Actually, they've already changed the game to add in new things to specifically appeal to American audiences by including rap battles, which is certainly working to get me to purchase the game! No reason they couldn't also add in same-sex marriage options to appeal to even more Americans, with the added bonus of being a solid thing to do anyways.
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Actually, they've already changed the game to add in new things to specifically appeal to American audiences by including rap battles, which is certainly working to get me to purchase the game! No reason they couldn't also add in same-sex marriage options to appeal to even more Americans, with the added bonus of being a solid thing to do anyways.
Hours Left
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You didn't offend me at all, I know you're a good guy and that you didn't mean anything negative. It was just a general statement.
It's just seems like a never ending saga of fighting tooth and nail for the smallest amount of consideration, where we are constantly told not to make a big deal out of it, or just accept it for the way it is. It's extremely frustrating.
Amazeballs
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I wonder how Nintendo would go about adding in the option to create gay Miis. A checkbox on the character creation interface might be sending a political message about sexuality. Nintendo also have to take into consideration that children will be playing the game. Sending a message is one thing, but it's another if a message that certain adults might not agree with is construed to be targeting their children.
My understanding of the game is that the game itself decides the affection between Miis while giving the player the option to provide counsel to their Miis. I don't think I need to explain why letting the game decide your Miis' sexuality is a can of worms in and of itself. Changing the game to allow players to set affection would be an nontrivial alteration to the core design of the game.
My head hurts just thinking about the logistics of it all.
My understanding of the game is that the game itself decides the affection between Miis while giving the player the option to provide counsel to their Miis. I don't think I need to explain why letting the game decide your Miis' sexuality is a can of worms in and of itself. Changing the game to allow players to set affection would be an nontrivial alteration to the core design of the game.
My head hurts just thinking about the logistics of it all.
Hours Left
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The fact that many people think that human sexuality boils down to political leanings is such a sad state of affairs.
And children don't need to be shielded from gay relationships. Any parent that think it is not appropriate to have kids learn about different forms of human sexuality can deal with that in whatever way they wish, but their close-minded attitudes should definitely not be pandered to.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Well fuck those adults.
There's a word we have for those certain adults.
What was it again? Oh, right, bigots. That's what we call them.
No not really, that's like saying dinosaurs shouldn't feature in a game becaues the parents might not believe in evolution.
Oni Link 666
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Funniest Direct ever. And people thought Nintendo didn't love Samus.
Japannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
I wish people had been this vocal when we found out you couldn't have black skin in Animal Crossing.....
The thing is, you can. It's not a default option, but you're able to darken your skin. Along with your eye and hair color. In future iterations I'd like to see it become a default option but the option is there nonetheless.
dampflokfreund
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The direct itself was already extremly funny, but this tops it, HAHA!
Throwaway123456789
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Do you mean tanning in the sun? Please don't mean tanning in the sun.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Although *technically* you can but I wouldn't consider it actually a can can. It's way too bothersome to accomplish and sun tan is different than skin color anyways.
...Yes?
That is indeed a range of darker skin tones, not just tan.
Yes I realize that but it's an option nonetheless. Seeing as the new Pokemon had a skin tone option I can see the next Animal Crossing implementing a similar system.
Velcro Fly
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Seems like the kind of thing that you get out as much as you put in. Create some cool Miis or get a theme going like JRPG characters or from a large TV show and it could be funny to see what happens. With how firmly entrenched I am with Animal Crossing I'm not sure I'd buy this day 1. But it does look really interesting and fun.
Also feel like whoever is in charge of putting out info for game releases reads GAF with all the "where are the 3DS games beyond this summer" talk. This and Smash seems like a good bridge to get into fall.
Also feel like whoever is in charge of putting out info for game releases reads GAF with all the "where are the 3DS games beyond this summer" talk. This and Smash seems like a good bridge to get into fall.
I actually don't think it'd be that tough, depending on how they built the game. If they wanted to be clumsy about it, clicking gay could change the character's behaviors to that of the opposite gender, but override the appearance. It'd take work to iron things out, but it wouldn't be some kind of overhaul.
I could see bi characters being a bit more difficult, from a development POV.
NumberThree
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You mean like the message that every relationship has to be heterosexual?
Pro from Dover
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Well, the Mii will ask you (the player) how you think about that Mii and another Mii's relationship. You can say something like "You're a perfect match!", "Nothing in particular" and something else I think. If you choose the first option, that's like sending a signal to the game that you support that specific relationship and then a love confession might happen later.
There's no need for silly checkboxes when importing the Mii. If they patched in same-sex relationships, they could keep the current mechanics and just removed the obstacle that prevented a male/female Mii from asking the above question about a Mii of the same gender (of course on the technical side of things it would require much more tweaking probably, but it's relatively easy to implement without changing the core mechanics, I mean).
Unfortunately I don't think Nintendo will still be able to change the game now. It's releasing in about two months and press already have the game (not sure if final version, but probably). But that doesn't mean people should still voice their opinions about this, in the case Nintendo ever makes a Tomodachi 3.
It's "random", as in you can do a number of different responses to the questions in the beginning and get a string of faces from them, as shown here.
Oh yeah I do know that but you aren't necessarily meant to know that as a player. If you don't know then it'd be pretty much random to you, there isn't much customization there.
