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[ArchedThunder]

Just like how they're using the Zelda U designs for Link & Zelda?

Shhh, the TP designs they've shown are just alt costumes.
Believe.

 

[GamerSoul]

I think Sakurai is holding off showing some veteran characters that may have been retooled more than usual, like ZSS and . He did mention holding off on Yoshi to show off his changes. It probably won't be true for some though.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Shhh, the TP designs they've shown are just alt costumes.
Believe.

I don't see high quality CG Renders for Wireframe Mac & Male WFT.

 

[Zalman]

I think Sakurai is holding off showing some veteran characters that may have been retooled more than usual, like ZSS and . He did mention holding off on Yoshi to show off his changes. It probably won't be true for some though.

I can totally see Ganondorf being completely different this time. He is changing so many characters for this game. Leaving Ganondorf the same doesn't make sense anymore.

 

[ArchedThunder]

I don't see high quality CG Renders for Wireframe Mac & Male WFT.

They're hiding.

 

[theprodigy]

I think Sakurai is holding off showing some veteran characters that may have been retooled more than usual, like ZSS and . He did mention holding off on Yoshi to show off his changes. It probably won't be true for some though.

whoa new avatar!

I can totally see Ganondorf being completely different this time. He is changing so many characters for this game. Leaving Ganondorf the same doesn't make sense anymore.

that's what you think
then he'll be same old Ganon

 

[DeVeAn]

Is it possible any Veterans don't make a return?

 

[ArchedThunder]

whoa new avatar!



that's what you think
then he'll be same old Ganon

And by that you mean he'll be a big blue pig with a trident.

Is it possible any Veterans don't make a return?

Not everyone from Melee made it into Brawl.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I think Sakurai is holding off showing some veteran characters that may have been retooled more than usual, like ZSS and . He did mention holding off on Yoshi to show off his changes. It probably won't be true for some though.

He's hiding them because most of them are going to be the unlockables again, just like Brawl. The only reason he showed Luigi early was because of Year of Luigi.

 

[ArchedThunder]

He's hiding them because most of them are going to be the unlockables again, just like Brawl. The only reason he showed Luigi early was because of Year of Luigi.

That is assuming there even are unlockables. The entire casts of most fighting games these days are unlocked from the start.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

That is assuming there even are unlockables. The entire casts of most fighting games these days are unlocked from the start.

Nintendo's usually at least 5 years behind everyone else.

Would there be a point to keeping characters secret? The internet is likely to spoil any hidden characters.

See previous answer.

 

[theprodigy]

That is assuming there even are unlockables. The entire casts of most fighting games these days are unlocked from the start.

Wanna bet on that

 

[Amazeballs]

He's hiding them because most of them are going to be the unlockables again, just like Brawl. The only reason he showed Luigi early was because of Year of Luigi.

Would there be a point to keeping characters secret? The internet is likely to spoil any hidden characters.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Wanna bet on that

I never bet on anything because I'm too smart.

Nintendo's usually at least 5 years behind everyone else.

Namco tho.
Also Sakurai plays games that aren't on Nintendo systems, unlike the rest of Nintendo.

 

[theprodigy]

I never bet on anything because I'm too smart.

Namco tho.
Also Sakurai plays games that aren't on Nintendo systems, unlike the rest of Nintendo.

You haven't forgotten that comment about not having cutscenes (?) because it'd just be spoiled, right.

 

[ArchedThunder]

You haven't forgotten that comment about not having cutscenes (?) because it'd just be spoiled, right.

Nope, that same reason for not having cutscenes cool be applied to unlockable characters though.

 

[GamerSoul]

whoa new avatar!

that's what you think
then he'll be same old Ganon

just for now probably. I'm feeling a little hyped for the new borderlands so I gotta show a little love. My smash hype is invading other games now. lol. yet another game with a fall release though :l

I hope not, especially with all these nice upgrades everyone is getting. And yea he might be an unlockable again, I guess.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

You haven't forgotten that comment about not having cutscenes (?) because it'd just be spoiled, right.

So you're saying that any characters that would have been unlockable are just going to be cut outright?

 

[ArchedThunder]

So you're saying that any characters that would have been unlockable are just going to be cut outright?

This is exactly how video games work.

 

[theprodigy]

Nope, that same reason for not having cutscenes cool be applied to unlockable characters though.

So you're saying that any characters that would have been unlockable are just going to be cut outright?

That was addressed at the comments about Sakurai being ahead of the rest of Nintendo, not having unlockable characters >_>

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

This is exactly how video games work.

They just might in Nintendo-Land. Real world logic and common sense do not apply there.

 

[DisconnectD]

Thanks go to DaBoss as usual for add one to the official Smash GAF Smash 4 Mechanics/Move change list

I've added Charizard, new Diddy and Pit stuff to it. Enjoy & keep up the superb analysis, DaBoss!

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=102520709&postcount=9491

 

[Terrell]

This talk of cuts here is strange... everyone mutually agrees that no one can be cut and we should all just hug it out.... oh man, are some of you in for a rude awakening.

I've been burned by this with the Mewtwo exclusion in Brawl, and NO, Lucario tried and failed to make up for it. After that, I keep my feelings out of character discussions.

But I suppose everyone has to learn this lesson the hard way, don't they?

All I remember about Mewtwo is that I like his grab/throws.

Indeed. Best throws I've seen in any Smash game.

Also Sakurai plays games that aren't on Nintendo systems, unlike the rest of Nintendo.

LOLWUT

 

[fredrancour]

This talk of cuts here is strange... everyone mutually agrees that no one can be cut and we should all just hug it out.... oh man, are some of you in for a rude awakening.

I've been burned by this with the Mewtwo exclusion in Brawl, and NO, Lucario tried and failed to make up for it. After that, I keep my feelings out of character discussions.

