Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun

You want to know why I am more and more convinced by the day that Pac-man and Ridley won't be playable?

Because there seems to be a massive group of people who are convinced with little reason that they are definitely in. When it comes to newcomers, nothing is surety, and if past experience has taught anything, its that often the new characters are predicted by very few if anybody.

I would be willing to avatar bet that neither Ridley or Pacman is playable in this iteration. Any takers?
 
You want to know why I am more and more convinced by the day that Pac-man and Ridley won't be playable?

Because there seems to be a massive group of people who are convinced with little reason that they are definitely in. When it comes to newcomers, nothing is surety, and if past experience has taught anything, its that often the new characters are predicted by very few if anybody.

I would be willing to avatar bet that neither Ridley or Pacman is playable in this iteration. Any takers?

A lot of us are assuming Pac Man off the rumor/"leak" that came before E3 that said "WFT, Villager, Megaman, Pac Man, Little Mac, and Mii will be playable" thus far 4 of the 6 have been confirmed. Same rumor/"leaker" said the day before the most recent direct that X/Y Pokemon, Shulk,Palutena, Chrom, and Chorus Guy will be playable and of course we just got an X/Y Pokemon in Greninja. So he's got 5/11 so far either he's got some incredible guessing skills, or it's a legit leak.
 
I know I get on the "Brawl haters" boat far too often, but I just don't understand how anyone could feel this way looking at the two games in any sort of objective manner.

Everything Melee included had purpose in the grand scheme of the game. Every mode, every element was Smash Bros. Most of the additions Brawl had were in breadth, in things that were never Smash Bros. - the trophy shot minigame, the list of Nintendo-published games on every system, the random VC demos... the only thing of significance Brawl added was Stickers, and even those were a fairly simple manner of just pulling a ton of concept art from old Nintendo games.

And in nearly every facet Melee had more effort put into it. Melee's Trophies had a significant amount that were brand new models, whether to represent games that hadn't been in 3D before or simply to look good (did they need to make new 3D models for every Mario character they did?). Brawl had a few new models, but very, very few in comparison. The vast majority of Brawl's Trophies were simply imported from some new game or another - they obviously didn't put in anywhere near Melee's level of effort into that mode.

Most of Brawl's Events felt uninspired and halfassed when compared to Melee. Brawl had nothing that was at the level of Events like Legendary Pokemon, for instance. And I shouldn't have to even say anything about Target Smash, a mode utterly gutted somewhere along the line by the Brawl development process.

Even outside of speaking about stage design or some of Brawl's other unfortunate decisions in regards to modes (All-Star Mode, may you rest in peace), Brawl felt less like a cohesive package and more like a rushed product than Melee ever did.

Which is a big part of why I hope Smash 4 had more Melee and less Brawl.
He's talking about the way Melee was rushed and Sakurai ran an incredibly stressful work day the last few months, often getting little to no sleep, to the extent that Melee was what truly made him leave HAL
 
current expectations for this game:

1. it plays like brawl

2. no one is as broken as brawl meta knight

3. no tripping



I think that's an okay game right there.
 
It would be cool if Sakurai announced the number of the size of the roster.

People would go insane trying to guess the slots.

And even more insane as each person was revealed and we got down to 1, haha.
 
Avatar bets are dumb but Pac-Man was locked in the second they revealed Namco assist trophies and Pac-Man wasn't one of them.

This too, with Namco items/assist being in the game Namco Bandai Namco getting a playable character was more or less confirmed. Other then Pac Man who really fits in with Nintendo characters? Heck Pac Man has appeared in two Mario Kart games already (arcade titles yes). If you have a good suggestion for a Namco character that is more iconic please let me know
 
It would be cool if Sakurai announced the number of the size of the roster.

People would go insane trying to guess the slots.

And even more insane as each person was revealed and we got down to 1, haha.
I would only be okay with this if the number he gave us was actually smaller than the true final roster.

So everyone totally figures out the roster and we have all the character reveals, but then someone's playing the game and suddenly one more newcomer is revealed...

He's talking about the way Melee was rushed and Sakurai ran an incredibly stressful work day the last few months, often getting little to no sleep, to the extent that Melee was what truly made him leave HAL
I thought he primarily left HAL because he was sick of making Kirby sequels all the time? A stressful work schedule would make more sense, mind, but it would be a little odd if he left HAL because of Smash Bros. only to continue to make Smash Bros. games away from HAL.
 
