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10 Poverty Myths, Busted
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It reads like the myths are what is posted in the OP.
Myth in bold.
Damn.
Is it that hard to click a link so the OP doesn't take ALL the content from the site? Although, stupid mobile link not having a link to the desktop site is a bit shit.
Exotoro
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was under the impression he was taking snippets from the article, not taking the whole explanations.
FritoBandito
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Click the link.
Proper etiquette is to post some of the article, but not all of it, so the content writers get money for their work. Posting articles wholesale is pretty equivalent to a magazine scan.
What? Weren't we told we needed all these programs to fight poverty? And that they'd help the poor? Well, guess we just need to throw more money at it as usual. After all, the real point is to say you're fighting poverty, not to actually get results. See also: War on Drugs.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Who honestly believes any of those
The Abominable Snowman
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I don't see any stats on Refrigerators.
increased gov spending on the middle class and the poor does help the economy, and programs to help the poor should stay in place, increase funding, or at least be made better in some way. The poverty line doesn't take into account food stamps or other federal benefits, so people actually are doing better than what the figure suggests.
I know people with a doctorate who are barely getting by making around 50k a year with a family of four.
AMERICA
Kind of like news on the economy. The political side of me wants to cheer it on because it can help the sitting President which is great if you support him, but the realist in me understands the countless people who have been forgotten for simply being unemployed for too long.
They say the economy is getting better, but for who? The job market sure looked good between January-Early March and now it's back to absolutely nothing again but the worst jobs/stuff with high turnover.
Our country has turned into a parody of itself. This has been 30+ years in the making.
AMERICA
Kind of like news on the economy. The political side of me wants to cheer it on because it can help the sitting President which is great if you support him, but the realist in me understands the countless people who have been forgotten for simply being unemployed for too long.
They say the economy is getting better, but for who? The job market sure looked good between January-Early March and now it's back to absolutely nothing again but the worst jobs/stuff with high turnover.
Our country has turned into a parody of itself. This has been 30+ years in the making.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
it's not. each point starts with a myth and proceeds to bust it.
lol, damn talk about completely misreading this.
Cow Mengde
Banned
I'm surprise not more people are talking about this one. Very eye raising.
Pagusas
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So what causes someone to be poor, I'd like to see the research into that and a full understanding of the choices one makes (or doesn't) that leads to not having skills to enter a even low level position that pays more than 30k a year? Especially people with degrees?
How much of being is poor is a choice made by the person to not increase their skills, or find new avenues of making money rather than sticking with something that isn't working? How much of it is just a bad situation, too many kids (can we consider that a bad life choice too in certain situations?) racked up medical bills, having to support other family, disabilities? How much of that percentage is people who just won't work?
I'm asking this out of true curiosity as you never see these studies linked with information that talks about the actual job situations they are quoting numbers for. I want to know the situational science behind everything.
How much of being is poor is a choice made by the person to not increase their skills, or find new avenues of making money rather than sticking with something that isn't working? How much of it is just a bad situation, too many kids (can we consider that a bad life choice too in certain situations?) racked up medical bills, having to support other family, disabilities? How much of that percentage is people who just won't work?
I'm asking this out of true curiosity as you never see these studies linked with information that talks about the actual job situations they are quoting numbers for. I want to know the situational science behind everything.
It's definitely disgusting, but nothing new. Even most people I know acknowledge that a master's degree is the new bachelor's, and that a bachelor's won't get you anywhere.
It blows my mind that these are even myths. More like ignorant, absolutely unfounded fucking opinions.
To entertain this on a very basic level, by making income a must, a have to, you automatically create a situation where one can be a have not. Our culture by its systematic means of distribution (money) is the cause of poverty. With technology getting more advanced, and more people on the planet, this pushes more people into the have not category, as well as raising the costs for what already is in place, like health care, education, and even what is needed for entry level work.
The entire house of cards for our culture has become a cancer, but we're hellbent on seeing how big we can make this tumor before it kills this framework. It will be very interesting to see when it crumbles. Not if, when, and probably in our lifetimes.
To entertain this on a very basic level, by making income a must, a have to, you automatically create a situation where one can be a have not. Our culture by its systematic means of distribution (money) is the cause of poverty. With technology getting more advanced, and more people on the planet, this pushes more people into the have not category, as well as raising the costs for what already is in place, like health care, education, and even what is needed for entry level work.
The entire house of cards for our culture has become a cancer, but we're hellbent on seeing how big we can make this tumor before it kills this framework. It will be very interesting to see when it crumbles. Not if, when, and probably in our lifetimes.
Yes.
need more info -- what if most of these 1.1 million people were artists?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
We are winning the war on poverty, on a global scale.
Not that it helps Americans who can't afford to stay healthy
Not that it helps Americans who can't afford to stay healthy
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
This one resonates strongly with me.
OminoMichelin
Member
Same. Fucking shameful.
This misrepresents the handout argument. Sure in the 80s this was the main citation but in the past 15 years it's all about medical insurance.
Why else do you think there is a huge disconnect between realizing Obamacare is ACA?
A bunch of people getting medical coverage think undeserving people are getting handouts.
It is very sad how too many people think like this.
Pagusas
Elden Member
For it to crumble would mean a fundamental shift in how we value time, property and individualism. You speak of this as if its some easy choice the human race can make to change our systems of how individuals work. To change an entire way of thinking for a species that's spent the last 20,000 years basically working off a system of currency will require something like a total collapse of society.
David Incorporated Esq.
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The article doesn't state whether or not those kids are also drunks.
onadesertedisland
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America likes to star wars on concepts and ideas. War on drugs. War against failing schools. War on poverty.
And none of that works.
The strange mentality that everything can be fixed with a violent approach.
And none of that works.
The strange mentality that everything can be fixed with a violent approach.
OminoMichelin
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A lot of college majors are a waste of money. In all honesty, I think college is the best investment for the sciences, math/engineering, and computer related fields.
The entire idea is a pipe dream. I've seen the idea posted here more than a few times that people shouldn't have to work, we shouldn't have money, etc. and it's ridiculous and will never happen. It's like the kind of shit a pothead would think about while he's sitting on the couch trying to contemplate paying his bills without having to getting a job.
College is a good investment for society, period. The problem is we've started thinking of it as job training and made it ridiculously expensive.
CyclopsRock
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I'm not sure "degree no longer means good salary" is really a problem. Not all degrees were born equal, by any means. The fact they are all bachelors degrees is basically a technicality.
Sorry, it's best I could do on short notice. And those microwave stats. lolol
Battersea Power Station
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It just paints a stark contrast between how things were 50 years ago for example, when having a bachelor's meant a job that can support a family.
It also makes things extra scary because all those degrees mean people in debt with no income to pay it off.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yes, but we absolutely need to change the rhetoric that we use to sell our kids on going to college "because a degree will get you a good job and a stable future"
20,000 years? wtf are you talking about. The way we incorporate capitalism and labor into our society today is largely a byproduct of the industrial revolution. It's been less than 200 years, not 20,000.
Irregardless, it's Technology that's going to bring about the change, just as it was Technology that brought about the industrial revolution and all the change that came with it. What do you think is going to happen when AI and Robotics advances to the point where the majority of our labor force is automated? That's not a question of if, but a question of when...and the when is going to happen alot sooner than you realize. Within your lifetime.
70% unemployment and a huge swath of people living in poverty is going to force people to change the way they value "...time, property and individualism."
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