Beelzebufo
Banned
Ridley isn't suitable for a playable character, so he's a boss character. That's why he's hyping him up as a boss character. You're supposed to be happy that he's in at all.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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A week of Ridley shadows...from multiple angles incoming.
Why?
Exactly, a Unirally/racer fan will be lucky if the game is even mentioned in the Chronicles section.
ArchedThunder
Banned
This is one of the stupidest things you could say about any character for Smash. How are Villager or Wii Fit Trainer any more suitable to be a fighter? If this is another "He's too big thing" then I REALLY don't want to go over that shit again.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Sakurai seems to think his size is an issue, based on interviews and his role in past games. That seems to be the same here, he's apparently a boss again. Because he's suited for being a boss. I'm walking you through Sakurais apparent thought process.
Why wasn't Rayquaza playable in Brawl?
Green Mamba
Member
All of the arguments for Ridley's inclusion at this point (that Sakurai wouldn't be that cruel or he's trolling or whatever) are based on the default premise being that Ridley should be playable and that Sakurai knows and believes this, which may not necessarily be the case at all. Take a step back and view it from another viewpoint other than your own desires.
ArchedThunder
Banned
He also said that an Animal Crossing character wouldn't work during the same time.
MrSaturn99
Member
I felt it was obvious the moment Sakurai showed the Pyrosphere and made that one comment.
As Green Mamba said in the previous thread, the man could literally state Ridley's not playable and people would still reach for reasons as to why he actually is.
...where's that reaching for the clouds picture when you need it?
Sakurai: Neck too skinny. Would not make playable.
Sakurai also thought villager couldn't be playable back then. Try again.
Because nobody cares about Rayquaza and he's a goddamn snake. Come up with a better argument.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Villager is a confirmed character that isn't being shown as a boss.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if more people knew about Rayquaza than Ridley, for what it's worth.
Green Mamba
Member
Just because Sakurai changed his mind about a character once doesn't necessarily mean he changed his mind about another.
The point is Sakurai changes his mind.
ArchedThunder
Banned
And Ridley hasn't been confirmed to not be playable and a DIFFERENT Ridley has been teased as a possible boss. Your arguments don't work and you are just being difficult.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
So you're saying no playable Nintendoge?
Ridley hasn't been officially shown as a boss.
And there is no reason why Ridley being a boss means he's not suitable for being a playable character.
Arguments that Ridley should be in Smash are a bit different from arguments he will be in.
After all, it did take us three games to get Wario.
Bowser is suitable to be a Boss.
I'd be fine if Big Ridley is a boss like Gigabowser, and a scaled down Ridley (original version ish?) is playable.
Since Dark Samus is an assist, I need my second fav Metroid Homie.
But it does open up the possibility. Especially when he doesn'g say absolutely no, but in fact that Ridley would be slow because of his size, and then asked if fans would be ok with that.
We need a crow list of who is on Team Playable and Team Boss.
Beelzebufo
Banned
So we can agree that a form of Ridley is definitely a boss, right? That would mean that Sakurai thinks of Ridley as a boss character still. That's the same view he had of Ridley in Brawl. He apparently hasn't changed his mind.
So far Sakurai has given us every indication that his view of Ridley hasn't changed at all. You're reaching for clues that aren't there and ignoring the ones that are.
Apparently Sakurai thinks otherwise, he's been playable in three games.
PadWarrior
Member
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/928518-super-smash-bros-brawl/55775695
Here are some things that Sakurai has said that I think the rest of this board might find interesting. This comes from the Sakurai interview in the May 2008 issue of Nintendo Power:
Nintendo Power: How did you go about choosing which characters to include in the final roster? Were there any characters that you really wish you could have included, but weren't able to for whatever reason?[/I]
Sakurai:Of course there were some characters that we couldn't include, but we've decided that we're not going to talk about them. [Laughs]
As far as choosing which characters, we had to really look at the series that would be represented in the game and create a balance that would make fans of all the series happy. We didn't want to have all Mario characters, all Pokemon characters... We looked at each series and tried to pick the characters that would have the widest appeal to the largest fan base. And of course, we looked at games like Animal Crossing and Nintendogs, where there aren't really any characters that lend themselves to fighting, and we decided not to include characters from those series as fighting characters.
One thing that was kind of a challenge is that we haven't had a lot of new characters from Nintendo since Captain Olimar [that could work well in a fighting game]; a lot of games have been Mario titles or new iterations of existing series.
Nintendo Power: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?
Sakurai: I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]
Nintendo Power: We're just glad he made it into the Subspace Emissary. You've talked previously about how Solid Snake ended up in the game, but how about Sonic? How did his inclusion come about?
Sakurai: At the time we announced Snake, we actually put together a survey for our users, asking which characters they would like to see in the game. And a huge amount of people said Sonic, especially in the United States. So in order to satisfy our fans, I thought it was a good idea to try to include Sonic. But that was the thing that put the whole process in motion.