Do you think we have the entire starting rooster revealed yet?
It's already pretty big but I guess some of the already revealed one will be secrets.
 
There's something odd about this picture...



FD stages remove hazards right? Well Metroid stages are notorious for lava so... Ridley isn't the hazard. That wouldn't be a fun stage to play on with a Boss and lava. If you go back and look at several Pyrosphere pics they either have shots with lava in them, or shots with the camera away from the lava hatch. So it's hard to prove this true or not. We haven't had pics from under the stage either.

Notice that the little purple tube things on the bottom of the stage change too. I figure that means something.
 
You know avatar bets are becoming stupidly frequent and just replace any form of discussion or debate. You think something will happen in the game, and instead of trying to discuss/debate about it with other members, it just goes straight to "if you disagree, do an avatar bet with me".

Really, there is no discussion here at all. I know some people do it for fun, but it seems to replace any form of discussion.

Who knows, maybe it is for the better instead of going into endless debates.
 
Mortal Kombat Armageddon had 63

Dbz budokai tenkaichi 3 had like 160ish characters

Capcom vs snk 3 had 48 iirc

So its not unheard of

And isn't Tekken supposed to be really balanced, and also made by Namco?

I don't know why people have so little faith in 50 characters still being a balanced and competitive game. Especially when we have post launch patches now.

Those games have the advantage of being mostly composed of characters that are completely made up. Smash is just the opposite, and has to represent it's characters very intricately - it's not nearly as easy. Not to mention the battle systems' depths are very different. There's a reason Super Smash Bros. is one of a kind.
 
You know avatar bets are becoming stupidly frequent and just replace any form of discussion or debate. You think something will happen in the game, and instead of trying to discuss/debate about it with other members, it just goes straight to "if you disagree, do an avatar bet with me".

Really, there is no discussion here at all. I know some people do it for fun, but it seems to replace any form of discussion.

Who knows, maybe it is for the better instead of going into endless debates.

I think this is probably true. All we're doing is speculating, after all. Discussion will just lead to talking it circles, stupid fights, or, more than likely, "we'll just have to wait and see."

At least this puts something a little more interesting on that "wait and see."
 
I would only be okay with this if the number he gave us was actually smaller than the true final roster.

So everyone totally figures out the roster and we have all the character reveals, but then someone's playing the game and suddenly one more newcomer is revealed...


I thought he primarily left HAL because he was sick of making Kirby sequels all the time? A stressful work schedule would make more sense, mind, but it would be a little odd if he left HAL because of Smash Bros. only to continue to make Smash Bros. games away from HAL.

no screw that
I'd want it to be the real final number, the final reveal would break the internet as every character's fanbase is at each other's throats
 
current expectations for this game:

1. it plays like brawl

2. no one is as broken as brawl meta knight

3. no tripping



I think that's an okay game right there.

How about
1. It doesn't play like Brawl/it only does so slightly
2. EVERYONE is as broken as Brawl Meta Knight
3. No tripping

That would be amazing

I think 2 would be awesome based around how broken all the pokemon in Ubers are but the balanced metagame it makes
 
Notice that the little purple tube things on the bottom of the stage change too. I figure that means something.
Hmm, yea it does. Maybe it explodes? Does anyone remember if it had any significance in Other M? I don't really remember the tubes doing anything, actually, I don't remember the tubes being there at all lol.
 
A lot of us are assuming Pac Man off the rumor/"leak" that came before E3 that said "WFT, Villager, Megaman, Pac Man, Little Mac, and Mii will be playable" thus far 4 of the 6 have been confirmed. Same rumor/"leaker" said the day before the most recent direct that X/Y Pokemon, Shulk,Palutena, Chrom, and Chorus Guy will be playable and of course we just got an X/Y Pokemon in Greninja. So he's got 5/11 so far either he's got some incredible guessing skills, or it's a legit leak.

So because one guy who currently has less than 50% on characters revealed picks some oddballs and is right, it means he is a definite leaker? I mean, the same guy failed to predict Rosalina, so already he has been wrong before. The shame with this is that when the guy is wrong, as we've shown before, no one says he is wrong, just that he is "not right yet". I mean, lets be real here- X/Y Pokemon is not a massive leap like Wii Fit Trainer was. The guy has still yet to be proven on Pac-man and Mii, which that even at his best he is 2/3, and pretty much every other prediction sounds like an echo of SmashBoards rather than a definite roster.

