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[J10]

I couldn't even follow the story line cause it was such a snooze. So much so that I didn't even understand when the tesseract was in the beginning of the avengers, I was like wtf is that and why was captain America linked to it?

My sixty something year-old mother didn't have trouble following The Avengers. You should feel bad.

 

[TDLink]

If you ask me, I think Guardians of the Galaxy has a much higher chance of failure than Avengers 2. Unknown group of people (no mainstream names for the general public to latch on to and go "Yeah, I know them!") combined with what seems to me like a more comedic and lighthearted approach, doesn't spell out great things. If they scaled back GotG's budget accordingly, it should be alright.

However, I've always been a big proponent of the idea that superhero films don't always have to be the same genre. You can have a superhero comedy (like GotG, or Ant-Man if that's supposed to be funny, it's directed by Edgar Wright), or a mystery film set in Gotham or something. I think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had the right idea (if not questionable execution) that stories about things taking place in a world of superheroes, but not about those superheroes is ground currently unexplored.

But the main point: not every movie about superheroes needs to be a superhero action movie. I think doing some genre-bending could keep this bubble from bursting for a few more years.

Guardians of the Galaxy is not a super hero action movie. It's a Space Opera that has both action and comedy. It is an incredibly easy genre to market. It will be a success. People not knowing the characters yet is irrelevant.

People are only saying GotG is in the "super hero genre" because it's being made by Marvel comics and it is possible they may interact with superheroes in this universe in the future.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Guardians of the Galaxy is not a super hero action movie. It's a Space Opera that has both action and comedy. It is an incredibly easy genre to market. It will be a success. People not knowing the characters yet is irrelevant.

People are only saying GotG is in the "super hero genre" because it's being made by Marvel comics and it is possible they may interact with superheroes in this universe in the future.

Perfect, then my wish has already been fulfilled.

...prooobably not? It's not the same actress. Carol Ferris is a relatively major character in Hal Jordan's life in the comics. Her being in Man of Steel is just a nod to that character's existence.

Right, I don't follow Green Lantern at all and thought that Carol Ferris was the actress who played his girlfriend in the movie, not the character herself. I got confused, could have been solved by a second of Googling which I neglected to do, my bad.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Worldbuilding is pretty fucking overrated when it comes to superhero movies.

Yeah. Marvel is going to figure out pretty quickly that not killing people for good in movies is a whole lot different from not killing people for good in comics.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I still hope Faora is still alive and can return from the Phantom zone

the prayer we all pray every night before our fap she was so good.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I couldn't even follow the story line cause it was such a snooze. So much so that I didn't even understand when the tesseract was in the beginning of the avengers, I was like wtf is that and why was captain America linked to it?

you couldnt understand red skull looking for and finding that cube in the opening scene of capt america? Whats to understand? If you havent seen or comprehended anything whats to critique you dont give a shit thats fine they're just movies.

 

[kurahador]

...prooobably not? It's not the same actress. Carol Ferris is a relatively major character in Hal Jordan's life in the comics. Her being in Man of Steel is just a nod to that character's existence.

More like acknowledging Ryan Reynold's GL never happen.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I'm with this wholeheartedly. I fucking loved Captain America. Really fun movie.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Am I crazy for loving the first Captain America but still thinking he looks really silly suited up?

Loved this though

Cap2 is looking good but I wish theyed figure a better mask/helmet out.

 

[jrDev]

The theater really should have provided you with a connect the dots booklet.

That's literally the second scene in Captain America.

My sixty something year-old mother didn't have trouble following The Avengers. You should feel bad.

you couldnt understand red skull looking for and finding that cube in the opening scene of capt america? Whats to understand? If you havent seen or comprehended anything whats to critique you dont give a shit thats fine they're just movies.

*whoosh*

The point was that Capt America movie was forgettable, I was bored to tears so anything happening in the show I couldn't put together at the end (actually all the people I know that watched it came out of the theater with meh).

Anyways, we have stretched this discussion out too much, I'll catch the sequel of Capt from redbox this time later in the year when I'm bored...but in the end, I'm hoping this is not true about what marvel is planning, it's the worst idea and hopefully they have something else out for that year too.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

*whoosh*

The point was that Capt America movie was forgettable, I was bored to tears so anything happening in the show I couldn't put together at the end (actually all the people I know that watched it came out of the theater with meh).

