E3 and events like E3 keep the general public aware. If you think the Wii, PS4, and Xbox One were/aren't prevalent because of such events, and that it is due to mainstream looking at events like Nintendo Direct or NeoGaf, you're simply wrong. Without these big conferences people wouldn't feel the need to buy a PS4/X1. Businesses don't spend as much as they do on E3 since its inception because the marketing doesn't work.
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What will Nintendo do at E3 2014?
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E3 and events like E3 keep the general public aware. If you think the Wii, PS4, and Xbox One were/aren't prevalent because of such events, and that it is due to mainstream looking at events like Nintendo Direct or NeoGaf, you're simply wrong. Without these big conferences people wouldn't feel the need to buy a PS4/X1. Businesses don't spend as much as they do on E3 since its inception because the marketing doesn't work.
It not as close as you think. Knowing about it isn't the same as watching it. The people who brought the wii did not watch e3 and Ps4 is doing well because of the hardcore.
Why was the Wii U unsuccessful again?
They did it because of the word-of-mouth produced by such events which showed off the "new motion capabilities" in a high exposure setting that is presented to outlets worldwide. It doesn't matter if they physically went and saw the conference.
E3 is not as important as you think it is and those devices would still be selling like they are now without it.
Because of poor marketing to the mass market.
How well known is QoL to the general populace? Let me know when E3 is over. It makes a difference.
So you're saying that the PS4 and the Xbox One are doing very well because of the hardcore, but the Wii U could not do well despite the hardcore?
It will depend on the idea, media exposure and marketing prior to release which isn't dependent on an E3 presentation at all.
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That's only a part of it.
Other than the Wii fad, they're consoles have been declining in sales generation to generation ever since the NES.
The mass market long shifted from platformers, party games and cartoony looking games being system sellers, to shooters, sports games, GTA etc. selling systems. People will buy those other genres in pretty big numbers, but there aren't 80 million+ who will buy consoles for them (especially a console that mostly only has those things as exclusives) like there was for 360 and PS3.
The GC sold what, 22 million? Continuing the downward trend in sales sans the Wii blip, even a properly marketed Wii U would probably top out at 15-20 million in sales and finish in a distant third.
That said, maybe they can find a way to sell enough games and accessories to that size market to make a big profit and stick around. And great for them if they can.
I hear people talking about Animal Crossing U but do we have any information on this, maybe even just a rumor? Or is it just pure speculation?
Because clearly I can't see them releasing another Animal Crossing game before at least one year or two (and who knows if the Wii U will still be alive by then). If they release an half-assed attempt to cash in on the phenomenon à la "Animal Crossing: City Folk", then that would be deeply insulting. That game was trash.
Because clearly I can't see them releasing another Animal Crossing game before at least one year or two (and who knows if the Wii U will still be alive by then). If they release an half-assed attempt to cash in on the phenomenon à la "Animal Crossing: City Folk", then that would be deeply insulting. That game was trash.
Maybe you can answer: why is it that so many companies continue to invest a lot of money, time and effort into E3 presentations when Nintendo is apparently smarter than they are and have apparently realized that all of that is a waste?
By many you mean like four companies. Most companies don't have e3 presentations.
But according to you, if a product is announced and a general idea of what it's going to be is there,sales would remain the same regardless, due to it still having the same audience it normally would. It has little to do with the presentation itself.
It has more to do with exposure and word-to-mouth advertising that comes from.
People pay attention to big flashy stages regardless of what you personally care about. It's proven as a fact business-wise. According to you people won't watch E3 or be affected by the news, but yet how will they know about the QoL magically after their conference?
Spieler Eins
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PS4 is doing great because it's been present in all mainstream media and reaching casuals, just like the Wii back in the day, starting off with a proper hype building which in both cases began at the pre-launch E3 (You can't have a successful console without casuals and the audience for a CoD or AC certainly doesn't consist of hardcore gamers for the most part either). The WiiU is a terrible product to begin with, but Nintendo isn't exactly helping by distancing themselves from everyone else and doing some isolated, awkward pre-recorded show featuring a not so eloquent CEO, telling you the news for the upcoming year in broken English in front of a white screen. The format is a good enough idea for small fanservice throughout the year, but as a replacement for a proper conferences at major events it will simply make them look even more irrelevant and more of a laughing stock among people interested in E3, which automatically halts any kind of further hype building outside of that.