Guest12345678
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I'm very split on this issue, its hard to blame Nintendo when allowing the option to identify as homosexual might raise a shit storm, a shit storm no company wants to deal with. Also Nintendo is especially vulnerable since they market a lot to children. Ya your right children don't need to be shielded from sexuality, but unfortunately a lot of people don't see it that way and they are very vocal. That being said if people don't express themselves about wanting to identify as gay, why would Nintendo or any company change. I think when these sorts of issues come up its important to identify that its understandable that a company doesn't give the option to be gay, but that doesn't mean people should shut up about wanting an option to be gay. In fact if you want to play as a gay character you should let it be known and should encourage others who feel the same way to express themselves. Unlike what people may say Nintendo does listen, and they will change if they see reason too.
Also if I'm correct games like the Sim's have options for same sex relationships and unless I'm wrong they have the same target demographic, so if it didn't get flack then Nintendo really should be more confident about including same sex relationships in Tomodachi collection.
Note: I know i jumped around a bit, hope yall followed what I was trying to say.
Guest12345678
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I think if they were to implement a skin color system they should just present it as an option. When you give a character a skin color based on responses to questions that's going to open up a gnarly can of worms.
ahh, okay, gotcha.
Up to the wii version i just ran with the random face I got, but for 3DS I was meticulous with which one I wanted, so the randomness was lost on me.
I agree, like I stated I'd like to see it similar to pokemon, looking into a mirror or something similar. Like, choosing your face and then getting a mirror to look in to select the tone.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, I think the good press that Nintendo can gain if they put gay options will dwarf any possible ramifications from those that may disagree... not that Nintendo should morally care about what they think in the first place, of course.
If BioWare can do it, then Nintendo should be able to do it. Hell, the ending for Mass Effect 3 caused wayyyyyyyyyyy higher shitstorm than the fact that Shepard can go gay in the game, hahaha.
If BioWare can do it, then Nintendo should be able to do it. Hell, the ending for Mass Effect 3 caused wayyyyyyyyyyy higher shitstorm than the fact that Shepard can go gay in the game, hahaha.
Right that makes sense, I did go with box art guy in New Leaf myself. I generally gave preferred to let the game do its thing though, there are some pretty wonky faces in there!
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing some true customization in Animal Crossing and if they'd implement it I'd be very surprised if they wouldn't let you choose your skin colour. It's just that as of now they aren't really letting you do that in the first place y'know?
Captain Europe
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You mean bigots?
And it's quite simple really, there should be an option like there is for blonde hair or green eyes... basically you treat it like any other genetic trait, crazy I know!
Guest12345678
Member
I think nintendos much more afraid of touching contreversial issues than EA so theyll be hesitant. It would be cool if we could some how inform people about doing clubnintendo surveys to let their opinions be known. Probably some sort of twitter campaign or something.
I'd totally be up for a twitter campaign. The only thing that came to mind was a petition, but I thought it'd be a bit pretentious. Nintendo have a lot in social media, too so I think it'd be a good fit.
Nintendo may not be able to change the game in time for launch, but it's still very possible that they could put out an update for the game in the future. They've done plenty of updates like this for Nintendo 3DS games before, whether it's just a simple bug fix (Mario Kart 7, Pokémon X & Y, etc.) or a full blown update with new features and content (Style Savvy: Trendsetters, Steel Diver: Sub Wars), so it's very possible that they might do it for Tomodachi Life.
Additionally, a downloadable update like this would give people a choice. If you really don't want any trace of same sex relationships in your game...don't download the update.
Guest12345678
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Im going to try to get my friends who feel the same way too do the clubnintendo survey, i'd love to do something on twitter but i have a phobia of social medias.
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Nintendo patched out a glitch that allowed for gay characters in japan so i think its very feasible to update it after launch.
POWERSPHERE
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Gay fear is ridiculous. When will society grow up?
The Miis have their own routines and will go to different locations by themselves (I think this is partly dependent on the time and which day it is). When they're at home they will sometimes ask favors of you ("I want something to eat", "I want a new hat", etc), play mini-games with you or they will be doing something by themselves and you can only watch.
When they're out, you can normally only observe.
There is less interactivity than in games like Animal Crossing and The Sims. It's actually comparable to the Sims with the "Sims have their own will" meter all the way up
Oh God, yes.
MaxwellGT2000
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My body was not ready for all that cocaine Nintendo did before making the announcement. 11/10 will buy!
I believe one of the biggest problems regarding gay relationships is that it takes two to tango. You can tell the game your own sexual orientation, but it can't know the orientation of all the other Miis, and simply assuming all characters are potentially gay or letting the player make that decision for NPC Miis is simply not a good idea, because unlike NPCs in other games, Miis usually are avatars of real people. Combine that with the whole photo sharing thing and you're just asking for trouble. It's simply much safer to assume everyone is hetero because that's the "norm".
Your own Mii is a NPC. You control YOU not your Mii. You can edit the personality of every Mii so adding in sexuality preference would be possible.
Guest12345678
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I don't understand, why can't it know the sexual orientation of other mii's. Also why would randomly assigning sexual orientation be a bad idea.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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Well standing in the sun for countless hours to get darker skin, temporarily, is as acceptable a compromise as setting a male Mii to female so two male (looking) Mii's can get it on.
Both are ridiculous, clearly and yet the AC example is seen as okay. Nobody started petitions or boycotted that game. That's what irks me a bit. Stand against all forms of exclusion, not just those that affect you personally.
Both are ridiculous, clearly and yet the AC example is seen as okay. Nobody started petitions or boycotted that game. That's what irks me a bit. Stand against all forms of exclusion, not just those that affect you personally.
Possible? Certainly. A good idea? Probably not.
Also, it doesn't matter if you control your NPC or not. It's your Mii, so it's your decision. You can't decide for other Miis.