Anyways, we have stretched this discussion out too much, I'll catch the sequel of Capt from redbox this time later in the year when I'm bored...but in the end, I'm hoping this is not true about what marvel is planning, it's the worst idea and hopefully they have something else out for that year too.

why waste your time

 

[MisterHero]

Cap2 is looking good but I wish theyed figure a better mask/helmet out.

We were so close to a good look. Unfortunately, Marvel decided Captain Roundhead was more serious.

 

[BadAss2961]

black widow and hawkeye were worse. but yeah he looked like a fucking loser in avengers. until he teamed up with iron man in the end. that was his redeeming moment.

Cap was actually my favorite of the Avengers. His role as the strategist in the last battle was well played.

I still would very much rather an actual Wonder Woman villain be used as the antagonist of any potential solo film - and I seem to be alone in this round these parts - but I wouldn't be mad at all if said WW villain used some magic to release Faora from the Phantom Zone.

I just don't know if any of Wonder Woman's villains can carry a first film. Ares could be good, but he'd have to be different than the versions i've seen from DC thus far.

If a WW movie was in the works now, i'd want them to take advantage of the base Man of Steel created and use Faora. Faora wouldn't need as much development as a new character would, so they could use that screentime to further build Wonder Woman, Themyscira, and native WW villains for later use.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

the first half of Captain America was great, then it tailed off.

 

[BadAss2961]

the first half of Captain America was great, then it tailed off.

First half was merely promising, then it tailed off.

Batman Begins is what i'd call a great first half.

 

[ReiGun]

I just don't know if any of Wonder Woman's villains can carry a first film. Ares could be good, but he'd have to be different than the versions i've seen from DC thus far.

If a WW movie was in the works now, i'd want them to take advantage of the base Man of Steel created and use Faora. Faora wouldn't need as much development as a new character would, so they could use that screentime to further build Wonder Woman, Themyscira, and native WW villains for later use.

It all depends on how you write it. I certainly wouldn't have thought Bane could carry a movie, but he was easily the best part of TDKR.

While I understand the advantages of using Faora, it would suck as a fan to have the first Wonder Woman movie co-opting villains from Superman instead of digging into her lore and pulling someone out. Ares, Circe, Hades, the First Born, even the Cheetah. Any one could make a fine introductory villain.

 

[sol_bad]

It all depends on how you write it. I certainly wouldn't have thought Bane could carry a movie, but he was easily the best part of TDKR.

Until the end.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

It all depends on how you write it. I certainly wouldn't have thought Bane could carry a movie, but he was easily the best part of TDKR.

While I understand the advantages of using Faora, it would suck as a fan to have the first Wonder Woman movie co-opting villains from Superman instead of digging into her lore and pulling someone out. Ares, Circe, Hades, the First Born, even the Cheetah. Any one could make a fine introductory villain.

I think Faora would work well as an introductory villain at least for the general public.
Ease them into Wonder Woman with a known villain( DC universe connection, and a strong woman at that, also shows how she stacks up to Superman on their own)
Set up Cheetah and/or Circe for the 2nd movie, all while slowly setting up Ares as the final big bad.

 

[Blader]

*whoosh*

The point was that Capt America movie was forgettable, I was bored to tears so anything happening in the show I couldn't put together at the end (actually all the people I know that watched it came out of the theater with meh).

Anyways, we have stretched this discussion out too much, I'll catch the sequel of Capt from redbox this time later in the year when I'm bored...but in the end, I'm hoping this is not true about what marvel is planning, it's the worst idea and hopefully they have something else out for that year too.

It's not the movie's fault you can't pay attention.

 

[Future Foundation]

My sixty something year-old mother didn't have trouble following The Avengers. You should feel bad.

How many of the Phase One movies had/has she seen?

 

[Exotoro]

How many of the Phase One movies had/has she seen?

Avengers isn't exactly a hard movie to follow. The first part of the film is introducing the characters, after all.

 

[BadAss2961]

It all depends on how you write it. I certainly wouldn't have thought Bane could carry a movie, but he was easily the best part of TDKR.

While I understand the advantages of using Faora, it would suck as a fan to have the first Wonder Woman movie co-opting villains from Superman instead of digging into her lore and pulling someone out. Ares, Circe, Hades, the First Born, even the Cheetah. Any one could make a fine introductory villain.

