneaking around From's office at night, the funnier it gets.
No one is being naive here. Full RGB mode on PS3 for my TV (Sharp Aquos) and upping the brightness slider a bit in-game is making a crap-ton of difference. It will never look like the prerelease build footage, but dang does this make a difference for me, with minimal crush now that I've fiddled some more.
It seems to me the guys over at from really liked the SSAO durante implemented in DSfix, lol.
legacyzero
Banned
That... Doesn't look terrible.Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
OverBlood 3
Banned
Where are these videos? You mean the trailers or is there supposed to be something in the community hub that I'm missing?
Goodacre0081
Member
so I already had my PS3 set to Full RGB and the plasma set to the full 0-255 gamut. the in-game gamma calibration is also set to the lowest setting (make sure the dragon isn't visible). I'm still getting a washed out look in the dark areas next to the unlit braziers.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
We wont hear anything, they are hoping people wont learn about this, the 2 weeks after release are key for them, the less they acknowledge it the better.
You see no problems here, be honest
Reveal
1. Amazing Lightning
2. Atmospheric shadows/Lightning reflected on the ground/walls/characters etc
3. Torches on walls and other details throughout
Retail
1. All stuff on the reveal completely gone or reduced (worse blur, smoke effects)
2. Weird green/grey hue everywhere
Im missing tons of stuff in the comparisons too, they are completely different
This scene looks completely different if your fix the color space.
Is lighting still downgraded? It looks more like they made a lot of changes with the light placement, but not necessarily removal it.
Game still used motion based blur, so there is no downgrade in that.
The biggest downgrade was not including some assets from the reveal like chairs, paintings & various minor debris
I'm just making quick edits by lower the shadow detail in these picks, direct feed screens should look better.
This scene looks completely different if your fix the color space.
Is lighting still downgraded? It looks more like they made a lot of changes with the light placement, but not necessarily removal it.
Game still used motion based blur, so there is no downgrade in that.
The biggest downgrade was not including some assets from the reveal like chairs, paintings & various minor debris
I'm just making quick edits by lower the shadow detail in these picks, direct feed screens should look better.
Shadows look darker, highlights look brighter, midrange disappears. Mission accomplished.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
This whole story stinks of publisher fucking over the developer.
Reminds me of Dead or Alive 2 on PS2. The guys at Tecmo asked Tomonobu Itagaki if they could see how the game was progressing.
He gave them a 55% or such build & then didn't hear back from them for a week.
He then one day was walking by a store & saw that they produced & were selling that unfinished build of the game behind his back.
FromSoftware wanted to increase the draw distance & lighting to make the game more accessible they would have done so without setting the flat out wrong color settings.
They still had the correct settings during the beta, so weren't thinking of altering it then.
You aren't fixing the color space, you're breaking it. We have direct feed footage from the game and it has color values in the 0-15 and 235-255 ranges, so the game is not using limited range RGB. Ergo, you're losing information by forcing it to be interpreted in a different color space.
The difference between the various versions is clearly one of different (ambient) illumination levels, not of different color settings (or even different gamma).
Anyway, doesn't anyone with decent capture equipment own any console version of DS2? It seems ridiculous that the majority of the arguments in this thread are based on tiny gifs, screencaps from badly compressed video or off-screen photos. That's no way to conduct a reasonable analysis.
The difference between the various versions is clearly one of different (ambient) illumination levels, not of different color settings (or even different gamma).
Anyway, doesn't anyone with decent capture equipment own any console version of DS2? It seems ridiculous that the majority of the arguments in this thread are based on tiny gifs, screencaps from badly compressed video or off-screen photos. That's no way to conduct a reasonable analysis.
Only way to know is for someone to fire the PS360 and take a screenshot from the same angle
It looks totally different on 360. Specifically, the lighting is completely different. On 360 instead of that deep greenish color it's grey, and there's no SSAO at all. The assets are different too, with the foliage in different spots on the console build.
I preordered the PC CE edition on Amazon for $110. And I'll still love it if runs 25 frames a second at 720p on my i7 4770 and Geforce 780 cause it's fucking Dark Souls 2 and I have been waiting two years to play Dark Souls 2.
I will definitely be bummed if that happened, but it sure as hell isn't going to stop me from enjoying the hell out of the game. But I also see about zero chance of it performing that poorly.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Sooo... here are some STEAM videos for the pc version :
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
I am having some doubts this version is any different than the console version. Hard to say from the videos, but I don't think it has the original lighting system...
This looks pretty much like the muddied console textures :
http://cdn4.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/236430/ss_857348d5a71d559410e92a67b1d9d6847d10f70e.1920x1080.jpg?t=1394819516[/QUOTE]
The trailer on the Steam page is clearly labelled [B]"E3 2013 Trailer".[/B] It's just showing the vertical slice that was used to demo the console versions.
They also mix old a new screenshots. Don't get your hopes up.
For example, they have this one that looks like the retail build:
[IMG]http://cdn4.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/236430/ss_abbbb6c1a1878f591e6a895a17a1870c62380161.1920x1080.jpg?t=1394819516
Mixed with this one that that is straight from the original PC reveal:
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
For example, they have this one that looks like the retail build:
Looks way better than consoles
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
This scene looks completely different if your fix the color space.
Is lighting still downgraded? It looks more like they made a lot of changes with the light placement, but not necessarily removal it.
Game still used motion based blur, so there is no downgrade in that.
The biggest downgrade was not including some assets from the reveal like chairs, paintings & various minor debris
I'm just making quick edits by lower the shadow detail in these picks, direct feed screens should look better.
Try that trick here, doesn't work, shadows are gone:
