Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun

Tyeforce said:
I've updated my roster with the new character reveals!

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I think if you remove the bottom row and add another column for widescreen purposes, that would cut 4 slots. Keeping the Random slot and granted there aren't anymore cuts from Brawl, the rumour fits:

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Hooray for arbitrariness!
 
Ridley is probably my most wanted character in Smash, and i'm not even that big of a Metroid fan. I just want him in the game because he's been at the top of wishlists for years, and I think he'd be awesome to play as.
 
GDGF said:
Who is flowers?
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A plant. Like the ones that grow in real life.
J-Tier said:
This thread has been moving fast. Going back, what do we think about Chorus Men from Rhythm Heaven being playable? And how reliable is that rumor? Do we really know the source is the same person?
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I think the guy was correct for his first leak, but is just trolling us with this second one! because many people will believe him. The roster is very limited, and I highly doubt that Shulk or the Chorus men will make it in (even though I love Shulk). Chrom and Palutena are safe bets anyway, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made it in. The reason I think he is lying is because he says "Gen 6" Pokemon, instead of saying Greninja. A gen 6 pokemon is a safe bet, considering Lucario made it in to represent gen 4, so he was probably just making stuff up so that he could laugh at us trying to figure everything out.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Yeah, exactly. I mean a few of those picks in the second leak are safe... X/Y Pokemon isn't one of them.
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A X/Y Pokemon is pretty safe assuming Gematsu didn't delay this rumor from before Pokemon X/Y. It is fairly logical to assume that transformations were out since Zelda's reveal but the community snuffed out that theory and Pokemon X/Y was the biggest Nintendo game last year.
 
Nub said:
Ridley is probably my most wanted character in Smash, and i'm not even that big of a Metroid fan. I just want him in the game because he's been at the top of wishlists for years, and I think he'd be awesome to play as.
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At first, I really wanted Ridley in because I like the character and think Metroid should have another representative who is not Samus. Now, I want Ridley in because of the meltdowns. Ohhh the meltdowns. Specially after the boss shadow tease. Damn, the meltdowns and the crow eating would be glorious.

I'm not expecting him in though.
 
Mr. Macintosh!! said:
I think the guy was correct for his first leak, but is just trolling us with this second one! because many people will believe him. The roster is very limited, and I highly doubt that Shulk or the Chorus men will make it in (even though I love Shulk). Chrom and Palutena are safe bets anyway, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made it in. The reason I think he is lying is because he says "Gen 6" Pokemon, instead of saying Greninja. A gen 6 pokemon is a safe bet, considering Lucario made it in to represent gen 4, so he was probably just making stuff up so that he could laugh at us trying to figure everything out.
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The problem I'm having is that he's really specific in one place (Chorus Men) and then really vague in another ("Gen 6 Pokemon"). If he was just making a "safe bet" he would have said "Rhythm Heaven Guy" for the latter - he originally said "Animal Crossing Guy" for Villager so it'd make sense.

I buy it. Not 100% like I do with the first leak but enough to assume that Chrom is the new FE rep and so on. The only question for me is whether that's the full extent (which I would be okay with, honestly - a dozen new characters and a bunch of revamps of veterans is more than enough) or if there's other new characters lurking beyond that...
 
ArchedThunder said:
It's the Other M Ridley, which isn't the same Ridley from the other games. We've had things like this happen with Donkey Kong in Brawl and now Toon Link in 3DS.
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Entryhazard said:
Keep in mind that in-universe Classic Ridley and Other M Ridley are identical, the change of look is purely because Other M as a whole adopts a different style, and it's clear that for smash 4 they're going to use Other M visual style (aside obviously character that are not in that game in any form to begin with, like Dark Samus).

In addition, even ST Link and WW Link are not the same character, yet when Toon Link is on the train stage, the engine driver is Alfonzo.

But I feel that's unlikely to see Alfonzo flying around the Pyrosphere spouting fireballs when Ridley's on stage.

Also there's strong evidence that the ridley shown on the direct is a Stage Boss in the fact that was flying at constant height for too long to be a recovery or similar move.
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ErrorMacro said:
the crow eating would be glorious.
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If Ridley is in playable, and gets announced, I will have an image ready. Expect many crowdleys.

Entryhazard said:
Keep in mind that in-universe Classic Ridley and Other M Ridley are identical, the change of look is purely because Other M as a whole adopts a different style, and it's clear that for smash 4 they're going to use Other M visual style (aside obviously character that are not in that game in any form to begin with, like Dark Samus).
Also, by your logic, meta ridley IS classic ridley as identity.
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What the fuck? No. Other M Ridley is NOT original Ridley. Other M Ridley is a CLONE. Hell you even see him grow up and his evolution. He is not the Ridley you fought in Zero Mission.
There's theories about Other M Ridley being the Ridley in Super Metroid, but he certainly is not the first, original Ridley from Metroid 1/Zero Mission.
 
Entryhazard said:
Keep in mind that in-universe Classic Ridley and Other M Ridley are identical, the change of look is purely because Other M as a whole adopts a different style, and it's clear that for smash 4 they're going to use Other M visual style (aside obviously character that are not in that game in any form to begin with, like Dark Samus).
Also, by your logic, meta ridley IS classic ridley as identity.

In addition, even ST Link and WW Link are not the same character, yet when Toon Link is on the train stage, the engine driver is Alfonzo.

But I feel that's unlikely to see Alfonzo flying around the Pyrosphere spouting fireballs when Ridley's on stage.

Also there's strong evidence that the ridley shown on the direct is a Stage Boss in the fact that was flying at constant height for too long to be a recovery or similar move.
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ArchedThunder said:
It's the Other M Ridley, which isn't the same Ridley from the other games. We've had things like this happen with Donkey Kong in Brawl and now Toon Link in 3DS.
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That's why I thought it was kinda obvious that Ridley is more likely to be (maybe starter) or secret character. I meant Sakurai wouldn't trolling Ridley fans that long to be malicious developer that would shat on fans.

Remember Brawl, he didn't even troll anyone with Ridley. They just revealed Ridley right away when it was kinda bad news to the fans.
 
PBalfredo said:
You don't exactly need a crystal ball to predict that a character from Sakurai's last game or the latest installment of the hyper-popular pokemon series is going to get a rep.
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Nobody thought we were getting an X and Y pokemon though. You don't exactly need a crystal ball to know that a WiiFit character would get in either by your logic.
 
astrogamer said:
A X/Y Pokemon is pretty safe assuming Gematsu didn't delay this rumor from before Pokemon X/Y. It is fairly logical to assume that transformations were out since Zelda's reveal but the community snuffed out that theory and Pokemon X/Y was the biggest Nintendo game last year.
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Additionally the supposed leaker just said "Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y". "Pokemon" can be plural or singular. Lots of people had predicted Kalos Trainer as a new character, with the three starters from XY much in the same vein as Pokemon Trainer from Brawl.
 
PBalfredo said:
Additionally the supposed leaker just said "Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y". "Pokemon" can be plural or singular. Lots of people had predicted Kalos Trainer as a new character, with the three starters from XY much in the same vein as Pokemon Trainer from Brawl.
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But he didn't say trainer or anything like that. It's still an incredibly good guess.
 
MvC3, Playstation All-Stars, and Jojo's All Star Battle hype has taught me that even "legit" leakers tend to be wrong or miss the mark entirely a lot.

I don't expect that trend to change here. I personally wouldn't take any leaker's word as gospel in the slightest.
 
Beelzebufo said:
But he didn't say trainer or anything like that. It's still an incredibly good guess.
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It's an incredibly open-ended guess. Simply saying "pokemon from X/Y" could be a stand alone character, it could be a "Trainer" w/pokemon, it could be a lot of things. Hell, technically it could be Mewtwo with his mega.
 
PBalfredo said:
It's an incredibly open-ended guess. Simply saying "pokemon from X/Y" could be a stand alone character, it could be a "Trainer" w/pokemon, it could be a lot of things. Hell, technically it could be Mewtwo.
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But it was still right. Considering his first six guesses are essentially confirmed (Mii stages and Namco items), Palutena is essentially confirmed (which Sakurai teased us about), and Pokemon from X/Y is confirmed, so far he's 8/11. Pretty good.
 
Beelzebufo said:
But it was still right. Considering his first six guesses are essentially confirmed (Mii stages and Namco items), Palutena is essentially confirmed (which Sakurai teased us about), and Pokemon from X/Y is confirmed, so far he's 8/11. Pretty good.
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You have a remarkably loose definition of confirmed.

Which goes well with your remarkably loose definition of good guess.
 
tirkaroKujo said:
MvC3, Playstation All-Stars, and Jojo's All Star Battle hype has taught me that even "legit" leakers tend to be wrong or miss the mark entirely a lot.

I don't expect that trend to change here. I personally wouldn't take any leaker's word as gospel in the slightest.
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Lupinko was 100% on the mark with Marvel.
 
astrogamer said:
It is fairly logical to assume that transformations were out since Zelda's reveal but the community snuffed out that theory
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To be fair, Zelda also was revealed in Smash Bros Brawl a long time before Sheik - leading many people to think that her transformation and Sheik had been cut. Melee was the reverse - Sheik being revealed right in Melee's reveal, while Zelda was the sole starter character kept hidden until near launch.

So, this seemed to be just the same kind of playful tease or surprise again. And it kind of was, since in the end we still got Sheik, just without the transformation mechanic.

But it was still right. Considering his first six guesses are essentially confirmed (Mii stages and Namco items)
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The one Mii stage that we've seen an icon for so far didn't have a icon that seems like it'd be use for the "Mii" series though, I don't think it's really anywhere near confirmed yet - although the first leak in general is looking strong.
 
Red Arremer said:
If Ridley is in playable, and gets announced, I will have an image ready. Expect many crowdleys.



What the fuck? No. Other M Ridley is NOT original Ridley. Other M Ridley is a CLONE. Hell you even see him grow up and his evolution. He is not the Ridley you fought in Zero Mission.
There's theories about Other M Ridley being the Ridley in Super Metroid, but he certainly is not the first, original Ridley from Metroid 1/Zero Mission.
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Wait... what on earth is this about. You think Zero Mission Ridley is a different Ridley from Super Metroid Ridley? ...

Just because you see his growth stages in Other M doesn't mean he's not the same Ridley if his memories are in tact. He's just occupying a new body grown from his cells. The most we can say about Other M Ridley really is that we don't know with certainty if he is just a clone or has his memories, but the game sure makes it seem like he remembers Samus.

Regardless, the point that poster was trying to make, I believe, is that even if he wasn't the same character, he still looks very much like his old self, and considering that Spirit Tracks Link isn't the same character as Wind Waker Link and wears a different outfit he still gets replaced by Alfonzo when Toon Link is playing in the Spirit Tracks stage Ridley and Other M Ridley would not be allowed to occupy the same stage.

Basically "Other M Ridley isn't the same Ridley" is a poor excuse for the point that is trying to be made. The only way Ridley is playable is if Ridley is not a stage hazard in Pyrosphere or Ridley gets replaced when playable Ridley plays Pyrosphere.
 
Nub said:
Ridley is probably my most wanted character in Smash, and i'm not even that big of a Metroid fan. I just want him in the game because he's been at the top of wishlists for years, and I think he'd be awesome to play as.
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I'm not a fan of Metroid at all, but I also think Ridley would be a great addition to Smash.

But I thought for sure the stage boss tease in the Direct would have sealed the deal on his appearance. Yet fans are still desperately coming up with theories.
 
Red Arremer said:
What the fuck? No. Other M Ridley is NOT original Ridley. Other M Ridley is a CLONE. Hell you even see him grow up and his evolution. He is not the Ridley you fought in Zero Mission.
There's theories about Other M Ridley being the Ridley in Super Metroid, but he certainly is not the first, original Ridley from Metroid 1/Zero Mission.
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Please reread what I said, then your answer.

I didn't say that Classic Ridley and Other M Ridley are the same character, but that in-univers the have the same identical physical appearence in virtue of being, indeed, a straight clone. So given that Sakurai is using Other M visual style for everything Metroid-related, this "Classic Ridley Character" would look identical to that "Other M Ridley that is a boss but isn't True Ridley". And you can see how is a stretch al this issue with ridley identity in order to fit a character ridley in.

And pertaining to that matter, even the Toon Link that drives the train in Spirit Tracks is not the same Toon Link of Wind Waker, yet in the game are treated as same because they look the same and when Toon Link is in stage the engine driver is Alfonzo.
IntelliHeath said:
That's why I thought it was kinda obvious that Ridley is more likely to be (maybe starter) or secret character. I meant Sakurai wouldn't trolling Ridley fans that long to be malicious developer that would shat on fans.
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To me it seems that he was very straightforward by showing his shadow while speaking of bosses other than Yellow Devil. He was so clear that he was Ridley that it's like he did show his actual model and that would not have made a difference. He just did that way to see how many would have recognized him, don't see too much in that.
 
Karsticles said:
Lupinko was 100% on the mark with Marvel.
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He was, but he was on the mark about a month before release.

I'm talking about the earlier and lesser known Kensk, another well-regarded leaker who leaked other things before in the past. He was right about most of the roster, but later on he got sorta misinformed: He said that the roster was going to have over 40 characters (it didn't), and that it'd include things like an "unexpected 2nd series rep" and Frank West. After the game actually released he sorta dropped off the face of the earth. Oddly enough, all those things did come true in Ultimate.
 
tirkaroKujo said:
MvC3, Playstation All-Stars, and Jojo's All Star Battle hype has taught me that even "legit" leakers tend to be wrong or miss the mark entirely a lot.

I don't expect that trend to change here. I personally wouldn't take any leaker's word as gospel in the slightest.
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Karsticles said:
Lupinko was 100% on the mark with Marvel.
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Yep, MVC3, MK9 and SFxTK. He only made one mistake with a character for SFxTK because there are two characters that have very similar name which is Lee and Lei I think.

He could got UMVC3 right on track but he decided to playing around too much with trivia so people think he isn't legit but I think he's since he got few characters right.

JoJo All stars Battle and Playstation All Stars,, I would agree with you there. Problem with Smash 4 is that they are working on Namco-Bandai so I can imagine that there are few loose lips at the works, but I could be wrong.
 
On the matter of the second list just saying Pokemon X/Y rep, doesn't the Pokemon Company suggests to/tells Sakurai which pokemon to use? I remember in an interview Sakurai saying something among those lines, that the process for picking a pokemon rep was different than for the other games. Could be a plausible reason for X/Y not being specific.
 
RagnarokX said:
Wait... what on earth is this about. You think Zero Mission Ridley is a different Ridley from Super Metroid Ridley? ...
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Metroid 1/Zero Mission Ridley is killed by Samus, and the entire planet even blows up then. His next chronological appearance is as Meta Ridley in Prime, where he is a revived zombie cyborg.

Regardless, the point that poster was trying to make, I believe, is that even if he wasn't the same character, he still looks very much like his old self, and considering that Spirit Tracks Link isn't the same character as Wind Waker Link and wears a different outfit he still gets replaced by Alfonzo when Toon Link is playing in the Spirit Tracks stage Ridley and Other M Ridley would not be allowed to occupy the same stage.
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Entryhazard said:
Please reread what I said, then your answer.

I didn't say that Classic Ridley and Other M Ridley are the same character, but that in-univers the have the same identical physical appearence in virtue of being indeed a straight clone. So given that Sakurai is using Other M visual style for everything Metroid-related, this "Classic Ridley Character" would look identical to that "Other M Ridley that is a boss but isn't True Ridley". And you can see how is a stretch al this issue with ridley identity in order to fit a character ridley in.

And pertaining to that matter, even the Toon Link that drives the train in Spirit Tracks is not the same Toon Link of Wind Waker, yet in the game are treated as same because they look the same and when Toon Link is in stage the engine driver is Alfonzo.
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Oh, I see. My bad then. Misunderstood.

To me it seems that he was very straightforward by showing his shadow while speaking of bosses other than Yellow Devil. He was so clear that he was Ridley that it's like he did show his actual model and that would not have made a difference. He just did that way to see how many would have recognized him, don't see too much in that.
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If he was just a stage hazard why just show the shadow then, and not outright the boss character? We got Twinrova and Yellow Devil clearly shown, and no other character BUT Ridley has been teased this way. If Ridley was just a stage hazard, why draw this shit out so much? Why just always make teases that don't 100% reveal or confirm stuff?

Especially considering the other thing he did in the Direct with the trophy quizzes. Those are pretty clearly hints at future things to come (very likely newcomers), and there's a trophy of a Metroid boss during which Ridley's Theme plays. Not the King Kihunter boss theme, not any other boss theme, but Ridley's.
 
Beelzebufo said:
But it was still right. Considering his first six guesses are essentially confirmed (Mii stages and Namco items), Palutena is essentially confirmed (which Sakurai teased us about), and Pokemon from X/Y is confirmed, so far he's 8/11. Pretty good.
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Lots of easy guesses. It's been announced Namco is helping with the game, Sakurai has a bias for games he's worked on and pokemon is fucking pokemon. "Leakers" get a lot of the benefit of the doubt because anything they're wrong about just "hasn't been announced yet" until the game is finally out. And for someone with insider information, completely missing out on predicting Rosalina is a big red flag.

The only thing that gives any real credit is WFT, and that was only a week before E3 where she was revealed. That might have been a legit leak since there are a lot of hands involved setting up a trade show, but I don't think that gives this guy a blank check considering he's missed out on predicting Rosalina and made vague, open-ended prediction about "pokemon from x/y".
 
