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[thehadou]

If those events would actually save the brackets (I know there are a bunch that do, there are still a lot that don't

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and you know which ones I'm referring to

) then I think the potential to surprize people would be much higher. =)

No doubt about that. Its just always interesting to me. Take CEO/UFGT as an example. CEO, due to spectacle and presentation, is viewed as massively larger than UFGT. Yet, when you strictly look at competitor totals, the difference is really only like 100 people.

Same conundrum happens seeing the Big E events as majors and ECT as a regional, when (and I could be wrong) the overall attendance is about the same (and I think ECT had better stream numbers last year didn't it?).

Its easy to place this on presentation value to the viewer, or location value in terms of known players, but from a strictly "I'm a good player because I win a tournament with X number of entrants" stand-point many of our regionals/majors/etc are the same.

 

[theprodigy]

How many entrants total do UFGT/CEO/Final Round draw?

also how many for the leading game (so presumably Street Fighter in all cases LOL)

 

[Karsticles]

I'm pretty sure Panda was the first one to do the interview

People just confusing Beef and Panda again. Nothing to see here.

Enzo, are you going to make an archive of those interviews?

 

[thehadou]

How many entrants total do UFGT/CEO/Final Round draw?

also how many for the leading game (so presumably Street Fighter in all cases LOL)

Most tournaments run on a 256 man bracket/pool system. I don't have hard data I can release (sorry, I'm under NDAs and its not my place to publicize such things), but SF at "majors" is generally a 150-250 range going off released numbers in 2013 (although SCR capping at 256 this year is exciting).

Total entrant numbers are all over the place, with "majors" as low as 400 and "majors" over 1000. Which is, again, one of the faults with "major" status being perception based and not analytics based.

 

[Curry-Hakase]

So the CafeID tournament isn't considered a major cause it only had 36 entrants?

 

[Horseress]

So the CafeID tournament isn't considered a major cause it only had 36 entrants?

It had so few entrants cause the entry fee was $100(!) per game, dem crazy koreans

 

[Rice-Eater]

The thing is a lot of these "Majors" don't release their entrant numbers. I don't necessarily think they want to hide it. But it seems like they just don't care or it doesn't cross their mind. People always want to know though and during streams someone might say game X has X number of players. But releasing a final tally when registration has closed is a rare thing.

Personally I've always been curious about this. I like to know the numbers and how they compared to other events and the same events from past years. But like I said, final numbers are almost never released and we just have to guess when we look at how many players are in a pool. So for example if a pool has 13 players with a total of 16 pools one would probably just multiply that number and guess that the total is close to 208 players overall.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I thought he lives overseas now?

Really? This is news to me if true.

 

[Curry-Hakase]

It had so few entrants cause the entry fee was $100(!) per game, dem crazy koreans

That 36 man tourney was probably harder than any Top 16 bracket at any US major barring Evo lol

 

[Horseress]

That 36 man tourney was probably harder than any Top 16 bracket at any US major barring Evo lol

Infiltration, Gamerbee and Justin Wong didn't even made top 8 in a 36 man tourney. It was THAT stacked

And shoutouts to Mago winning his first tournament since....ever?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Major talk one of the stupidest discussions in the current scene.

Summer Jam was a "major" when Yipes beat ChrisG 2 years ago.
It became a "regional" last year because, I don't know, I guess because it wasn't hype.


Look, every tournament I go to or watch is the same best of 3 double elimination bullshit. Is this a major or not? Who cares besides:
1. Top players who want to flaunt their victories and boost their egos
2. sycophants of the above top players

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

yeah those dogs own but I've never seen a costco that had sauerkraut

Really? That sucks. All the ones around me have it, but they run out sometimes.

I've read online some Costcos have fries. Ive never been to one that had it before though.

 

[xCobalt]

Major talk one of the stupidest discussions in the current scene.

Summer Jam was a "major" when Yipes beat ChrisG 2 years ago.
It became a "regional" last year because, I don't know, I guess because it wasn't hype.


Look, every tournament I go to or watch is the same best of 3 double elimination bullshit. Is this a major or not? Who cares besides:
1. Top players who want to flaunt their victories and boost their egos
2. sycophants of the above top players

The only place I consistently see discussions about whats a major and what isn't is Neogaf.

 

[Dahbomb]

Summer Jam was never a major.

 

[thehadou]

The thing is a lot of these "Majors" don't release their entrant numbers. I don't necessarily think they want to hide it. But it seems like they just don't care or it doesn't cross their mind. People always want to know though and during streams someone might say game X has X number of players. But releasing a final tally when registration has closed is a rare thing.

Personally I've always been curious about this. I like to know the numbers and how they compared to other events and the same events from past years. But like I said, final numbers are almost never released and we just have to guess when we look at how many players are in a pool. So for example if a pool has 13 players with a total of 16 pools one would probably just multiply that number and guess that the total is close to 208 players overall.