Hell, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but I'm very skeptical of placing any sort of great credibility in the guy.

If I took that bet, if one of them got in then I win?

Yessir. If either of them get in, I lose.
 
So because one guy who currently has less than 50% on characters revealed picks some oddballs and is right, it means he is a definite leaker? I mean, the same guy failed to predict Rosalina, so already he has been wrong before. The shame with this is that when the guy is wrong, as we've shown before, no one says he is wrong, just that he is "not right yet". I mean, lets be real here- X/Y Pokemon is not a massive leap like Wii Fit Trainer was. The guy has still yet to be proven on Pac-man and Mii, which that even at his best he is 2/3, and pretty much every other prediction sounds like an echo of SmashBoards rather than a definite roster.

Hell, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but I'm very skeptical of placing any sort of great credibility in the guy.
I'll point out they never said Rosalina wasn't in or that he's revealed all the characters. And as I've noted before, assuming the leaker is credible, we don't know how they got the information, when they got it, or the extent of what they know
 
You know avatar bets are becoming stupidly frequent and just replace any form of discussion or debate. You think something will happen in the game, and instead of trying to discuss/debate about it with other members, it just goes straight to "if you disagree, do an avatar bet with me".

Really, there is no discussion here at all. I know some people do it for fun, but it seems to replace any form of discussion.

Who knows, maybe it is for the better instead of going into endless debates.

I don't know what people would use their avatar bets for. I know there are few people that are willing to end the discussions with avatar bets like Phantom being a part of moveset for Zelda.

For my case, I always view avatar bets as fun thing to do and addition to hype aspect at long waiting. For me, I love to gambling with my prediction, so no harm there for me. Everyone have different opinions on avatar bets, but it is just gambling addiction for me. ;P At least, it don't cost me any money. Haha. I strongly believe that avatar bets are pretty much interesting addition to Smash Hype because sometime it would avoid the discussion dragging on for long time. People can ended it quickly with avatar bets instead of affecting everyone with dragging arguments.



I think this is probably true. All we're doing is speculating, after all. Discussion will just lead to talking it circles, stupid fights, or, more than likely, "we'll just have to wait and see."

At least this puts something a little more interesting on that "wait and see."

Exactly!

Yessir. If either of them get in, I lose.

I will take your bet, Boomstick.
 
You know avatar bets are becoming stupidly frequent and just replace any form of discussion or debate. You think something will happen in the game, and instead of trying to discuss/debate about it with other members, it just goes straight to "if you disagree, do an avatar bet with me".

Really, there is no discussion here at all. I know some people do it for fun, but it seems to replace any form of discussion.

Who knows, maybe it is for the better instead of going into endless debates.

You forgot:
If you're Batty, it's a way to alleviate your gambling addiction without any real consequences.

:P
 
Do you think we have the entire starting rooster revealed yet?
It's already pretty big but I guess some of the already revealed one will be secrets.

I'm guessing our starting roster will between 30-35 characters, with Sonic, Mega Man, and probably Luigi being locked from the start (I feel Luigi only got confirmed early because of the Year of Luigi). Lock those 3 and it would drop us down to 26 confirmed characters, add in Ice Climbers, Meta Knight, Wario, Ness (or Lucas) gets us to 29/30, then it would depend on if we get another sometimes locked character from the start like Captain Falcon or if a character like Ike is back and is unlocked form the start. Add another 2-3 newcomers that haven't been announced and it gets us to a decent starting roster with another 10-15 to unlock.

Smash 64 had 8 unlocked from the start and 4 hidden for 12 total

Melee had 14(15 with shiek)) unlocked from the start (2 more then Smash 64 total) and 11 hidden for a total of 25 (26). Melee had 4(5) newcomers available from the start and had the rest hidden

Brawl had 21(25) unlocked from the start (4 less slots, 1 less move set then all of melee total) and 14 hidden characters for a total of 35 (39). Brawl had 9(12) newcomers available from the start.

Let's just assume for a second that all confirmed characters are starting characters and this is the final starting roster

Smash WiiU/3DS would have 29 unlocked from the start (6 less slots, 10 less move sets then all of brawl) with 6 newcomers available from the start.

It seems pretty reasonable to guess that we'll get at least another 3-4 newcomers and 3-4 vets before this game releases putting us right around Brawl's final roster to start which isn't so crazy considering how the games have worked so far.
 
