Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 6: Final Destination confirmed for not fun

Spring-Loaded said:
They should have all the FE lords be alts of the same character
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Honestly, I think they should just make "clones" an official class. The idea would be characters that play similar to another character but have altered properties. They'd be accessed from the same tab as their "source" character. So Dr. Mario would be accessed from the Mario slot, Young Link from the Link slot, Pichu from the Pikachu slot, Roy from the Marth slot, etc. Chrom could be an easy Ike clone (but he'd be displayed in the slot, to be current, and Ike would be accessed from him). Then you make it easier to work on a Fire Emblem character who is truly new -- a non-sword user, for example -- while still giving people the Lords they love so much. This provides variety and fan service without cluttering the character select screen.
 
Sciz said:
It's less an issue of making the models, which can be borrowed from the source material and cleaned up, and more that all four summons have to fit in RAM simultaneously without sending him over the memory budget for a single character.
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Would the RAM needs be more or less than the full secondary movesets needed for transformations?
 
RagnarokX said:
They've considered it:
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I think we can safely say the most ridiculous high-heels in Metroid are on this thing. Speaking of which, Sanctuary Fortress stage when?

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GamerSoul said:
It caught me off guard and would be random as hell, any FE talk is good talk though.lol

And on the topic of ZSS's heels I'm ok with her design. She looks great and when we get our hands on the game the last thing we'll be worrying about is how her heels look.
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Which character do you want in the most?
 
Playable Pokémon selection is gonna be interesting.

We've got Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja confirmed so far (nice variety of types there!) Four of them. Now, Jiggly, I'd like to think Jiggly's a shoe-in because of seniority. All speculation here, but let's count Jiggs in, which takes up to five spots.

Then it gets complicated. While I find it very odd that Squirtle and Ivysaur (both of which brought unique movesets and mechanics to the table) would be cut just like that, if Sakurai really only could bring one of the PT's Pokemon back, of course he'd go with Charizard due to the dragon's popularity.

I think it's natural to think then, that either both Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone, or both are back, because I can't see them bringing back 2 of PT's Pokémon and just forgetting about the other.

Then again, Mewtwo's had a resurgence as of late. Had a role in Pokémon Origins, had new movie appearances, the only Pokémon sans Charizard to get 2 Mega Evolutions in X/Y...Hell, Sakurai has even nodded in Mewtwo's direction already:

During last week’s Pokémon X and Pokémon Y Developer Roundtable at E3 there was a Q & A session with Tsunekazu Ishihara, President and CEO of the Pokémon Company, and Junichi Masuda, Director at Game Freak. I was fortunate enough to ask the men the following question:

“Can you go into more detail on how Mewtwo changes forms, and would you like this new form to appear in the new Smash Bros.?”

Upon asking this question the audience burst into laughter. Both Tsunekazu Ishihara and Junichi Masuda also had a surprised look on their face and appeared to not know how to safely answer the question. Sakurai was also in the audience and looked as if he were thinking, “Oh man, not this again!” after the question was asked.

After a brief moment of silence, Ishihara and Masuda answered by saying they don’t have anything to announce about the new Pokémon (Mewtwo’s new form) today, and that they can’t speak on its appearance in other games. Sakurai then shouted out, from the audience, “We are thinking about it.”
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Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would make 6 spots. Six individual spots may be about the limit for a single franchise, and if Sakurai brought Ivysaur and Squirtle back on top of this, that'd be eight spots for Pokémon alone, and I have my doubts about Sakurai allowing Pokémon to take over that large a percentage of the final roster. Hmmm....
 
Karsticles said:
Did you just become a member? Grats if so.

Hooded Robin still won't be the right size. I would rather not have him in. It is awkward.

Also, @ theprodigy: Megaman has 4 models made just for his final smash. I think this Chrom idea is reasonable. Will it happen? Probably not, but it'd be awesome.
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I did indeedy! Robin's still deserving of a place in Smash regardless of the size Sakurai makes him/her be.

theprodigy said:
imagine a 4 Chrom match dropping frames like crazy
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And remember this would have to be in the 3DS version as well xD

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Richie said:
Playable Pokémon selection is gonna be interesting.

We've got Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja confirmed so far (nice variety of types there!) Four of them. Now, Jiggly, I'd like to think Jiggly's a shoe-in because of seniority. All speculation here, but let's count Jiggs in, which takes up to five spots.