There are perception issues on top of this as well. Being questioned on "why only this many? Why more last year? Why more this year? Why should I attend if X tournament has more entrants than Y tournament? Why does B tournament get more sponsors than A tournament if A tournament has more players?" is tricky for a promoter. Particularly if you add spectator numbers to the mix or are having to assuage expectations.

I think the FGC is strange in that entrance totals rarely seem to affect what is or isn't a major (and considering the week I'd view the CafeId tournament as an invitational based on the entry/prestige paradigm).

Youmacon in 2012 is a great example on paper for this strangeness, as the tournament wasn't a major by entrants or viewership (I've had locals with higher entrance totals), but due to presentation and the invited known players the community at large took it as a new annual major. This actually created both branding and expectation issues for the convention when, in 2013, they (reasonably) scaled back and faced a backlash.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

The only place I consistently see discussions about whats a major and what isn't is Neogaf.

You must not follow the FGC on twitter. Good. Keep it that way.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

America is blessed by many top tier tournaments all year around for people to attend and watch. Really that is all that matters.

On the way home from Hypespotting now. Such an amazing event. If SVB actually gets back to its glory days, the future of the UK scene is very bright indeed.

Will write up about HS for JetUpper when I get back. The lack of coverage of European events and news is very dire...

 

[HarrisonSBA]

I had a costco dog yesterday with sauerkraut, onions, and deli mustard. Mmmmmm, dat 1.50 goodness.

Costco dogs are one of the top 10 reasons why I'm glad I live in America.

 

[thehadou]

America is blessed by many top tier tournaments all year around for people to attend and watch. Really that is all that matters.

This is the absolute truth. Even compared to 4 years ago, but particularly compared to 10-15 years ago, we have a wealth of content and tournaments (most of it good!) to be thankful for.

 

[theprodigy]

Apex is a major

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for Smash lol

seriously though, how big is Texas Showdown because that's coming up next

 

[thehadou]

Will write up about HS for JetUpper when I get back. The lack of coverage of European events and news is very dire...

Thank you. I've very curious to how the non-Dreamhack European event structure looks.

Being the brother of a die-hard Chun-Li player it was great to see a tourney taken by pokes and lightning legs as well. Actually, its just nice seeing continued variety within SFIV's tourney-winning character pool.

 

[Professor Beef]

Studying frames is for people who non-ironically watch combo videos.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Summer Jam was never a major.

How do you make this distinction, when Summer Jam, NEC and Winter Brawl were all run at the Sheraton Suites hotel in Philly?

 

[enzo_gt]

People just confusing Beef and Panda again. Nothing to see here.

Enzo, are you going to make an archive of those interviews?

What do you mean? It's sort of accomplished by the FGW archive itself, which lists who was interviewed each week with a link to the thread.

 

[Kimosabae]

Studying frames is for people who non-ironically watch combo videos.

Joke post?

 

[SweetJohnnyCage]

Apex is a major

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for Smash lol

seriously though, how big is Texas Showdown because that's coming up next

TS is definitely something to watch. I'm glad Javi is taking it back over from Planet Zero. Those guys did enough wrong to this community in a few short years that it's time TS has a good name again. We won't know how big it is until it actually happens, I'm afraid.

 

[thehadou]

How do you make this distinction, when Summer Jam, NEC and Winter Brawl were all run at the Sheraton Suites hotel in Philly?

All with similar attendance, known-player showcasing, viewership numbers, sponsored brands, and promotional outreach to consider as well.

 

[mbpm1]

Smug strikes me as a player that studies frame data.

According to Lee Chung, he has a folder full of matchup specific stuff hidden away somewhere.

He probably has to with Dudders though, I messed around with him just the other day and it's surprising what works on some characters and what doesn't.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Looks like Evo is dead

 

[Azure J]

Condiment tier list earlier cracked me up. BBQ sauce is high A tier btw.

That said, it's looking to be an exciting season for everyone this year. I'm so excited for CEO after seeing the Smashboards stuff earlier today.

 

[thehadou]

TS is definitely something to watch. I'm glad Javi is taking it back over from Planet Zero. Those guys did enough wrong to this community in a few short years that it's time TS has a good name again. We won't know how big it is until it actually happens, I'm afraid.

They were of decent size last year for a newly/re establishing event, with SF reaching over 100 players if I remember correctly.

The venue has some nice rooms and a good bar/lounge. They've upgraded to the larger ballroom and rented additional equipment this year, so I think Javi's tackling the few attendee complaints he had last year (always a sign of a good TO). Hopefully that'll be rewarded with some growth.

 

[.la1n]

Looks like Evo is dead

I hovered over the link just to see what you were up to, clever.