I want the guy on theright to be an AT:

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On the matter of the second list just saying Pokemon X/Y rep, doesn't the Pokemon Company suggests to/tells Sakurai which pokemon to use? I remember in an interview Sakurai saying something among those lines, that the process for picking a pokemon rep was different than for the other games. Could be a plausible reason for X/Y not being specific.
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Yeah, iirc, he said they tell him which Pokemon will be popular or who they're going to focus on for marketing, so he can include them in Smash.
 
PBalfredo said:
Lots of easy guesses. It's been announced Namco is helping with the game, Sakurai has a bias for games he's worked on and pokemon is fucking pokemon. "Leakers" get a lot of the benefit of the doubt because anything they're wrong about just "hasn't been announced yet" until the game is finally out. And for someone with insider information, completely missing out on predicting Rosalina is a big red flag.

The only thing that gives any real credit is WFT, and that was only a week before E3 where she was revealed. That might have been a legit leak since there are a lot of hands involved setting up a trade show, but I don't think that gives this guy a blank check considering he's missed out on predicting Rosalina and made vague, open-ended prediction about "pokemon from x/y".
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someone making a realistic post about leaks, in SmashGAF?
why I never-
 
StreetsAhead said:
Yeah, iirc, he said they tell him which Pokemon will be popular or who they're going to focus on for marketing, so he can include them in Smash.
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I see, so is it a plausible reason for the leaker to not specify on the second list? Or were they just making a safe guess?

I want to know the roster already!
 
Fandangox said:
I see, so is it a plausible reason for the leaker to not specify on the second list? Or were they just making a safe guess?

I want to know the roster already!
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At least, we will find out by Summer instead of Winter.

StreetsAhead said:
I want the guy on theright to be an AT:





Yeah, iirc, he said they tell him which Pokemon will be popular or who they're going to focus on for marketing, so he can include them in Smash.
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Me too! I would love to see that happening. :)
 
RagnarokX said:
Regardless, the point that poster was trying to make, I believe, is that even if he wasn't the same character, he still looks very much like his old self, and considering that Spirit Tracks Link isn't the same character as Wind Waker Link and wears a different outfit he still gets replaced by Alfonzo when Toon Link is playing in the Spirit Tracks stage Ridley and Other M Ridley would not be allowed to occupy the same stage.

Basically "Other M Ridley isn't the same Ridley" is a poor excuse for the point that is trying to be made. The only way Ridley is playable is if Ridley is not a stage hazard in Pyrosphere or Ridley gets replaced when playable Ridley plays Pyrosphere.
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Exactly that
 
StreetsAhead said:
I want the guy on theright to be an AT:





Yeah, iirc, he said they tell him which Pokemon will be popular or who they're going to focus on for marketing, so he can include them in Smash.
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I have no idea what game that is, but a god damn T-Rex as an assist trophy? Yes please.
 
Red Arremer said:
Metroid 1/Zero Mission Ridley is killed by Samus, and the entire planet even blows up then. His next chronological appearance is as Meta Ridley in Prime, where he is a revived zombie cyborg.
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The entire planet does not blow up in Zero Mission. It's very much in tact in Super Metroid.

Metroid Prime is a separate continuity from Other M, but regardless he's not a zombie but he is a cyborg. Somehow by Metroid Prime 3 he became fully organic again, then back to being a cyborg.
 
On the topic of Chorus Men, assuming the source was mistaken and it is in fact Marshall, i think he will be like Game & Watch. Each of his moves would be based on a Rhythm Heaven minigame. so
Up B -See Saw- he gets launched off a seesaw
Neutral B- Built to Scale- sort of like a arrow though no charging
Side B- Bossa Nova - launch a ball in both direction
Down B- Glee Club- sing attack
Final Smash- Karate Joe
I also hypothesize that each move is more powerful when in rhythm or something like that
 
NeonZ said:
Hm... thinking about it, isn't the lack of a Mii icon for the Find Mii stage rather odd?

The crown doesn't seem like it'd be a Mii icon, only something specific to Find Mii (symbolizing the king) - however, if Mii were in the game, wouldn't Find Mii just be branded as part of the "Mii" series? That seems to suggest that there isn't an actual "Mii" character.
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I mean

Sakurai changed a whole stage to hide a Punch-Out character

If he wanted to hide a Mii icon, I don't know what would stop him.
 
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