But I suppose everyone has to learn this lesson the hard way, don't they?



Indeed. Best throws I've seen in any Smash game.

Lucas is doomed. I've already resigned myself to it.

 

[Kyzon]

More development time + started out porting brawl + bigger team = roster cuts all around... somehow.

 

[Boss Doggie]

roughly 39 mins til drop off

 

[Kyzon]

Also Sakurai plays games that aren't on Nintendo systems, unlike the rest of Nintendo.

Iwata has a PS3 and Miyamoto enjoys Angry Birds on his phone

 

[Terrell]

More development time + started out porting brawl + bigger team = roster cuts all around... somehow.

You forgot to add a whole other device it's being developed for. Y'know, the one with the comparatively severe hardware handicap that the game is being released on first.

 

[ArchedThunder]

More development time + started out porting brawl + bigger team = roster cuts all around... somehow.

HD is hard tho gais

 

[theprodigy]

Iwata has a PS3 and Miyamoto enjoys Angry Birds on his phone

Miyamoto making an iOS game confirmed

 

[Jawmuncher]

Namco helping out I think will be a bigger deal than people think.

 

[jmizzal]

I think Sakurai is holding off showing some veteran characters that may have been retooled more than usual, like ZSS and . He did mention holding off on Yoshi to show off his changes. It probably won't be true for some though.

Yup, thats what i'm thinking, since they will have new move sets and no longer clones they will be reveled late

 

[Benzychenz]

Unlockables are fun, having everyone from the start would be disappointing.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Namco helping out I think will be a bigger deal than people think.

They aren't really helping out, they are straight up making the game, Sakurai has to go to a Namco building everyday for work.

 

[theprodigy]

Namco helping out I think will be a bigger deal than people think.

Depends, which front are you talking about here.

 

[Amazeballs]

Namco helping out I think will be a bigger deal than people think.

They do have more experience with HD development. Is Monolith helping out with assets in this game as well?

As far as I can tell the game's balance will be the biggest limiting factor to the roster size.

 

[jmizzal]

Unlockables are fun, having everyone from the start would be disappointing.

I think they can still be unlockable but still shown off before release, I mean whats the point of hiding guys whos been in the games before

 

[JoeM86]

Miyamoto making an iOS game confirmed

Miyamoto playing iOS games. Learns of microtransactions.

Rusty's Real Baseball is created

 

[Oblivion]

So...I haven't seen this until today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqxDPJmO6f8

It's another off screen recording of the exhibition match at E3 last year, except it's much closer view than the other videos. At this point it's the best video we have to gauge how the game will look (in terms of speed) as it's as close to 60 fps as you can get on youtube.

Thoughts?

 

[theprodigy]

They do have more experience with HD development. Is Monolith helping out with assets in this game as well?

As far as I can tell the game's balance will be the biggest limiting factor to the roster size.

huh?
where'd you get that from

 

[ArchedThunder]

huh?
where'd you get that from

There is a second Monolith studio that does nothing but make assets for Nintendo games, people aways get them mixed up with Monolith proper.

 

[StreetsAhead]

There is a second Monolith studio that does nothing but make assets for Nintendo games, people aways get them mixed up with Monolith proper.

So far, though, Kyoto Monolith has only worked on Kyoto EAD games.

 

[Kyzon]

You forgot to add a whole other device it's being developed for. Y'know, the one with the comparatively severe hardware handicap that the game is being released on first.

I wouldn't say that it's dragging down development though. I'd say this is kind of a similar situation to DKC:Returns though they have plenty of time after 3DS is gold to finish up the Wii U version stuff

HD is hard tho gais

Apparently it is

Miyamoto making an iOS game confirmed

Either that or trying to sue flappy bird for stealing Mario's pipes.

 

[Benzychenz]

I think they can still be unlockable but still shown off before release, I mean whats the point of hiding guys whos been in the games before

The only unlockable stuff that should be shown beforehand is third party characters for promotion reasons otherwise it defeats the point of them being unlockable in the first place.

 

[PorygonVandal]

I've been off since we moved the clock one hour forward so... the update should come in about 10 minutes... right?...

 

[JoeM86]

I've been off since we moved the clock one hour forward so... the update should come in about 10 minutes... right?...

Correctamundo

 

[Hatchtag]

The only unlockable stuff that should be shown beforehand is third party characters for promotion reasons otherwise it defeats the point of them being unlockable in the first place.

I don't think third parties should be unlockable. Its really stupid that they were in Brawl.
Most of Brawl's unlockables were really stupid, honestly. It was almost all veterans, few of which were at risk of getting cut (Jigglypuff's one of the last characters you unlock. Why? It was painfully obvious). Not to mention some characters were incredibly easy to unlock.

Melee having most of its unlockable characters be newcomers was a much better way to do things in my opinion. But, it was probably only able to get away with that because they didn't have to spend over a year promoting the game.

 

[GamerJM]

IMO, characters shouldn't be unlockable in the first place. I've known what they are before I unlock them every time since the first game. And I don't want to have to meet arbitrary unlock requirements just so I can play as all of the characters. I should be able to come home after buying the game and hop online and be able to play as anyone.

Though I understand why they make them unlockable, so eh.

 

[Sponge]

huh?
where'd you get that from

I think he's asking since Monolith helped with Brawl, along with Game Arts and Paon.

I think this time around, it's strictly Namco Bandai.

There is a second Monolith studio that does nothing but make assets for Nintendo games, people aways get them mixed up with Monolith proper.

This as well.

 

[theprodigy]

The only unlockable stuff that should be shown beforehand is third party characters for promotion reasons otherwise it defeats the point of them being unlockable in the first place.

That's definitely not how it works, it never has been.