No, I am not just talking about E3 conferences because, if you had paid attention to the conversation, you would realize that Sandfox was talking about E3 in general.
But sure, we could reduce that to simply the conferences: why does Sony, Microsoft, EA and Ubisoft invest in yearly conferences when it is apparently a waste of money, time and effort? Or maybe you just can't give an answer, which is why you're content with giving replies like the above.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
All we know is that the Animal Crossing Wii U plaza closes at the end of 2014. Many people assume that's because a real AC Wii U game will exist by then.
E3 is still an event where all of the media can come together and try out/report on upcoming games so its good from that standpoint.
All I said is that the E3 presentation itself isn't all that important when you consider that only gamers are watching it and the media is already on the showfloor.
You're the one who's saying that the PS4 and XB1 owe their success to E3 and comparing the event to the Super Bowl which is ridiculous.
To build hype by using the press and word of mouth.
Wait, how is it helpful for companies to invest money and effort when it won't improve their sales at all? Media coming together and reporting on upcoming games apparently won't improve sales, according to you, so why bother?
What's the point of building hype and using press for word of mouth if it doesn't translate to sales?
You guys are starting to contradict yourselves; it's kinda hilarious.
Which lead to more sales. What exactly are you trying to argue?
No you said that E3 doesn't affect consumers at all and that sales would be the same regardless. It's ok to admit you're wrong.
I said events such as E3 and similar settings provide a boost in exposure and sales. Which you agree with?
Edit: Lol Flux, nice to see I'm not the only person here confused as hell as to what they're arguing.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
who is this 'mainstream person' that follows E3?
The Hermit
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Grimløck;105528854 said:
amazing how it still works
StreetsAhead
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Hiding somewhere with Bigfoot.
I hope they have a great, bombastic E3 conference in the vein of their E3 2004 or E3 2010. Those were amazing... but I really doubt anything like that will happen.
What the hell happened to you, Nintendo?
They really need to move away from this Wii/DS era persona they have. It's just not working.
What the hell happened to you, Nintendo?
They really need to move away from this Wii/DS era persona they have. It's just not working.
People who know nothing about Marketing should really just stop talking about Marketing. Unless you spent four years in college studying Marketing, or at least have some experience in the area, you probably have no idea what you are talking about, unless you can back up your arguments with facts that real Marketers would support.
Marketing is kinda all made up, anyone's opinion is valid because it's nearly impossible to measure. It's like the science of meme generation.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Some powerful delusion in this thread. Anyone who thinks Nintendo has the same impact with these low-budget, overly-minimalist deadpan Directs is deceiving himself. They're a weak replacement for a proper show, and insulting the general public for being confused or not knowing about them is pretty damn desperate of us. Is E3 awkward and weird sometimes? Yeah, mostly to those of us scrutinizing every minute, but not so much to casual observers. Any moments of oddness are overshadowed by the immense exposure and overall spectacle of the whole show (stuff like FIVE HUNDRED NINENTY US DOLLARS which directly affect the lay person into gaming are the exception).
Not everyone watches E3 live, but the general public is aware it exists and tons of big news is generated by each console manufacturer's presentation that ends up reaching a wide number of eyes and ears. Hardcore only? Absolutely not. A Simpsons episode from a couple of years ago had a prominent scene taking place in an E3 clone called "E4," which is as mainstream as it gets (hold your irrelevant opinions about modern day Simpsons).
Not everyone watches E3 live, but the general public is aware it exists and tons of big news is generated by each console manufacturer's presentation that ends up reaching a wide number of eyes and ears. Hardcore only? Absolutely not. A Simpsons episode from a couple of years ago had a prominent scene taking place in an E3 clone called "E4," which is as mainstream as it gets (hold your irrelevant opinions about modern day Simpsons).
I hope they have a great, bombastic E3 conference in the vein of their E3 2004 or E3 2010. Those were amazing... but I really doubt anything like that will happen.
What the hell happened to you, Nintendo?
They really need to move away from this Wii/DS era persona they have. It's just not working.