I always thought Bane was perfect since Batman had never been tested like that physically in a movie before. Easy endgame story to draw up, using the man that breaks his back and all. But really, Batman has several villains that can carry a movie with him, some that haven't even been used yet in film.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Captain America: First Avenger wasn't a great movie or anything but it was a hell of a lot better than Man of Steel. It was respectful to the source material but also worked great as a stand alone film. Man of steel was sloppily made and shit all over the Superman mythos. The movie felt like it was mandated by the studio to be "dark like Batman". Not surprising since WB has no idea what they are doing (youtube Kevin Smith talking about his time trying to make Superman Lives)

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Captain America: First Avenger wasn't a great movie or anything but it was a hell of a lot better than Man of Steel. It was respectful to the source material but also worked great as a stand alone film. Man of steel was sloppily made and shit all over the Superman mythos. The movie felt like it was mandated by the studio to be "dark like Batman". Not surprising since WB has no idea what they are doing (youtube Kevin Smith talking about his time trying to make Superman Lives)

I didnt hate it that much...but i really am just taking all memories of MoS and putting Faora Ul into every single one of them....so thats probably why im letting just about everything slide.....

 

[LosDaddie]

How?

I already explained how.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marvel put up the film rights to Iron Man etc as collateral in order to get the first wave of movies off the ground? That sounds like a Hail Mary to me, or close to it.

That's not to say that the movies weren't well planned and executed, but it was still a situation of "this is our one chance."

The fact that Marvel is absolutely dominating with a crew of C-List (to the general public) superheroes still blows my mind.

Yup. Marvel didn't have their A-list characters in their stable, so they had to go with lesser known (to the public) characters to build the MCU. That alone is a huge risk in the risk-adverse industry of Hollywood. On top of that, Marvel was going to do it all with their unproven internal studio.

I'm glad it worked out so much that it finally pushed DC to finally start getting their DCU off the ground

 

[Corpsepyre]

Marvel is riding off of the hype and success of The Avengers, otherwise I seriously doubt they would have let the movie open next to Superman/Batman, considering how crappy the first Captain America was.

 

[BLACKLAC]

Marvel is riding off of the hype and success of The Avengers, otherwise I seriously doubt they would have let the movie open next to Superman/Batman, considering how crappy the first Captain America was.

I'd say they are riding off the good will of Cap 1 & hype of Cap 2 more than anything. Majority of audiences generally liked Cap 1 and Cap 2 is getting gangbusters word of mouth already.

Add in Avengers 2 and you got yourself a stew brewing.

 

[DaveH]

Dwyane "The Rock" Johnson tweeted:
"Myself & DC have agreed on a character.. extremely complex, well known (but never played) and a pure BAD ASS MF #RockTalk .@ThomasEspin"

AMC Movie Talk was excited about the prospect of The Rock popping off against Marvel's Falcon in a WWE-styled pre-fight press conference. Some base part of me wants this too.

 

[Shaanyboi]

We were so close to a good look. Unfortunately, Marvel decided Captain Roundhead was more serious.

Moreso they probably realized "Hey, our main WW2 superhero should probably be wearing a helmet." Also the wings are dumb.

 

[richiek]

http://marvel.com/news/movies/2014/4/7/22279/captain_america_to_return_to_theaters_may_6_2016

Marvel officially confirms May 6, 2016 release date for Cap 3.

Marvel's doubling down. Considering the critical and financial success of Winter Soldier, it's looking more and more like DC's gonna move Batman/Superman.

 

[The Smoking Bun]

After Winter Solider I have no doubt Cap can solo the World's Finest

 

[Bobby Roberts]

http://marvel.com/news/movies/2014/4/7/22279/captain_america_to_return_to_theaters_may_6_2016

Marvel officially confirms May 6, 2016 release date for Cap 3.

Marvel's doubling down. Considering the critical and financial success of Winter Soldier, it's looking more and more like DC's gonna move Batman/Superman.

They can't stay there. In order for them to maximise profits on the picture, WB needs to be able to guarantee the screens at the exhibitors. They can't do that with Captain America 3 sitting on the same date.