Then it gets complicated. While I find it very odd that Squirtle and Ivysaur (both of which brought unique movesets and mechanics to the table) would be cut just like that, if Sakurai really only could bring one of the PT's Pokemon back, of course he'd go with Charizard due to the dragon's popularity.

I think it's natural to think then, that either both Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone, or both are back, because I can't see them bringing back 2 of PT's Pokémon and just forgetting about the other.

Then again, Mewtwo's had a resurgence as of late. Had a role in Pokémon Origins, had new movie appearances, the only Pokémon sans Charizard to get 2 Mega Evolutions in X/Y...Hell, Sakurai has even nodded in Mewtwo's direction already:

Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would make 6 spots. Six individual spots may be about the limit for a single franchise, and if Sakurai brought Ivysaur and Squirtle back on top of this, that'd be eight spots for Pokémon alone, and I have my doubts about Sakurai allowing Pokémon to take over that large a percentage of the final roster. Hmmm....
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It's best not to get your hopes up - Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone.
 
Richie said:
Playable Pokémon selection is gonna be interesting.

We've got Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja confirmed so far (nice variety of types there!) Four of them. Now, Jiggly, I'd like to think Jiggly's a shoe-in because of seniority. All speculation here, but let's count Jiggs in, which takes up to five spots.

Then it gets complicated. While I find it very odd that Squirtle and Ivysaur (both of which brought unique movesets and mechanics to the table) would be cut just like that, if Sakurai really only could bring one of the PT's Pokemon back, of course he'd go with Charizard due to the dragon's popularity.

I think it's natural to think then, that either both Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone, or both are back, because I can't see them bringing back 2 of PT's Pokémon and just forgetting about the other.

Then again, Mewtwo's had a resurgence as of late. Had a role in Pokémon Origins, had new movie appearances, the only Pokémon sans Charizard to get 2 Mega Evolutions in X/Y...Hell, Sakurai has even nodded in Mewtwo's direction already:



Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would make 6 spots. Six individual spots may be about the limit for a single franchise, and if Sakurai brought Ivysaur and Squirtle back on top of this, that'd be eight spots for Pokémon alone, and I have my doubts about Sakurai allowing Pokémon to take over that large a percentage of the final roster. Hmmm....
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Surely he'd be reluctant to ditch Jiggly considering she was an original character? That would make 9! I doubt that will happen..
 
Richie said:
Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo would make 6 spots. Six individual spots may be about the limit for a single franchise, and if Sakurai brought Ivysaur and Squirtle back on top of this, that'd be eight spots for Pokémon alone, and I have my doubts about Sakurai allowing Pokémon to take over that large a percentage of the final roster. Hmmm....
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Eight characters from a bestselling franchise that features ~720 characters isn't exactly unreasonable -- especially when the eight in question are all unique selections. I can see Jiggs, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Mewtwo all coming back. But just to avoid disappointment, I'm focusing on how happy I am to have Greninja and Charizard. :-)
 
Neiteio said:
Eight characters from a bestselling franchise that features ~720 characters isn't exactly unreasonable -- especially when the eight in question are all unique selections. I can see Jiggs, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Mewtwo all coming back. But just to avoid disappointment, I'm focusing on how happy I am to have Greninja and Charizard. :-)
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You and I stand on the same ground, I personally would be happy as can be if all of those made it back (I'm against cuts as a general principle, even moreso when the affected characters had unique movesets...which, funnily enough, applies to Mewtwo). But...

RiggyRob said:
It's best not to get your hopes up - Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone.
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I'm molding my expectations to go by this.

Hah, that Mewtwo shout from Sakurai. For fun, I'm imagining the man actually hates Mewtwo, has no intention to include him and was trolling with his audience, because it makes "Sakurai was also in the audience and looked as if he were thinking, “Oh man, not this again!” too hilarious in my mind.
 
I was just looking back at earlier screens and for some reason it hit me how much this game is differentiating itself from Brawl, especially in light of a lot of initial complaints. Not only the new characters and stages, but moveset changes, new items, animations and so on. It feels like it's all adding up to be quite a significant departure from its predecessor.
 
Squirtle and Ivysaur are definitely gone, and I sincerely doubt we're seeing any of their evolutions either.

At this point I think the Pokemon roster is the four we know so far, Sceptile (to complete the necessary starter elemental trio and possibly to advertise for Gen III's inevitable remakes), and either Jigglypuff or Mewtwo. Six seems about right, especially since Zelda could easily hit that amount as well if it gets a newcomer and Mario could very well get a hidden Newcomer to add to its count - Bowser Jr., perhaps.