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Here are some things that Sakurai has said that I think the rest of this board might find interesting. This comes from the Sakurai interview in the May 2008 issue of Nintendo Power:
Nintendo Power: How did you go about choosing which characters to include in the final roster? Were there any characters that you really wish you could have included, but weren't able to for whatever reason?[/I]
Sakurai:Of course there were some characters that we couldn't include, but we've decided that we're not going to talk about them. [Laughs]
As far as choosing which characters, we had to really look at the series that would be represented in the game and create a balance that would make fans of all the series happy. We didn't want to have all Mario characters, all Pokemon characters... We looked at each series and tried to pick the characters that would have the widest appeal to the largest fan base. And of course, we looked at games like Animal Crossing and Nintendogs, where there aren't really any characters that lend themselves to fighting, and we decided not to include characters from those series as fighting characters.
One thing that was kind of a challenge is that we haven't had a lot of new characters from Nintendo since Captain Olimar [that could work well in a fighting game]; a lot of games have been Mario titles or new iterations of existing series.
Nintendo Power: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?
Sakurai: I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]
Nintendo Power: We're just glad he made it into the Subspace Emissary. You've talked previously about how Solid Snake ended up in the game, but how about Sonic? How did his inclusion come about?
Sakurai: At the time we announced Snake, we actually put together a survey for our users, asking which characters they would like to see in the game. And a huge amount of people said Sonic, especially in the United States. So in order to satisfy our fans, I thought it was a good idea to try to include Sonic. But that was the thing that put the whole process in motion.
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Ditto mid transformation into hitmonlee?
Green Mamba
Member
Holy Jesus it is really going to happen. We're going to get a picture of Ridley as a boss on Pyrosphere and we're still going to be having these arguments. Good gravy, I was right.
Oh my goodness, this is too much. I'm done.
I'd agree with you if Yellow Devil was a sought after character to play with.
*cough*actuallyIdo*cough*
I won't cry or have a meltdown if he's not in though.
Seriously, the earliest we know the full roster, the soonest we can stop the silly arguments. Having to keep up these debates till December or so, would have killed us.
I have a wall of shame ready, and a bet going on, so...
My brain farted, in my head I thought about a non-existant Toon Link-Spirit Tracks Link scenario, where they are different characters, so they create no continuity problem.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Even once the 3DS game releases, you'll be hearing stuff about how Ridley will be DLC for the WiiU version.
I wouldn't be surprised if more people wanted to play as Ridley than Rayquaza.
If Ridley doesn't get in, that's Sakurai's choice because he doesn't like the character or doesn't think Ridley adds anything to Smash. It's not, and never has been, because he's too creatively bankrupt to know how to make him playable.
This reminds me of people saying Little Mac isn't suitable for Smash because all he does is punch. Fucking anything can be a Smash character if you put some effort into it.
ArchedThunder
Banned
No he hasn't, he's teased Ridley, and that's it. I'm not ignoring anything, I'm saying it's foolish to say that he won't be in just as it is foolish to say that he will be in. You are just being difficult.
Stage hazard:
Playable:
Both can be in Pyrosphere at the same time. The playable Ridley could kill the abominable Other M Ridley. They were technically different entities, so why not.
Deary Deary me that Other M abomination is ugly.
LMAO. This is likely to be so true. :lol
And yet
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
I'm still calling that you'll have to link the 3DS and Wii U versions to unlock some of the characters, and, even if you don't, I bet some will believe that you do to justify why their fave isn't in the 3DS version, so I wouldn't be surprised if we do keep these arguments going until December (assuming the Wii U version isn't delayed).
He was shown during the Stage Bosses segment. Ridley was shown to be a boss. Whether he views the different versions of Ridley as different characters are unknown.
Thanks for the exaggeration. That is greatly needed in this thread with this tired argument.
The "too big" argument has been disproven in many ways: Olimar, character comparisons, original Ridley being basically as big as Samus, etc.
If there's a different way to unlock the characters, fine, but not everyone has both systems.
I highly doubt that'll be what links together.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Other M Ridley is a clone of the Ridley from the other games. That's pretty much all you need to know.
Shifting gears for a moment, and discussing how the Chorus Men could work:
I picture the three lil' guys scurrying around, one following the other... And then when you input their attacks, there's a timing element: ONE two ONE two ONE two. And if you time it correctly, a different Chorus Man will sing with each tap. This is a way to visually represent your sequential inputs, which result in increasingly stronger attacks.
I'm definitely eager to see them in action, if the rumor is in fact true.
I picture the three lil' guys scurrying around, one following the other... And then when you input their attacks, there's a timing element: ONE two ONE two ONE two. And if you time it correctly, a different Chorus Man will sing with each tap. This is a way to visually represent your sequential inputs, which result in increasingly stronger attacks.
I'm definitely eager to see them in action, if the rumor is in fact true.
theprodigy
Member
FTFY
It'll all go to his wings.
Stop hogging the cheeseburgers there, Ridley needs to put on some pounds
It doesn't necessarily mean he won't change it again though.
Someone actually wanted Rayquaza in?
Also something something Villager, as others have said.
Yes, let's ban what constitutes 90 percent of Smash discussion, lol
This thread would be dead.
If that happened... lol that sounds worse than on disc "DLC" to me.
