Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

georly said:
I am spitballing/brainstorming. That's what smash-hype is all about! :)

It just reminds me of Ike's side-b, because it's a horizontal dash that is charged up, followed by a sword-swing. That's all I'm saying. I'm also using the conspiracy theory that Sheik having grenades is a sign that snake is removed, therefore, zelda having a phantom who dashes after being charged up is a sign that ike is removed.

In *NO* way do I want Ike removed, at all. I want 0 cuts, personally. I'm just throwing out random ideas.


My other random idea is that because the balloon fight stage has wrap-around, which is a mechanic that pac-man is known for, a pac-man stage, and therefore pac-man are likely to be in the game :p

I also don't want pac-man in the game, at all. But that's just me.
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This is a quote from the last thread. Seems relevant now.

Jawmuncher said:
Saw this on Gamefaqs which was from the Smashboards concerning Snake.
Might be a bit much but i like the idea here since it makes sense to me.

"Let me elaborate on why Sheik's grenades hint at Snake's return. When Mega Man was first shown off his rush coil works similar to Sonic's spring jump at the time where people doubted Sonic would return due to the fan-made "rule" of guest characters (Third-Party) not returning but this was proven wrong with Sonic's return proving that guest characters can return in the Super Smash Bros series. Later we seen Villager's boxing gloves which caused people to doubt about Little Mac's inclusion simply because it would make him "unnecessary" but this again has been proven wrong with both of them using boxing gloves. Now we seen Sheik using grenades which is similar to Snake's grenades and again people doubt about Snake's return for this very reason despite them having proven wrong TWICE before? :facepalm: It should be clear there is a pattern to it but if people haven't realize this then it is just very sad. :(" -BlueSorrow
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Ike is one of my favs, so his inclusion/exclusion is important to me. That's why I may be coming off as defensive. :-p

Ultimately, I don't know if that quote is going to pan out. Snake seems 50/50 because of licencing. I think Ike has potential to come back solely because he's not a clone in anyway and imo is kind of unique for heavy hitters, since he's pretty quick (relatively speaking of heavy hitters.)
 
-Horizon- said:
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I suck at gifs yo.
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Still love it.
 
Ryce said:
How on Earth is Star Fox 64 a remake of the original? They're nothing alike outside of vague plot similarities. I might understand SF64 being described as a semi-reimagining, but "remake" is a disingenuous attempt at making the game seem low effort.
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It has the same plot and plays the same way. It erased the old game from canon. It's like Zero Mission.
 
Beelzebufo said:
The only reason there's any discussion at all is because we're assuming the 48 minus 4 rumor is true, in which case all that doesn't matter at all. Unless you're suggesting that it will be the ice climbers due to mechanic changes.
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What's the 48 minus 4 rumor if you don't mind me asking?

And by Mechanic changes I meant the "No more transformation" change. Which got ivysaur and Squirtle axed.

If there HAD to be four cuts, I think it would be Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike, and Snake.
 
RomanceDawn said:
When I was in high school Melee was revealed at E3. When we saw Samus and Ridley appear I remember friends asking could we play as that "purple dragon from Metroid." After explaining who Ridley was I never looked back on that request. For some reason Metaknight and Ridley came up a lot back then in my circle of friends. Back then too big wasn't even conceived of.

During pre Brawl hype though Ridley did come up a lot. In Sakurai's Melee poll from Japan Ridley did score pretty well. I think everyone on that list eventually made it in to brawl except K Rool and Ridley. There are probably a few more I'm forgetting. I think Lugia as well.
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Megaman and Geno were high up on that list if i recall :)

From smashboards, referring to a poll on the dojo back in 2006:

King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)
 
TheLegendOfCap said:
What's the 48 minus 4 rumor if you don't mind me asking?

And by Mechanic changes I meant the "No more transformation" change. Which got ivysaur and Squirtle axed.