I'm just concerned that Game Freak might push for Mewtwo and Jiggs might get cut. Which I guess wouldn't be too bad considering how neutered Jigglypuff was in Brawl anyway, but it would still be a bummer.
 
theprodigy said:
Which character do you want in the most?
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In terms of Fire Emblem: It's still between Lucina or Chrom. I'm rooting for Lucina more though at this point. Having a new variation of Marth's style is far more interesting than having one based on Ike's. That is to say if Chrom would really play like Ike. And another female rep would be nice.

Overall it's still Capt. Syrup. I don't know why I'm still hoping but it would be interesting to have someone like her in Smash. There aren't many villain, pirate, females in Nintendo's history and with Sakurai having a chance to work his magic I can only imagine what he would come up with.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Squirtle and Ivysaur are definitely gone, and I sincerely doubt we're seeing any of their evolutions either.

At this point I think the Pokemon roster is the four we know so far, Sceptile (to complete the necessary starter elemental trio and possibly to advertise for Gen III's inevitable remakes), and either Jigglypuff or Mewtwo. Six seems about right, especially since Zelda could easily hit that amount as well if it gets a newcomer and Mario could very well get a hidden Newcomer to add to its count - Bowser Jr., perhaps.

I'm just concerned that Game Freak might push for Mewtwo and Jiggs might get cut. Which I guess wouldn't be too bad considering how neutered Jigglypuff was in Brawl anyway, but it would still be a bummer.
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Why not more than six?

Brawl had six.
 
Toxi said:
Why not more than six?

Brawl had six.
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I guess seven could happen. It's not impossible, it just seems like a lot of Pokemon to me. Especially considering that, while Brawl technically had six Pokemon movesets, it still effectively "counted" as only four characters for purposes of character select and advertisement and the like.

I'd be pretty all right with Pikachu / Lucario / Charizard / Greninja / Sceptile / Jigglypuff / Mewtwo myself. It's kinda a big chunk of the roster, though.

Kriken said:
Fixed to fit the better fighter
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While I personally prefer Grovyle it would be pretty bizarre to have two fully evolved starters and one midstage.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Squirtle and Ivysaur are definitely gone, and I sincerely doubt we're seeing any of their evolutions either.

At this point I think the Pokemon roster is the four we know so far, Sceptile (to complete the necessary starter elemental trio and possibly to advertise for Gen III's inevitable remakes), and either Jigglypuff or Mewtwo. Six seems about right, especially since Zelda could easily hit that amount as well if it gets a newcomer and Mario could very well get a hidden Newcomer to add to its count - Bowser Jr., perhaps.

I'm just concerned that Game Freak might push for Mewtwo and Jiggs might get cut. Which I guess wouldn't be too bad considering how neutered Jigglypuff was in Brawl anyway, but it would still be a bummer.
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I'll agree with this, and I was just thinking about the pressure either Game Freak or The Pokémon Company may have put on Sakurai regarding Jigglypuff. But isn't Jiggs still quite a popular Pokémon there in Japan? Sceptile would, as you say, complete the starter elemental trio, but you'd think whoever was in charge on the Poké-side would instead present Sakurai with Blaziken, knowing it is much more popular than Sceptile (the free Torchic in X/Y points to this too), even if we've already got a fire starter in the roster, and indisputably the most famous of them all at that.
 
Richie said:
I'll agree with this, and I was just thinking about the pressure either Game Freak or The Pokémon Company may have put on Sakurai regarding Jigglypuff. But isn't Jiggs still quite a popular Pokémon there in Japan? Sceptile would, as you say, complete the starter elemental trio, but you'd think whoever was in charge on the Poké-side would instead present Sakurai with Blaziken, knowing it is much more popular than Sceptile (the free Torchic in X/Y points to this too), even if we've already got a fire starter in the roster, and indisputably the most famous of them all at that.
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If we get Blaziken I am going to be...

Well, I am definitely going to complain about it on the internet, that's for sure. Equal representation is important! A grass starter is vital.
Also I really don't like Blaziken at all. He's just another overrated fire starter...
 
C.Olimar788 said:
I guess seven could happen. It's not impossible, it just seems like a lot of Pokemon to me. Especially considering that, while Brawl technically had six Pokemon movesets, it still effectively "counted" as only four characters for purposes of character select and advertisement and the like.