I think this is probably true. All we're doing is speculating, after all. Discussion will just lead to talking it circles, stupid fights, or, more than likely, "we'll just have to wait and see."

At least this puts something a little more interesting on that "wait and see."
But when it goes straight to avatar bets, you don't have anything other than avatar bets. No speculation at all. It would at least be nice to hear two sides of the argument. If people get into stupid fights and start slinging insults, it is because they are way too invested in it. That's when other people should know to stop and realize it is best to drop it or ignore it.

Speculating is at least better than saying nothing at all.

And having an avatar bet doesn't make it not a "wait and see" thing.
 
You want to know why I am more and more convinced by the day that Pac-man and Ridley won't be playable?

Because there seems to be a massive group of people who are convinced with little reason that they are definitely in. When it comes to newcomers, nothing is surety, and if past experience has taught anything, its that often the new characters are predicted by very few if anybody.

I would be willing to avatar bet that neither Ridley or Pacman is playable in this iteration. Any takers?
I'll take a year long bet that either Ridley or Pac-Man will be playable.
 
You forgot:
If you're Batty, it's a way to alleviate your gambling addiction without any real consequences.

:P
Yeah, and besides, how else are we going to get a string of horrid avatars that Batty always wears.

He has a month of a bad avatars starting from the smash direct ending

I personally like avatar bets so as to see how long I can go preserving my current one

I'll take a year long bet that either Ridley or Pac-Man will be playable.
that's favored to your side. Do a 50/50 one, that's the only way someone will take a year long one

Ill do a 2 week long avatar bet that villager has a female skin
 
So because one guy who currently has less than 50% on characters revealed picks some oddballs and is right, it means he is a definite leaker? I mean, the same guy failed to predict Rosalina, so already he has been wrong before. The shame with this is that when the guy is wrong, as we've shown before, no one says he is wrong, just that he is "not right yet". I mean, lets be real here- X/Y Pokemon is not a massive leap like Wii Fit Trainer was. The guy has still yet to be proven on Pac-man and Mii, which that even at his best he is 2/3, and pretty much every other prediction sounds like an echo of SmashBoards rather than a definite roster.

Hell, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, but I'm very skeptical of placing any sort of great credibility in the guy.

Anyone who predicts WFT (who NO ONE guessed stop revising history to make this choice seem logical) is either god like or knows something we don't. Add in the fact he also got Villager (who Sakurai had gone on the record saying didn't make sense in Smash), Mega Man (highly requested but 3rd party), and Little Mac (another who Sakurai went on the record saying wouldn't work) it's obvious that he knows something we don't.

I will give you that someone saying "herp derp X/Y pokemon will be playable" is being super safe, same with Palutena after the "leak" and trolling from Sakurai, but as a whole he's only been right and we can't prove him wrong at this point unlike so many other leakers at this point in the game.
 
I'm going to put my head through a wall if people still doubt the veracity of the Gematsu leaks after a Rhythm Heaven character is confirmed.
 
I'm going to put my head through a wall if people still doubt the veracity of the Gematsu leaks after a Rhythm Heaven character is confirmed.

I think you would have done that by now if you read people's arguments at smashboard. (no offense smashboard)
 
I'm going to put my head through a wall if people still doubt the veracity of the Gematsu leaks after a Rhythm Heaven character is confirmed.

Nah man both wii fit trainer and a rhythm heaven character were OBVIOUS if you think about it, the rest are safe picks that everyone has *puts on tin foil hat*
 
current expectations for this game:

1. it plays like brawl

2. no one is as broken as brawl meta knight

3. no tripping



I think that's an okay game right there.
I like this. As long as the game isn't on fast forward like Melee, it will be fine to me. Thank god they already confirmed no tripping for the game.

It was essentially my only problem with Brawl.
 
. When it comes to newcomers, nothing is surety, and if past experience has taught anything, its that often the new characters are predicted by very few if anybody.

This is false. While I do agree that newcomers can be surprising and unexpected, there have always been newcomers that were easy to predict. In Brawl, a ton of people had Diddy, Ike, Dedede, Olimar, Lucas, and Lucario in their prediction lists. They was plenty of evidence to be confident in their inclusion.

SSB4's roster has been more unpredictable than Brawl, but characters like Rosalina, Mega Man, Villager, and Little Mac were not predicted by just a few small amount of people. Hell, since the game was announced, I've been almost certain that Palutena is going to be playable. She's a reasonable prediction.