If there HAD to be four cuts, I think it would be Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike, and Snake.
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About a month ago we got a rumor with some cause for believability that there would be 48 total characters with 4 cuts. This matches up with the Chrous Boys leak and direct info.
 
Church RvB said:
This is a quote from the last thread. Seems relevant now.



Ike is one of my favs, so his inclusion/exclusion is important to me. That's why I may be coming off as defensive. :-p

Ultimately, I don't know if that quote is going to pan out. Snake seems 50/50 because of licencing. I think Ike has potential to come back solely because he's not a clone in anyway and imo is kind of unique for heavy hitters, since he's pretty quick (relatively speaking of heavy hitters.)
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I'm good with all theories, fan speculation, everything. I apologize to anyone who took offense by me saying it's a sign that ike might be cut :p

All I ever REALLLLLY meant to say was 'Zelda's new down B REMINDS me of Ike's side B.'
 
Toxi said:
You mean like Super Metroid. ;-P a lot of people joke about how Super Metroid is a remake of the first game.
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I mean I guess it's pretty comparable as well, but Zero mission still happened in the Super Metroid storyline. 64 completely erased Star Fox.

TheRedSnifit said:
Are we just changing the thread title every few hours or what?
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The first one was really really bad so it was changed to something else. People still weren't satisfied so it was changed to what it should have been in the first place.
 
Toxi said:
Yep. Very patient.

Just like Ridley comes back every Metroid game even after Samus blasted him last game, he comes back every Smash speculation season even after he didn't become playable last game.
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Hey, Ridley doesn't come back every game!, He wasn't in prime 2! and ...uhh, hunters?
 
MM > TP > OoT > SS > tWW

Mid-tier Zelda. Obviously an amazing game judged relative to the rest of the industry, but among its peers?
 
Toxi said:
Yeah, I know.

He was planned or Prime 2 though; you can find concept art of an Ing-possessed Ridley. I guess they compensated by letting you fight him twice in Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 3 (three times in Prime 3 if we include the morph ball sequence).

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Wasn't that just an alternate Meta-Ridley design from Prime 1?
 
georly said:
Megaman and Geno were high up on that list if i recall :)

From smashboards, referring to a poll on the dojo back in 2006:

King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)
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Man look at that list! I love that Ridley is up there and Sakurai has obviously acknowledged that he is an important character. If he isn't playable I have to assume that by now Sakurai really took a good look at Ridley and just concluded that he wouldn't be able to make him work like he might want.

I like King K Rool but I don't love him like I love Dixie Kong. His design always just came off as a fake Bowser to me, even when he had his pirate get up. Hope they both make it though.

And Sukapon... I never played Joy Mech Fight but darn I just love the design and ideas behind this limbless Plok like robot. His design gives of that G&W/ROB wtf vibe and he has super move set potential. Apparent;y Sakurai did consider him for Melee but thought he was too obscure! Can you believe that?

Dixie, Ridley, Mewtwo, Sukapon. Then life can truly begin.
 
TheRedSnifit said:
Are we just changing the thread title every few hours or what?
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Beelzebufo said:
I mean I guess it's pretty comparable as well, but Zero mission still happened in the Super Metroid storyline. 64 completely erased Star Fox.


The first one was really really bad so it was changed to something else. People still weren't satisfied so it was changed to what it should have been in the first place.
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For what it's worth, I don't like the current one :|

</pot stirrer>
 
Toxi said:
The best 3D Zelda will always be Metroid Prime.

Okami a shit
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I can tolerate Metroid Prime as an alternative answer, Majora's Mask and Metroid Prime both exemplify different aspects of the 3D puzzle-adventure genre.

EDIT: I used to think TP was worse than OoT, then I realised that was just nostalgia. If you play them both fresh, you'll realize that they're basically the same game, except TP does it better. Putting OoT > TP is the same as putting SMG > SMG2 just because it came first, your opinion is invalid.
 
Guys the best Zelda game is Star Fox Adventures, because it has small sections modeled on Star Fox 64, a much better game than any Zelda.
 