There simply arent enough theaters/screens that would have to be blocked out for the first 3-4 weeks of the film's run to have both those movies opening on the same day.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

After Winter Solider I have no doubt Cap can solo the World's Finest

This, WB needs to GTFO if they know what's good for them.

 

[Schweinehund]

I don't know what will be the better movie but I'm sure as hell bat/sup will gross more.

 

[SpeedySwaf]

After Winter Solider I have no doubt Cap can solo the World's Finest

Same. I had my doubts initially, but Winter Soldier has been so well received, people may very well see him over Batman/Superman (or least see Captain America first).

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Cap 3 is bringing back the same team and so is MoS 2. I know where my money is going.

 

[injurai]

Well MoS was whack, and Nolan Batman is over...

So Bat/Supes really has near to zero draw from me. CA3 coming off of 2? Yes please.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Same. I had my doubts initially, but Winter Soldier has been so well received, people may very well see him over Batman/Superman (or least see Captain America first).

Say what you will about the quality of the movie, the quality of Warners' marketing for Man of Steel was very good at promising a real event. Of course, this is going to lead to added disappointment for those who were already not too happy with the quality of Snyder's film, but that speaks very strongly to how well Warners' sold the fact they were bringing Superman back and you NEEDED to see it.

Now imagine the fucking eight-ring circus that's going to run from January til May of 2016 about World's Finest.

Even IF people have a great feeling about Cap after Winter Soldier (and they should) I have a hard time believing that good feeling is going to withstand the promotional onslaught of World's Finest, and the Avengers-sized novelty of FINALLY getting Superman and Batman on the same screen at the same time, not to mention Wonder Woman, as well as Lex Luthor finally making his presence felt.

You've got a new Batman, you've got Wonder Woman for the first time onscreen ever, and you have Superman's best-known villain. Warner's is going to make that feel cant-miss, even if the movie ultimately ends up being one you SHOULD HAVE missed.

I don't see Captain America 3 being able to keep pace with a marketing blitz fueled by that kind of novelty.

Cap 3 is bringing back the same team and so is MoS 2.

No, Man of Steel 2 is being written by Chris Terrio, not David S. Goyer, who is for all intents and purposes, not on the picture anymore. Snyder's regular cinematographer is new to the sequel, as well. So new writer, new DP, at least. Those two things can make a big difference in how you enjoy a movie.

 

[bryanee]

Batman vs Superman will gross more, easily. But yeah some one should bloody move, its pretty stupid releasing on the same day.

Batman vs Superman will be an event much like The Avengers was.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Even IF people have a great feeling about Cap after Winter Soldier (and they should) I have a hard time believing that good feeling is going to withstand the promotional onslaught of World's Finest, and the Avengers-sized novelty of FINALLY getting Superman and Batman on the same screen at the same time, not to mention Wonder Woman, as well as Lex Luthor finally making his presence felt.

You've got a new Batman, you've got Wonder Woman for the first time onscreen ever, and you have Superman's best-known villain. Warner's is going to make that feel cant-miss, even if the movie ultimately ends up being one you SHOULD HAVE missed.

I don't see Captain America 3 being able to keep pace with a marketing blitz fueled by kind of novelty.

It's not like Cap 3 is going to be alone and the franchise will simmer for the next 2 years while hype builds for Bats/Supes. We are talking about an Avengers: Age of Ultron bump that could potentially have more impact than The Avengers did for Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The WInter Soldier.

I have no doubt Batman/Superman will have a huge marketing push, but I don't think one will crush the other or anything.

 

[richiek]

Say what you will about the quality of the movie, the quality of Warners' marketing for Man of Steel was very good at promising a real event. Of course, this is going to lead to added disappointment for those who were already not too happy with the quality of Snyder's film, but that speaks very strongly to how well Warners' sold the fact they were bringing Superman back and you NEEDED to see it.

Now imagine the fucking eight-ring circus that's going to run from January til May of 2016 about World's Finest.

Even IF people have a great feeling about Cap after Winter Soldier (and they should) I have a hard time believing that good feeling is going to withstand the promotional onslaught of World's Finest, and the Avengers-sized novelty of FINALLY getting Superman and Batman on the same screen at the same time, not to mention Wonder Woman, as well as Lex Luthor finally making his presence felt.

You've got a new Batman, you've got Wonder Woman for the first time onscreen ever, and you have Superman's best-known villain. Warner's is going to make that feel cant-miss, even if the movie ultimately ends up being one you SHOULD HAVE missed.

