Google has held fund raisers for an anti gay politician.
In general if you are going to look at the various ways these big corporations come in contact with social issues you will likely be disappointed.
New Mozilla (Firefox) CEO Brendan Eich Donated To Anti-Gay Charity - Boycott Started!
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Google has held fund raisers for an anti gay politician.
In general if you are going to look at the various ways these big corporations come in contact with social issues you will likely be disappointed.
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Gentleman Jack
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If only Brendan Eich shared this view...
Monocle
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Does this apply for you in all cases or is it a matter of degree? What if he'd given financial support to Uganda's Kill the Gays bill?
Personally, I feel like anyone who donates toward an explicitly discriminatory cause is a vile dirtbag.
regardless of what you think of Brendan Eich, taking it out on Mozilla isn't the way to go. If Mozilla were using his private donations to political or religious groups as a criteria in promotion/hiring/firing decisions, they'd be in a lot of hot water.
It's irrelevant, because he doesn't live in Uganda. Had he been involved with a group that advocates KILLING of other people and works towards such a goal, they'd likely run afoul of current US laws and would be a completely different scenario.
Comparing Prop 8 support to murdering people in a foreign land are some impressive gymnastics.
It's irrelevant, because he doesn't live in Uganda. Had he been involved with a group that advocates KILLING of other people and works towards such a goal, they'd likely run afoul of current US laws and would be a completely different scenario.
Comparing Prop 8 support to murdering people in a foreign land are some impressive gymnastics.
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Nope, still not installing Chrome.
I mean, yeah this is terrible, but I don't think I'll make my life harder by switching everything I'm used to over to Chrome (I like Chrome as a secondary browser anyways) or participate in a futile boycott over this. I'm also a loyal Nike buyer, and they've done much worse and the company itself is actually accountable for what they do.
He's not the only one at Firefox/Mozilla either. Sounds kind of extreme to not support any of them so long as someone in power is prejudiced.
He's not the only one at Firefox/Mozilla either. Sounds kind of extreme to not support any of them so long as someone in power is prejudiced.
Taking it out on Mozilla? LOL, not using their product is hardly 'taking it out on'.
Kai Dracon
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On one hand, there's the old saw about "Well every corporation has dealt with someone who funded something sketchy, all products around you are therefore dirty." That may be true.
On the other hand, making it a point to say it's not okay for a company to promote a person who doesn't merely have an "opinion" but is was an actual funder of something ethically questionable, may cause companies in general to think twice about those sketchy subjects. Lest seemingly small things turn into something big later.
Many are apathetic and cynical about such things, yet this is the only way social change ever happens. By people deciding it's not acceptable to do shit like throw money at people who advocate oppressing others.
On the other hand, making it a point to say it's not okay for a company to promote a person who doesn't merely have an "opinion" but is was an actual funder of something ethically questionable, may cause companies in general to think twice about those sketchy subjects. Lest seemingly small things turn into something big later.
Many are apathetic and cynical about such things, yet this is the only way social change ever happens. By people deciding it's not acceptable to do shit like throw money at people who advocate oppressing others.
a Master Ninja
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I'm speaking with my wallet and will never buy another Firefox.
So we have all these people who all of a sudden want to boycott and otherwise harm Mozilla because they...followed the law and didn't use an employee's political/religious/personal life as a basis for promotion/hiring? What did you want Mozilla to do? I don't get it.
When I interview people at work, some HR suit meets with us and hands us an interview packet. 2/3 of the content of the interview packet are THINGS NOT TO ASK and supporting materials to let you know just how important that THINGS NOT TO TALK ABOUT section really is.
Politics, religious beliefs, personal questions are all waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the table.
Should have been first post, yeah you can hate on him personally for whatever the reason. But it is his right to do what he did. If he is a competent and accomplished CEO, and drives Mozilla forward, he should remain as such. Firefox is bigger than one person anyways, boycotting it is silly. If what he did was legal and he didn't harm or seek to harm or directly disrespect anything you should respect his personal choices.
That being said if you have ideological reasons to boycott that is totally your right too, I won't be personally.
Also being for prop 8 and being against gay marriage does not equate to being anti gay or harboring animosity to gays. That's how I see it anyways.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
How exactly Im I giving FireFox money with their free browser anyways?
PhoenixDark
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I'm not concerned what he uses his personal money on, as it has no bearing on the product his company presents. I'll still be using Mozilla because it's the best browser in my opinion.
Gentleman Jack
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Read the article. This is about developers dropping support for the platform, not people 'buying Firefox.'
What I would have wanted Mozilla to do would be not make him CEO. Hell, he lives in an 'at wil'l state does he not? They could fire him and still be legal (don't think they should do that). It is not complicated. Are you not for corporate rights in terms of employment?
And you are going off the deep end here. 'And otherwise harm'? Who has said that? No one. Until you actually have a point, I'm not going to bother. Otherwise your post is just 'oh no. the market might be responding in a way I don't approve of, please stop hurting the corporations'.