 

[Professor Beef]

Joke post?

I use grapplers, what do you think?

 

[Horseress]

Looks like Evo is dead

I thought it was a VxG announcement

 

[Dahbomb]

How do you make this distinction, when Summer Jam, NEC and Winter Brawl were all run at the Sheraton Suites hotel in Philly?

It's usually by number of entrants and how many people from out of region enter. Location does not matter unless it's out of country (the base line for a major in Korea is different than in the US).

There are more factors at play but this is the general gist of it. Of course the criteria for major and regional keeps changing over time (what was once a major is now a regional in terms of entrants).

That said someone winning a "regional" does not diminish their accomplishment. A tournament win is a tournament win especially against good competition. The distinction only really comes into play when it's a matter of EVO points/Capcom Pro tour for seeding purposes. That's where some tournaments will have more points awarded than others.


Like for example, Ryan Hart winning Final Round is weighted more than Mago winning CafeID's tournament. One is tier 1 the other is tier 2 based on Capcom's Pro tour criteria.

 

[enzo_gt]

MK vs. KI announcement coming tomorrow.

 

[theprodigy]

Looks like Evo is dead

needs a Kappa in there somewhere

 

[CEOJebailey]

The thing is a lot of these "Majors" don't release their entrant numbers. I don't necessarily think they want to hide it. But it seems like they just don't care or it doesn't cross their mind. People always want to know though and during streams someone might say game X has X number of players. But releasing a final tally when registration has closed is a rare thing.

Personally I've always been curious about this. I like to know the numbers and how they compared to other events and the same events from past years. But like I said, final numbers are almost never released and we just have to guess when we look at how many players are in a pool. So for example if a pool has 13 players with a total of 16 pools one would probably just multiply that number and guess that the total is close to 208 players overall.

Every year I make the entire pre-reg list available on a google doc and share it to show people numbers and mostly where everyone is coming from.

I've gotten messages from people saying they never knew there were other players in their city until they see that pre-reg list( this is mostly first time Fgc event attendees that don't browse the usual Fgc websites).

And in my opinion I think a US major can simply be classified as any event with over 500 unique entrants which pretty much all events people are bringing up can fall under.

I do think CEO is seeing crazy numbers and growth. Last year alone had 15 countries and 32 states represented. Can't wait to see the turnout this year. Registration is off to a huge start.

 

[SloaneRisette]

MK vs. KI announcement coming tomorrow.

Jago guest character in MK9!

 

[Omega]

you guys got the popcorn ready for no reason

Last Emperor too scared to post again

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

you guys got the popcorn ready for no reason

Last Emperor too scared to post again

What can you really do after Wall-E cleans you up?

 

[sixteen-bit]

MK vs. KI announcement coming tomorrow.

lol, epic troll

 

[DryEyeRelief]

It's usually by number of entrants and how many people from out of region enter. Location does not matter unless it's out of country (the base line for a major in Korea is different than in the US).

There are more factors at play but this is the general gist of it. Of course the criteria for major and regional keeps changing over time (what was once a major is now a regional in terms of entrants).

Okay, lets ignore what thehadou posted.
So if we go back a page or two and look at the Last Emperor's post, or any of the other posts here, do you think they considered any of that? Nope

Is this all just arbitrary nonsense? Yes
Is this all because viewers at home are so obtuse that they can't tell if something is high level/high stakes and they need a title to tell them it is? Yes

 

[A Pretty Panda]

yeah those dogs own but I've never seen a costco that had sauerkraut

I think you have to ask for it when they give you the hot dog

 

[Passive Assassin]

NCR is going to have dekappa playable on the ultra setups? time to go 0-2 and play dekappa all day. anyone heading to ncr? down to play casuals etc.

 

[chriskun]

Costco dogs are one of the top 10 reasons why I'm glad I live in America.

Thats really sad.

 

[Professor Beef]

NCR is going to have dekappa playable on the ultra setups? time to go 0-2 and play dekappa all day. anyone heading to ncr? down to play casuals etc.

Yeah, I'll be down for some casuals.

Thats really sad.

DAT SOCAL FOOD IS SO GODLIKE RIGHT

YEAH GIMME THAT SOCAL CUISINE

ALL OVER MY BODY MMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[WesternHeretic]

Looks like Evo is dead

Omg this makes me sad I've always loved them.

 

[WesternHeretic]

you guys got the popcorn ready for no reason

Last Emperor too scared to post again

Can I take over for him?


I'm calling out beef and panda at the same time. 2v1 bitched bring both your asses and lets dance.

 

[Professor Beef]

Can I take over for him?


I'm calling out beef and panda at the same time. 2v1 bitched bring both your asses and lets dance.

you can't even beat your own dick, how you gonna beat me or panda in anything