New Mozilla (Firefox) CEO Brendan Eich Donated To Anti-Gay Charity - Boycott Started!

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OrangeJulius said:
Glad I don't live in that world or I'd have been shot by now for being a sarcastic twat.
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You actually wouldn't, because not murdering is extremely easy. I've committed precisely 0 murders and 0 rapes in all my years of living, because not doing those things is extremely easy. And those are easy to not do because I have no desire to do them. Now I have lied a lot. Most humans have. And that is because giving up lying is really difficult for most. If someone can give up lying completely, they are more moral. But I don't by the argument that I'm just as bad as a murdering rapist because I can't eliminate lying from my list of moral infractions. At least I can eliminate some moral infractions.

And maybe I need to stress this, but I'm neither boycotting nor calling for a boycott of Firefox.
 
OrangeJulius said:
I can agree with all of that. I just hope that the boycott doesn't catch on to the point that Mozilla loses money and has to lay off employees that had nothing to do with the CEO being a prick. It won't, I realize this, but you never know. I'm just saying I'd feel bad, I don't know about the rest of you.
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Well, that's why the boycott started internally at Mozilla. They knew this was bad news for their job.

There's a chance real change can happen now and that the company can turn this negative into a really big positive.
 
CornBurrito said:
Being moral is doing what is hard. But we aren't capable of being perfectly moral and at the very least we should do the easy stuff rather than doing nothing.
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What? Like boycotting a browser over a CEO's stupidity? All while we post this drivel from our smart phones built by child labor whilst chowing on a big mac with a large coke?

Except for Liu, he'd get the veggie big mac. And that's not a knock I was veggie for many years, never felt better than during that time.
 
OrangeJulius said:
What? Like boycotting a browser over a CEO's stupidity? All while we post this drivel from our smart phones built by child labor whilst chowing on a big mac with a large coke?

Except for Liu, he'd get the veggie big mac.
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You seem to be struggling here so I'll say it again: I'm not talking about why we should boycott Firefox. Anyway you keep ignoring all the rest of my post and picking individual lines to snark at. I get it, you don't want an actual discussion and your earlier post about being interested in other opinions was a lie. Bye then.
 
I don't know if it counts as boycotting Firefox (it's powered by Mozilla), but damn if Waterfox isn't fast.

Thanks for the recommendation!
 
So on one hand, the browser I'm currently using has an idiot as a CEO.

But on the other hand, ew Google.

Going to stick with Firefox until the company as a whole does something stupid.
 
CornBurrito said:
You seem to be struggling here so I'll say it again: I'm not talking about why we should boycott Firefox. Anyway you keep ignoring all the rest of my post and picking individual lines to snark at. I get it, you don't want an actual discussion and your earlier post about being interested in other opinions was a lie. Bye then.
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I know corn, we're talking about our morals being driven by convenience. Sorry corn, I'm just not going to have a discussion with you that I had with another earlier in the thread. If you want my thoughts then read them. I'm not going to post entire paragraphs for you again.

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Well, that's why the boycott started internally at Mozilla. They knew this was bad news for their job.

There's a chance real change can happen now and that the company can turn this negative into a really big positive.
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And that's really the best thing that can come of this. Hopefully the BOD doesn't like the bad press and reverses course. I doubt it happens, but maybe. I don't like having bigots in positions of power any more than anybody else.
 
OrangeJulius said:
I know corn, we're talking about our morals being driven by convenience.
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Do you really believe that they aren't? The evidence is all around you. People don't typically murder, rape, or torture other people. But they eat meat, lie, sometimes steal, and act like jerks a lot. Whether we like it or not, convenience does drive morals. And can you at least do me the favor of linking me your primary response? Do you really think a person who eliminates murdering and raping from their list of moral infractions but still lies is just as bad someone who does all three?
 
CornBurrito said:
Do you really believe that they aren't? The evidence is all around you. People don't typically murder, rape, or torture other people. But they eat meat, lie, sometimes steal, and act like jerks a lot. Whether we like it or not, convenience does drive morals. And can you at least do me the favor of linking me your primary response? Do you really think a person who eliminates murdering and raping from their list of moral infractions but still lies is just as bad someone who does all three?
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Corn, to be honest I don't know what your arguing here? We don't murder because it's not convenient for us? Kind of a "no shit" statement don't you think? Nobody murders because we are raised to believe it's wrong and we will be punished severely for it. Not because we find it convenient or not convenient.

Sorry. Either I'm too tired to follow your point or you aren't making it clear. I just don't know. I apologize if I've been provocative, was just having a bit of fun with you earlier.
 
I was going to chime into this thread again a little while back, but work grabbed my attention. This thread has definitely become interesting to say the least.
 
OrangeJulius said:
Corn, to be honest I don't know what your arguing here? We don't murder because it's not convenient for us? Kind of a "no shit" statement don't you think? Nobody murders because we are raised to believe it's wrong and we will be punished severely for it. Not because we find it convenient or not convenient.