Uhm, i do have a point. My point is that what you, and others want, IT IS ILLEGAL.
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ComputerMKII
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Opposing gay marriage is 'anti-gay' and 'hateful'? Hahaha, OK.
It can be construed as such very easily yes, but the issue here that pretty much everyone seems to be unwilling to grasp is that federal law prohibits Mozilla from using this as a strike against his promotion or as a reason to dismiss him. So any boycotts of Mozilla are really kind of dumb.
Monocle
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I think you're sidestepping the point and being pretty obtuse here. I was obviously not comparing supporting Prop 8 to supporting the Kill the Gays bill. I asked you a very simple question to find out if you really believe that "What people do with their own money on their own time is their business." You proceeded to ignore the context and my clear intent and set up a ridiculous strawman. Well done.
Clearly. Unless you are a gold medal winning mental gymastics champion.
Gentleman Jack
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Of course, if the boycott succeeds and Mozilla's ability to raise funds or improve the quality of the brand suffers, then the board could dismiss him on those grounds. This is ideally how you want the market to function.
Except then he would have a pretty convincing EEO discrimination case on his hands. And he'd probably win.
And you've completely ignored everything i've mentioned about WHY Mozilla couldn't just factor this in to his promotion, or use it to dismiss him like others have suggested. It's right there in Federal EEO laws. There's really nothing more for me to say.
victreeb3l
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Only time I use Firefox are during cross browser compatibility tests. As lame as Chrome has been lately, its still my default.
FF still has the prettiest dev tools though.
FF still has the prettiest dev tools though.
Freaky Fred
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aside from Pretty Raheem, none of those interest me
And why the fuck did I just google "anal prolapse"
Monocle
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You're right, there's probably an ethical, respectable, and nice-sounding way to tell committed gay couples that their love is illegitimate and unworthy of the same legal recognition as the 12 chuckleheads who just got drunkenly hitched in Las Vegas.
I don't get why anyone would boycott them just because of one man's personal views which don't affect the company he works for. The nazi comparisons are far fetched. Proposition 8 didn't call for mass murder or lynchings. It was a something the that public voted on and 52% of voters agreed with. Should we boycott all these millions of people for not agreeing with us? Apparently gaf says yes, let's boycott their businesses and anything they are involved with. That is bigotry
Exactly.
What someone does with their money is their own business providing it's not going to break laws.
FYI - Bigotry might become legal in Australia.
Why would they boycott Firefox browser though? The man used his personal funds to support it. Did they hire him for his technical knowledge or because of his anti-gay support?
I mean people are free to do what they want, but come on. You can use the argument that "would so and so support if they found out CEO said this". But at the end of the day, how does his hiring impact the browser in any way shape or form?
I mean people are free to do what they want, but come on. You can use the argument that "would so and so support if they found out CEO said this". But at the end of the day, how does his hiring impact the browser in any way shape or form?
Monocle
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The misleading propaganda and millions of dollars that Mormons threw at Prop 8 definitely had no influence there. Besides which, isn't there some principle about the tyranny of the majority that we should invoke here? I think it's something along the lines of, "Minorities deserve equal rights, but only as long as most people agree it's a good idea."
*sigh* I like Firefox too
what an asshat
Hello Chrome & Opera
Exactly
It's also pretty easy and painfree to switch browsers
what an asshat
Hello Chrome & Opera
Exactly
It's also pretty easy and painfree to switch browsers
Ah yes, the old "We're not bigots, YOU'RE bigots for not tolerating our intolerance!" card. Come the fuck on, choosing to not give your business to people who voted to keep civil rights from gay people is a form of bigotry now? Seriously, come on. I don't personally intend on boycotting Mozilla- this browser was created by and is supported by thousands of people who are not this guy- but let's not kid ourselves here: voting for Prop 8 is a real piece of shit, vile thing to do, and it isn't bigotry to (rightfully) be wary of giving business to those who supported it.
My point that I want Mozilla not to promote him is illegal? Good luck, go try arguing that the next time a cafe worker gets fired for some some trivial personal shit and the argument is 'it reflects on the company'. With more power comes more responsibility.
Please wiki Equal Employment Oppurtunity. Using a poltical/religious cause that an individual donates to as a consideration in employment is illegal under US law.
-MD-
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Had to check to see if I was in a Chrome thread.
Good for him. Firefox has been shit for a while now. It's slow, it's a resource hog, and the UI is near obsolete. I would think this news would only help accelerate the demise of such a shitty browser.
Opera is truly the best out there, it is criminally underrated. Chrome is at a close second.
Opera is truly the best out there, it is criminally underrated. Chrome is at a close second.
Ken Masters
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And holding back their salaries
NekoFever
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They get money from search engines every time you use the browser's built-in search.
America is so fucked up. This hateful shit is not something a company can consider, but someone's sexuality or any number of other things is? Fuck that. And fuck anyone that supports that.
Edit:L Also, it would have been a bit simpler if you had fucking said that in the first place.
Exotoro
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Because he doesn't want me to be married. That's why. It's pretty personal.
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