2004 and 2010 were amazing because the developers had enough time to develop their great games and show them.
This will be Nintendo's 2nd E3 after the Wii U launched. Around 1,5 years after it to be precise. People need to set their expectation according to that. Zelda U will probably be announced (release date: sometime 2015) and be released in the 3rd quater of 2015 (my prediction).
Wolfgang Jr
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I would seriously love it if everyone gets to the end of Ninty's presentation; the lights darken; Zelda music starts; crowd erupts; Zelda trailer starts...........
Hyrule Warriuuuuuuuuuuu!
Hyrule Warriuuuuuuuuuuu!
Yes, but in marketing these are all indirect. The only way to know if it is in fact your marketing that is driving the product is to stop marketing it and see if sales plummet. A valid KPI is how many likes your Facebook page has.
How is this news distributed these days? Back when we didn't have internet, this news got to the consumer almost solely through word of mounth/video game magazines.
These days everyone and their grandmother is connected to the interent and uses it as their main information tool. Especially those who are interested in the E3. Whenever and however Nintendo announces new things, you'll be sure TONS of "gaming journalists" will be picking up on it in no time.
The usual forum dwellers even faster. Nintendo Directs are super effective and cost efficient.
MikeE21286
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They'll come to the show and ignore everyone else exists, announce their planned titles and then go home.
It will be completely and utterly unspectular or exciting
Next year they announce new hardware
It will be completely and utterly unspectular or exciting
Next year they announce new hardware
MikeE21286
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how would you accurately measure marketing's influnce on KPIs
I don't get excited for the presentations, I get excited for the games. That's is gonna be the measurement of how exciting their announcments will be.
The last sentance is complete bullshit, lol, unless you mean a minor 3DS hardware revision or something. I that case I could see that happening.
Having a Nintendo direct instead of a press conference is like having the World Series of Baseball in a closed off venue with lots of cameras but no fans. Sure, everyone at home can see the game itself all the same, but it just wouldn't feel as cool or important without the crowd.
I mean, just imagine what this moment would have been like if their were no fans-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1raoqHZkU
As a person who was lucky enough to be there, I still get chills to this day when I think about that game.
I mean, just imagine what this moment would have been like if their were no fans-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1raoqHZkU
As a person who was lucky enough to be there, I still get chills to this day when I think about that game.
MikeE21286
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QoL, Wii U replacement, 3DS hardware for 2016. They need to have something to spur the company. They're in an utter decline.
If they don't announce new hardware next year than I had better be completely wrong about their E3 this year then and they better knock our socks off or Iwata will be gone.
That why I said utter bullshit
QoL could be anything and doesn't neccessaritly have to be announced at E3. 3DS hardware revision could be a thing, though.
It's even more hilarious when people say that Nintendo could omit being at E3 altogether and it wouldn't change anything.
I don't think I've seen a single person in this thread say that. could be wrong though..
Or that sales and exposure would remain constant if E3 or other venues never existed in the first place.
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Definitely true.
I have a hard time seeing them not announcing some new hardware at E3 2015. Even if it's just previewing a 2016 reveal, if sales continue to suck for the Wii U (and that's almost a definite) they just can't wait any longer to at least show some new hardware. Unless they just plan on giving up on home consoles. Then they can just ride it and the 3DS out another year or two longer before putting out a new portable (and maybe bundling it with a TV HDMI dongle).
the post that Sandfox was replying to was specifically about the press conference. I would hope that was implied in the response as well
StreetsAhead
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I mean, we say no surprises, but how many people predicted DS on the VC, or The Wonderful 101, or Bayonetta 2, or SMT X FE, or Yarn Yoshi, or Hyrule Warriors?
Whether or not these are games that people want, or will excite people, or save the Wii U, Nintendo has proven themselves capable of announcing games out of (relatively) no where. Predicting what they're going to do can be easy on some aspects, sure. But not everything.
Whether or not these are games that people want, or will excite people, or save the Wii U, Nintendo has proven themselves capable of announcing games out of (relatively) no where. Predicting what they're going to do can be easy on some aspects, sure. But not everything.
I'm just excited for Pokken & Seaman.
That's what I would hope as well because the former makes no sense, but they didn't make it seem that way to me.
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