Sorry. Either I'm too tired to follow your point or you aren't making it clear. I just don't know. I apologize if I've been provocative, was just having a bit of fun with you earlier.
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I don't think it is that simple. We are also raised to believe lying is wrong. But we lie a lot. We certainly think murder is more reprehensible than lying, and that has a lot to do with why most people don't murder. But I think it also has to do with just how inconvenient murder is in comparison with lying. You can easily get away with lying, socially and legally. Murder is tricky. But if we had access to Death Notes or a way to kill people with stray thoughts that could not trace back to us, I truly believe we'd see a large spike in murders. Because suddenly killing off people would be really convenient. It isn't necessarily a comfortable thought, but I really do believe that our moral decisions are influenced to some degree by how much they inconvenience us.
 
lmpaler said:
I was going to chime into this thread again a little while back, but work grabbed my attention. This thread has definitely become interesting to say the least.
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Run away, run while you still can. I don't even know what this thread is about at this point to be honest. Something about murder being uncommon because it's morally inconvenient but lying being common because that shit is easy yo.

Who knows?
 
WarLox said:
I'm not sure why anyone should care. I could see if he used company funds... but he used his personal money to donate to a cause that he personally believed in. This has nothing to do with the company that he works for.
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falcs said:
Meh, I'm still sticking with Firefox.
He did it with his own funds, not Firefox's. He's got a right to support what he believes in.
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Laughing Banana said:
It's his *personal* position as an individual, yeah? Not the *entire organization*? So I don't see the issue.

Now, if Mozilla themselves starts campaigning GAY PEOPLE SUCKS themselves then of course, it'd be a problem.

But until then? I am sorry, nah.
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These companies run America. How they want this country run is how this country is run.

While I'm not gonna boycott other browsers, because most of them are all shit and can't even load gifs or crash for no reason, there's no way to ignore why this is a bad thing.
 
Omega Rex said:
These companies run America. How they want this country run is how this country is run.

While I'm not gonna boycott other browsers, because most of them are all shit and can't even load gifs or crash for no reason, there's no way to ignore why this is a bad thing.
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Yeah, those posts are a bit wacky. Whoever's at the top is creating the next generation of leaders under them.

For an extreme counterpoint, Chick-fil-A made it so they were closed on Sundays, and look at the company culture and political involvement of that company by this point.
 
Chrome got really bad, so I've loved using Firefox since dropping Chrome. Very happy with the performance.

Sad about the CEO, but a company is more than a CEO and there are good people at Mozilla.
 
CornBurrito said:
But who does Google get their money from?
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Which is why, in my opinion, the whole boycotting an entire company full of different people just because the CEO did something stupid 6 years ago -in his own time with his own money and in direct contradiction to the official stance of the company and has nothing to do with the company itself- is a really silly thing.

Direct your anger to him, call him a bigot--which he is, but boycotting Mozilla over this is a shot misdirected.

Well, in my opinion anyways.
 
Mozilla chairwoman Mitchell Baker responded on her blog about the controversy:

Mozilla’s commitment to inclusiveness for our LGBT community, and for all underrepresented groups, will not change. Acting for or on behalf of Mozilla, it is unacceptable to limit opportunity for *anyone* based on the nature of sexual orientation and/or gender identity. This is not only a commitment, it is our identity. This commitment is a key requirement for all leadership within Mozilla, including for the CEO, and Brendan shares this commitment as the new Chief Executive Officer.
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The CEO role is obviously a key role, with a large amount of authority. The CEO must have a commitment to the inclusive nature of Mozilla. This includes of course a commitment to the Community Participation Guidelines, inclusive HR practices and the spirit that underlies them. Brendan has made this commitment.Finally, I’ve been asked a few times about my own personal views, and so I’ll add a short comment.

I am an avid supporter of equal rights for all. I support equal rights for the LGBT community, I support equal rights for underrepresented groups, and I have some pretty radical views about the role of underrepresented groups in social institutions. I was surprised in 2012, when his donation in support of Proposition 8 came to light, to learn that Brendan and I aren’t in close alignment here, since I’ve never seen any indication of anything other than inclusiveness in our work together.
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Mozilla employees tell Brendan Eich he needs to “step down”

This morning, a number of Mozilla employees took to Twitter with a united, nearly simultaneous message to new Mozilla Foundation CEO Brendan Eich: "Step down."

The internal response began this morning with two tweets from Mozilla Open Badges project lead Chris McAvoy. "I love @mozilla but I'm disappointed this week," McAvoy said, referring to the controversial decision to appoint Eich as CEO after he had donated thousands to both California's Proposition 8 and political candidates who supported it. "@mozilla stands for openness and empowerment, but is acting in the opposite way." He then made a more pronounced declaration: "I'm an employee of @mozilla and I'm asking @brendaneich to step down as CEO."

Within minutes, many other Mozilla employees followed suit, using similar language or copying each other's statements outright. Those included Mozilla Festival curator Chloe Vareldi, partnerships lead John Bevan, designer Jessica Klein, and engagement team member Sydney Moyer.

McAvoy added that he feels fortunate to work at a company like Mozilla, "where I can say that without fear of retribution."