So ever since we found out that Namco is co-developing, Pac-Man has always seemed like a reasonable prediction. I won't say it's guaranteed though.
 
We already get things like a Captain Falcon with Blood Falcon's emblem and Peach in Daisy colors, including hair and skin color change. If you think alternates would hurt characters' identity, I don't see how those things aren't doing that already. If they already give Peach's Daisy colors, outright giving her Daisy's hairstyle and dress model, which would mostly change her front bangs and some more dress details, is hardly that big of a stretch. As far as representation and moveset goes, we have a case like Ness, where he mostly isn't even using his own attacks.

Now, we haven't seen alts that actually change a characters' name, but the Wii Fit Trainer suggests that even voice isn't out of limit this time. Besides, this time we seen to get a quite few trophies modeled just for Smash again. If they're going out of their way to make new models, why not make models that can actually add to the gameplay's visual too, and not just the trophy gallery?
The Blood Falcon skin is identical to C.Falcon, so it was simply a matter of changing the emblem on the skin, with alts like that there's not much effort involved, so it's kinda like "Why not?". Peach's "Daisy" skin is just a simple recolour, but they'd have to change the voices, and as I said, it doesn't really match Daisy's personality, so just for the sake of having her there it's unnecessary.

With the WFTs, that's a completely different situation, so maybe I'm not getting my point across properly, but they're the same character, and even though it's un-needed to have both, it doesn't necessarily hurt since they both have a role to fill together.

What's irked me is that a lot of people are asking for every single character to get an alternate skin just because one or two characters where it seems applicable have got one on the off chance. Characters like Pikachu or DK wouldn't even have alternates to fall back on if everyone got one, they'd really be scraping the barrel and it just seems unnecessary personally. Homages within colourschemes are cute but we don't need Mr L-Luigi, Paper Luigi, and Mansion Luigi as alternates just for the sake of it.

I think another common request I see is to include a version of characters in their retro sprite forms, which wouldn't work for a number of reasons, and would probably need to be a separate game (or play Super Smash Flash).

I probably sound really bitter, and I'm not saying I would say no to having these kind of alternates, heck I'd probably pay for them if they were DLC, but it rubs me the wrong way when the characters look amazing as they are, and we don't need obscure references to spin-offs for the sake of it, even if it is a celebration of all things Nintendo, ya feel?
 
Anyone who predicts WFT (who NO ONE guessed stop revising history to make this choice seem logical) is either god like or knows something we don't. Add in the fact he also got Villager (who Sakurai had gone on the record saying didn't make sense in Smash), Mega Man (highly requested but 3rd party), and Little Mac (another who Sakurai went on the record saying wouldn't work) it's obvious that he knows something we don't.

I will give you that someone saying "herp derp X/Y pokemon will be playable" is being super safe, same with Palutena after the "leak" and trolling from Sakurai, but as a whole he's only been right and we can't prove him wrong at this point unlike so many other leakers at this point in the game.

I think everyone should realize that the rumor is already at a year old, so character selection for Smash could have obviously changed at this point. He already got 4/6 of the original rumor at this point, that's great.

I don't know if I can give him any credit for just getting X/Y Pokemon because that's just too vague.
 
I'll take a year long bet that either Ridley or Pac-Man will be playable.

Sorry, I'm not that ballsy. I am like 95% sure, but a year is a very long time. I'd be willing to do it for a shorter time though.

I forget to ask; what is condition? 1 week or 2 weeks avatar? Please keep the avatars clean.

Lets keep it at 2 weeks. Should be good enough.

Anyone who predicts WFT (who NO ONE guessed stop revising history to make this choice seem logical) is either god like or knows something we don't. Add in the fact he also got Villager (who Sakurai had gone on the record saying didn't make sense in Smash), Mega Man (highly requested but 3rd party), and Little Mac (another who Sakurai went on the record saying wouldn't work) it's obvious that he knows something we don't.

I will give you that someone saying "herp derp X/Y pokemon will be playable" is being super safe, same with Palutena after the "leak" and trolling from Sakurai, but as a whole he's only been right and we can't prove him wrong at this point unlike so many other leakers at this point in the game.

Eh I'm still doubtful. To say that the guy getting 4/6 right on the first pass, especially considering how odd they are, does seem to lend an air of credibility, but I rarely ever believe the "leakers". They are very rarely legitimate, and even fewer of them are spot on.