I don't see Captain America 3 being able to keep pace with a marketing blitz fueled by kind of novelty.

If anybody can rival WB in terms of marketing, it's Disney. Marvel's films have benefited immensely due to the Mouse House's huge media resources. This, plus coming off of the critically acclaimed Cap 2 as well as Avengers 2 means Cap 3 can definitely keep up with Bats/Supes.

 

[Gartooth]

Cap 3 will easily have more momentum thanks to Cap 2 as well as Avengers 2. Batman vs. Superman is going off the ho-hum reception of Man of Steel and its only big strength is being the first big crossover for DC.

 

[RedHotChimiChanga]

I don't know what will be the better movie but I'm sure as hell bat/sup will gross more.

I doubt it's that clear cut.

Marvel has been continuously winning and hyping all their movies as a collaborative franchise, and Captain America 2 is the best yet. Avengers 2 will set up Captain America 3 to make tons of moolas.

DC only had a lucky run with Dark Knight because Heath Ledger made it incredible, but the rest of their movies are pretty terrible.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Cap 3 will easily have more momentum thanks to Cap 2 as well as Avengers 2. Batman vs. Superman is going off the ho-hum reception of Man of Steel and its only big strength is being the first big crossover for DC.

and for all the talk of Cap 3 having momentum and Man of Steel being "ho-hum", MoS had the bigger opening and likely will end up with a bigger overall gross. So who really has the momentum?

 

[SargerusBR]

DC will move the date on BvS, that is inevitable. They lack the confidence Marvel has.

 

[richiek]

and for all the talk of Cap 3 having momentum and Man of Steel being "ho-hum", MoS had the bigger opening and likely will end up with a bigger overall gross. So who really has the momentum?

Marvel's still got the upper hand. Let's not forget that it will be three years since Man of Steel (which had mixed reviews at best) came out so Superman won't really be fresh in minds of audiences, whereas Cap 3 will be released one year after Avengers 2.

 

[injurai]

I doubt it's that clear cut.

Marvel has been continuously winning and hyping all their movies as a collaborative franchise, and Captain America 2 is the best yet. Avengers 2 will set up Captain America 3 to make tons of moolas.

DC only had a lucky run with Dark Knight because Heath Ledger made it incredible, but the rest of their movies are pretty terrible.

Not to mention MCU is really big in emerging markets. I have no doubt CA3 will gross more than Bat/Sup in the long run. Who knows which make more opening week though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I have no doubt Batman/Superman will have a huge marketing push, but I don't think one will crush the other or anything.

I never said crush. I said keep pace. Warners is absolutely going to blitz like fucking crazy, because they have more riding on it than Disney will, since Disney's already in a nice and comfortable groove with their films, and Cap 3 isn't even a major piece of that puzzle. The Avengers movies are Marvel's big prizes - and you can see the difference with regards to how Marvel/Disney sell their other films, and how they sold Avengers and Iron Man 3.

The marketing campaigns definitely went up another level.

I don't think they're going to go for that level on Cap 3 simply because they don't HAVE to. The only reason they'd do that in this hypothetical is because they really want to kneecap Warners, and they don't. It's not that big a concern to stop Warners from having their own successful superhero film.

Warners is going to do their damndest to make World's Finest the most anticipated movie of that summer. I don't see Disney/Marvel spending the money to combat that, and frankly, they don't have to, and the only reason they'd do that is if they bought into this DC/Marvel feud, and they don't.

Warner's is going to move off the date, and then spend like fucking crazy to get you to believe this movie is going to be THE MOVIE you have to see this summer. Because it means more to them to have World's Finest hit as hard as it possibly can than it means for Disney/Marvel to have Cap 3 wildly succeed.

Note that the quality of the movies has nothing to do with this, either. We're talking about marketing and scheduling. This is some movie biz bullshit, not actual film discussion

 

[Wiktor]

It's insane that Cap3 can be considered to be able to witstand Superman vs Batman. Who would have thought just few years ago...insane.

 

[Spinluck]

Who's directing Cap 3 thooo?

DC will move the date on BvS, that is inevitable. They lack the confidence Marvel has.

If they moved it, it wouldn't be because of that.

You don't really need to sell a Batman and Superman movie.