We have reached out to McAvoy for comment.
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kingkitty said:
and peeps got a right to boycott

I've been using chrome for a year so this was the easiest boycott ever.
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I think you misread his statement. He didn't discredit another persons right to boycott. Just merely stated he was sticking with FF and gave his own reasoning as to why.
 
effingvic said:
Always boggles my mind when super smart people have such views. Dude created JavaScript for fucks sake.
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Eh, even geniuses don't necessarily have well rounded minds. It's possible to be an insanely skilled programmer and still believe women belong in the kitchen, for example.
 
At the end of the day the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If a past history of discrimination can jeopardize both your own career path and success of the company your represent, it does create an incentive not to do those things. Looks like the boycott was effective.
 
alr1ght said:
Mozilla employees tell Brendan Eich he needs to “step down”
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What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. This guy was the CTO for however long and now that he is publicly "outed" they are only now throwing up their arms in rebellion.

What happened before? It was okay when he was leading the technology development but now that he is running the business it isn't okay?

Fucking lol

I almost don't want to use Firefox anymore now because idiots seem to be pervasive in that company at the top and bottom.
 
davepoobond said:
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. This guy was the CTO for however long and now that he is publicly "outed" they are only now throwing up their arms in rebellion.

What happened before? It was okay when he was leading the technology development but now that he is running the business it isn't okay?

Fucking lol

I almost don't want to use Firefox anymore now because idiots seem to be pervasive in that company at the top and bottom.
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Better late than never.
 
alr1ght said:
Mozilla employees tell Brendan Eich he needs to “step down”

This morning, a number of Mozilla employees took to Twitter with a united, nearly simultaneous message to new Mozilla Foundation CEO Brendan Eich: "Step down."

The internal response began this morning with two tweets from Mozilla Open Badges project lead Chris McAvoy. "I love @mozilla but I'm disappointed this week," McAvoy said, referring to the controversial decision to appoint Eich as CEO after he had donated thousands to both California's Proposition 8 and political candidates who supported it. "@mozilla stands for openness and empowerment, but is acting in the opposite way." He then made a more pronounced declaration: "I'm an employee of @mozilla and I'm asking @brendaneich to step down as CEO."

Within minutes, many other Mozilla employees followed suit, using similar language or copying each other's statements outright. Those included Mozilla Festival curator Chloe Vareldi, partnerships lead John Bevan, designer Jessica Klein, and engagement team member Sydney Moyer.

McAvoy added that he feels fortunate to work at a company like Mozilla, "where I can say that without fear of retribution."

We have reached out to McAvoy for comment.
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Good for them.
 
three of the members of the board resign from mozilla

three members of Mozilla's six-person board have reportedly left the software company over its appointment of Brendan Eich as chief executive officer this week. According to The Wall Street Journal, former Mozilla CEOs Gary Kovacs and John Lilly, along with Ellen Siminoff, the CEO of education startup Shmoop, all resigned last week just before Eich's promotion was made public. Still on the board is Mozilla co-founder Mitchell Baker, LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, and Spiegel Online's CEO Katharina Borchert, The Journal says.
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http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/28/5...s-board-reportedly-resign-over-new-ceo-choice

i wonder if bigots will ever realize theyre not wanted
 
I find it difficult to understand people who are all "he seems like a great fit to run the company, his personal views are irrelevant."

If this dude actively supported some other form of oppression, say black or women's right to vote, would they be saying that?

Because it's the same exact thing. It boggles the mind.
 
Javascript is a standard that runs on nearly every web browser and web server, so we're all homophobes unless we stop using the Internet altogether. Just sayin'.
 
This is utterly ridiculous, companies , as a whole donate MILLIONS of dollars to the GOP every election that do REAL damage to gay rights. No one says shit because they rely on these companies to live every day. Exxon Mobil for example, I would love to see people try to boycott gas stations.

some ass hat gives $1000 of his own money to some dumb ass group and people get up in arms

Hell ALL Mormons donate 10% off their earnings to the church. The Mormon church is extremely antigay. Are you guys saying that no Mormon should have a job ? There shouldn't be any Mormon CEOs ?
 
lol stop using a product because the CEO who probably never saw the source code doesn't like gay people? What does that have to do with the product? He is entitled to his opinion, just as we are. His views may be stupid, but they are none of my business.

Seriously if you stop using Firefox just because of this even though it is your favorite browser you are being nothing more than a drama queen.

Korey said:
I find it difficult to understand people who are all "he seems like a great fit to run the company, his personal views are irrelevant."

If this dude actively supported some other form of oppression, say black or women's right to vote, would they be saying that?

Because it's the same exact thing. It boggles the mind.
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As long as it doesn't affect the product and he is using his own money I wouldn't really care, if he is doing something bad which is illegal someone else will deal with it.
 
Korey said:
I find it difficult to understand people who are all "he seems like a great fit to run the company, his personal views are irrelevant."

If this dude actively supported some other form of oppression, say black or women's right to vote, would they be saying that?

Because it's the same exact thing. It boggles the mind.
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Because people are can separate a person's work form their personal beliefs.

Look, no matter how hard you try, you're going to support someone who disagrees with you on some major issue.
 
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