This is false. While I do agree that newcomers can be surprising and unexpected, there have always been newcomers that were easy to predict. In Brawl, a ton of people had Diddy, Ike, Dedede, Olimar, Lucas, and Lucario in their prediction lists. They was plenty of evidence to be confident in their inclusion.

SSB4's roster has been more unpredictable than Brawl, but characters like Rosalina, Mega Man, Villager, and Little Mac were not predicted by just a few small amount of people. Hell, since the game was announced, I've been almost certain that Palutena is going to be playable. She's a reasonable prediction.

So ever since we found out that Namco is co-developing, Pac-Man has always seemed like a reasonable prediction. I won't say it's guaranteed though.

The reason I say this is because Sakurai clearly has a pulse on what is popular in the Smash community right now, at least for the most part. I also know that Sakurai seems like the kind of guy to always keep people guessing, and "obvious choices" aren't really obvious. I mean, in retrospect you can say that "obviously" in, but very few people talk about the other choices that were "obviously in" but didn't get in. I remember there were some people that were convinced that Mii was going to get into Brawl, since it was so obvious, yet no such thing happened. Conversely, I don't think anyone called ROB or Snake getting in, yet there they were in Brawl.

I guess my point overall is that we can predict and guess and psychoanalyze who we believe is most likely, but at the end of the day, we can't really make obvious picks. We can hope for whoever we want (Isaac plz Sakurai), but nothing is really set in stone in terms of newcomers (for us at least).
 
I think everyone should realize that the rumor is already at a year old, so character selection for Smash could have obviously changed at this point. He already got 4/6 of the original rumor at this point, that's great.

I don't know if I can give him any credit for just getting X/Y Pokemon because that's just too vague.

Maybe he's as big a troll as Sakurai and specifically left the one he knew would be announced vague.
 
I know I get on the "Brawl haters" boat far too often, but I just don't understand how anyone could feel this way looking at the two games in any sort of objective manner.

Everything Melee included had purpose in the grand scheme of the game. Every mode, every element was Smash Bros.

Melee had some big elements like the 6 "extra" characters with almost fully reused animation sets that show pretty clearly that it was a rushed production. Add to that the odd and repetitive Adventure Mode, which most of the time ends up just feeling like a glorified Classic due to the abundance of standard fighting stage - only at least Classic in Melee had high amounts of variation, while Adventure was almost entirely the same path for every playthrough, repeating the mistake of the original Classic mode from 64. It just seems incomplete.

Brawl also incorporated Co-op in most of its game modes, easily elevating quite a few of them above their Melee counterparts, aside from "Break the Targets" and Homerun Contest for obvious reasons.

It's also quite odd to see you glorifying Melee's "let's make a bunch of models used nowhere in the game" and complain about Brawl's various extra features. They're both basically the same thing in a sense. At least Brawl's had more interactivity.

I think it's less that melee was built with a competitive ideal in mind, and more that Brawl was designed to be the antithesis of competitive play, even to the detriment of things that made it fun to everyone.

That just isn't true. If you check Sakurai's interviews from the time Brawl was released, he always talked about how Smash Bros was a more complex game and he wanted to keep it different from the other products Nintendo was making in those years, although, of course, also simple enough for new players. He said at one point that "the fighting is more advanced than before".

He only started talking about how he tried to simplify the game or Melee was for hardcore players and Brawl wasn't months after release, when he had time to see player reactions to Brawl. Those weren't his pre-release words. Really, every time I read Sakurai's excuses about Brawl it always seems like he's just trying to save face before internet fans, which is just odd, considering how it's a very divisive group.
 
Notice that the little purple tube things on the bottom of the stage change too. I figure that means something.
Also if you look at the green lights by the door they are glowing on the regular stage. I think the tubes and the lights being on have to do with the lava flowing.


Edit: Heh, I'd take a decade long bet on Pacman. Ridley.... eh, I'm pretty sure but not decade sure.
 
He only started talking about how he tried to simplify the game or Melee was for hardcore players and Brawl wasn't months after release, when he had time to see player reactions to Brawl. Those weren't his pre-release words. Really, every time I read Sakurai's excuses about Brawl it always seems like he's just trying to save face before internet fans, which is just odd, considering how it's a very divisive group.

and somehow, people believed these words
 
current expectations for this game:

1. it plays like brawl

2. no one is as broken as brawl meta knight

3. no tripping



I think that's an okay game right there.

no hitstun and super floatiness again? I'll pass
it certainly has to at least be faster from what we've seen
 
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