I'd be pretty all right with Pikachu / Lucario / Charizard / Greninja / Sceptile / Jigglypuff / Mewtwo myself. It's kinda a big chunk of the roster, though.
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It's not a particularly big chunk of the roster considering the roster is going to be larger than Brawl's.
 
Jiggs is almost certainly returning, Mewtwo is a coin-flip that could equally go either way at this point, Ivysaur and Squirtle are fairly damn unlikely, and Sceptile is near guaranteed not to get in. If they were at all interested in completing an elemental starter trio, they'd go with the two grass starters that are included in XY, not one that hasn't at all been advertised since Gen III.
 
There's no way Sceptile will be playable. Charizard is the most popular original starter, and Greninja is the most popular recent starter -- in that respect they both make sense and complement each other. On the other hand, Sceptile is completely random and arbitrary, and it's not even the most popular starter of its generation.

After the recent reveals, I'm almost positive that Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja will constitute the Pokémon lineup.
 
Ryce said:
There's no way Sceptile will be playable. Charizard is the most popular original starter, and Greninja is the most popular recent starter -- in that respect they both make sense and complement each other. On the other hand, Sceptile is completely random and arbitrary, and it's not even the most popular starter of its generation.

After the recent reveals, I'm almost positive that Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja will constitute the Pokémon lineup.
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I agree strongly with this post. I'm expecting that same lineup, nothing more and nothing less. It looks good and makes sense.
 
Ryce said:
There's no way Sceptile will be playable. Charizard is the most popular original starter, and Greninja is the most popular recent starter -- in that respect they both make sense and complement each other. On the other hand, Sceptile is completely random and arbitrary, and it's not even the most popular starter of its generation.

After the recent reveals, I'm almost positive that Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja will constitute the Pokémon lineup.
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To be fair, Ivysaur also makes little sense by itself. But when combined with Squirtle and Charizard the three make sense as a trio. Sceptile would be similar - it would make sense as a perfectly symmetrical starter trio representing the overall Pokemon franchise (1 gen I, 1 gen III, 1 gen VI) and the fire/grass/water starter thing that the franchise has going on.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
To be fair, Ivysaur also makes little sense by itself. But when combined with Squirtle and Charizard the three make sense as a trio. Sceptile would be similar - it would make sense as a perfectly symmetrical starter trio representing the overall Pokemon franchise (1 gen I, 1 gen III, 1 gen VI) and the fire/grass/water starter thing that the franchise has going on.
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but why gen 3 in particular?
that part doesn't make sense
 
So I didn't know who this Sceptile was that everyone spoke of, so I googled it.

I then googled a list of every grass-type Pokemon.

Conclusion: starter grass type Pokemon have pretty shitty evolutions outside of Ivysaur.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
To be fair, Ivysaur also makes little sense by itself. But when combined with Squirtle and Charizard the three make sense as a trio.
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Yes, as a trio; Pokémon Trainer had a first stage, second stage, and final stage Pokémon. Sceptile would be a standalone character, and that's why it wouldn't make any sense. Charizard and Greninja are respectable additions in their own right -- Sceptile wouldn't be.
 
Terrell said:
So I didn't know who this Sceptile was that everyone spoke of, so I googled it.

I then googled a list of every grass-type Pokemon.

Conclusion: starter grass type Pokemon have pretty shitty evolutions outside of Ivysaur.
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You are, unfortunately, not wrong (generally speaking). :(
 
I'd love to have a Gen III rep, but Sceptile won't be it. It's my favorite gen but I never felt any PKMN from it had much of a chance by themselves which is why I always hoped for a R/S/E Pokémon Trainer, but I guess that won't be happening now...

(for the record, I always thought Pluse/Minun were terrible choices and I'm glad they never made it into Brawl).
 
Ryce said:
There's no way Sceptile will be playable. Charizard is the most popular original starter, and Greninja is the most popular recent starter -- in that respect they both make sense and complement each other. On the other hand, Sceptile is completely random and arbitrary, and it's not even the most popular starter of its generation.

After the recent reveals, I'm almost positive that Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Charizard, Lucario, and Greninja will constitute the Pokémon lineup.
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Sceptile is also a gen 3 starter and all signs point to a remake in the works. Plus the sanctity of grass/water/fire must be upheld.
 
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