HK-47 said:
Ridley to be in Mario Kart 8?
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Baby Ridley can be a light character, angry teenager with a Mohawk Ridley can be a medium character, 8-bit Ridley can be a heavy character, and plain old Ridley can be a track.
Crab said:
I can tolerate Metroid Prime as an alternative answer, Majora's Mask and Metroid Prime both exemplify different aspects of the 3D puzzle-adventure genre.

EDIT: I used to think TP was worse than OoT, then I realised that was just nostalgia. If you play them both fresh, you'll realize that they're basically the same game, except TP does it better. Putting OoT > TP is the same as putting SMG > SMG2 just because it came first, your opinion is invalid.
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Majora's Mask is really damn good. I respect the effort that went into its main gimmick.
 
I hope they managed to do alternate costumes for everyone. Wishing for:

Pit - NES design Pit
Bowser - Dry Bowser
Fox - N64 design Fox
Mega Man - Proto Man
Samus - Fusion Suit
Link - Hero of Time
Donkey Kong - Funky Kong
Mario - Dr. Mario
Pikmin & Olimar - Pikmin & Louie/Charlie
Luigi - Mr. L
Peach - Strikers Design
Toon Link - Pajamas Link
Sonic - Classic Sonic
Rosalina & Luma - Cat Rosalina
Marth - Masked Marth
 
georly said:
From smashboards, referring to a poll on the dojo back in 2006:

King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)
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So, of those that we have 0 rep whatsoever (franchise or otherwise) are:

Geno(4)
Takamaru(3)
Demiru(2)
Kawasima(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)

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Takamaru.png
demiru.gif
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ouendan2_cs_0208.jpg
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Regulus Tera said:
I hope they managed to do alternate costumes for everyone. Wishing for:

Pit - NES design Pit
Bowser - Dry Bowser
Fox - N64 design Fox
Mega Man - Proto Man
Samus - Fusion Suit
Link - Hero of Time
Donkey Kong - Funky Kong
Mario - Dr. Mario
Pikmin & Olimar - Pikmin & Louie/Charlie
Luigi - Mr. L
Peach - Strikers Design
Toon Link - Pajamas Link
Sonic - Classic Sonic
Rosalina & Luma - Cat Rosalina
Marth - Masked Marth
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I think you will have to be satisfied to Project M's contributions.
 
Regulus Tera said:
I hope they managed to do alternate costumes for everyone. Wishing for:

Pit - NES design Pit
Bowser - Dry Bowser
Fox - N64 design Fox
Mega Man - Proto Man
Samus - Fusion Suit
Link - Hero of Time
Donkey Kong - Funky Kong
Mario - Dr. Mario
Pikmin & Olimar - Pikmin & Louie/Charlie
Luigi - Mr. L
Peach - Strikers Design
Toon Link - Pajamas Link
Sonic - Classic Sonic
Rosalina & Luma - Cat Rosalina
Marth - Masked Marth
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Really though?
 
Crab said:
I can tolerate Metroid Prime as an alternative answer, Majora's Mask and Metroid Prime both exemplify different aspects of the 3D puzzle-adventure genre.

EDIT: I used to think TP was worse than OoT, then I realised that was just nostalgia. If you play them both fresh, you'll realize that they're basically the same game, except TP does it better. Putting OoT > TP is the same as putting SMG > SMG2 just because it came first, your opinion is invalid.
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See, I know that a lot of TP is similar to OoT, but so much of that game just rubbed me the wrong way - I honestly believe it's the weakest 3D Zelda (unless the DS games count as 3D, gray area there...).

Few examples - being a wolf wasn't fun and didn't look cool.
Those fetch quests for the Tears of Light or whatever, ugh.
The characters did not grab me the way OoT's characters did, even though the graphics were better.
The story was confusing and forgettable (to me).
The overworld and most dungeons were just more forgettable.

Aaaaaand I have nostalgia for OoT that I don't have to TP :P
 
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