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[Revven]

Isn't tripping the only thing that made it terrible in Brawl?

The inputs were harder too and slowed down right ? NM

Dash dancing was ineffective even with tripping disabled. It had to be "fixed" in Project M, I think the window was ridiculously small and you couldn't turn as quickly or something like that.

Oh man! I hope so. I had no idea they did that with the PAL ver. of melee. Did they do it with Brawl or was the release not as staggered?

They didn't do it for Brawl because of online, they didn't want regions being unable to play with each other. If the PAL version of Brawl was different significantly (in terms of character changes) then there would be desyncs all over the place.

The release was pretty staggered though, it came out in like June for EU & co. All because of localization (all those damn languages lol).

 

[Berordn]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought besides his weak recovery, Little Mac's aerial attacks did significantly less damage with significantly less knockback than his ground attacks. So Rocket belt won't fix that

We don't know how the rocket belt works for sure, but it does seem like all his aerials are ass.

 

[DisconnectD]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought besides his weak recovery, Little Mac's aerial attacks did significantly less damage with significantly less knockback than his ground attacks. So Rocket belt won't fix that

It was a joke, though the main point of the rocket belt is recovery and that is most likely Little Mac's greatest weakness, hence if you can stay on the stage, he will dominate. (Presumably)

 

[Kriken]

Smash is gonna break so many circle pads... At least it won't be as destructive as Melee.

Melee on the 3DS would be the most expensive video game ever, because you have to keep buying new 3DSs.

But won't be nearly as bad as the transforming d-pad for non-fight stick users

 

[DigitalOp]

considering 3ds has a shitty circle pad and like 3 buttons they better play differently

Smash is gonna break so many circle pads... At least it won't be as destructive as Melee.

Melee on the 3DS would be the most expensive video game ever, because you have to keep buying new 3DSs.

Ice Climbers is literally unwinnable if the Ice Climbers player can chain-grab, since every approach Ganon has can be punished with a killing grab thanks to his shitty range and speed. Ganon also has to approach because he lacks a projectile and the Ice Climbers will be throwing ice blocks.

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

 

[Troubled Bat]

It was a joke, though the main point of the rocket belt is recovery and that is most likely Little Mac's greatest weakness, hence if you can stay on the stage, he will dominate. (Presumably)

But have we seen his side-b in the air yet?

 

[DigitalOp]

But have we seen his side-b in the air yet?

I feel like I will be doing a shit ton of recovery with Mac's side B

 

[Kriken]

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

Well for Melee/Brawl, the D-Pad was used for taunts, so I fully believe the circle pad will be used for 3DS

 

[emb]

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

Because analog control is well done in these games. It definitely feels wrong to try playing without it. Dpad might still be reserved for taunting on 3DS, we don't know.

Smash is a good example of why every analog stick should have octagonal gates though. GCN stick was perfection.

 

[DisconnectD]

Dash dancing was ineffective even with tripping disabled. It had to be "fixed" in Project M, I think the window was ridiculously small and you couldn't turn as quickly or something like that.

Nice. I sorta remember dash dancing being bad in Brawl but could never tell for sure since 9x out of 10 I'd just trip lol.

They didn't do it for Brawl because of online, they didn't want regions being unable to play with each other. If the PAL version of Brawl was different significantly (in terms of character changes) then there would be desyncs all over the place.

The release was pretty staggered though, it came out in like June for EU & co. All because of localization (all those damn languages lol).

Shouldn't be an issue with Smash 4 since they could just do an online patch on both platforms, right?

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Some new screenshots of ZSS were uploaded to the Official Facebook page 5 hours ago, including this gem:

 

[Toxi]

Some new screenshots of ZSS were uploaded to the Official Facebook page 5 hours ago, including this gem:

I've seen more characters lying down in Smash 4 pics than in actual games of Smash.

 

[Kyzon]

But have we seen his side-b in the air yet?

Yes. It's a beast ass superman punch.

I'd be willing to bet that it's a killing move.

 

[DisconnectD]

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

taunts are reserved for the d pad in all iterations of Smash bros. though. Did you forget?

 

[ffdgh]

Those pics are around 2 weeks old btw

 

[DisconnectD]

I feel like I will be doing a shit ton of recovery with Mac's side B

If his neutral B works the same in the air as it does on the ground, it will be superior to side b since it has more range than even QuickDraw

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

Because Smash is designed around analog control.

 

[theprodigy]

Why does everyone think people will use the Circle Pad? Smash uses a directional combat system, DPad is a superior advantage. Don't know why you won't use it.

There's no way DPad will be superior....

 

[SuperSah]

People seem to forget Smash games have customisable controls.

Circle Pad will only break if you jolt it around like some idiot.

I've said this countless times, I have played hundred's of hours of SSFIV and MonHun and this thing is perfectly fine.

 

[Speedwagon]

Some new screenshots of ZSS were uploaded to the Official Facebook page 5 hours ago, including this gem:

ZSS brawl d-smash confirmed?

 

[GamerSoul]

considering 3ds has a shitty circle pad and like 3 buttons they better play differently

True. I know my circle pad will not last too long :/ they will definitely sell more 3ds

 

[DisconnectD]

Man, I really gotta get a CPP before Smash hits. I can't stand to go back to regular analog+A smash attacks. Especially with that circle pad being as "non-grippy" as it is.

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

Because analog control is well done in these games. It definitely feels wrong to try playing without it. Dpad might still be reserved for taunting on 3DS, we don't know.

Smash is a good example of why every analog stick should have octagonal gates though. GCN stick was perfection.

Ninty should commission madcatz to make a dock/arcade stick peripheral for the 3dsXL.

like a TE fightstick that you stick you 3ds on.

 

[DisconnectD]

Ninty should commission madcatz to make a dock/arcade stick peripheral for the 3dsXL.

like a TE fightstick that you stick you 3ds on.

Not a fan of fight sticks and also don't think Smash Bros. style is a good fit for that control format but more power to those who do and I hope they get something like that.

 

[DigitalOp]

taunts are reserved for the d pad in all iterations of Smash bros. though. Did you forget?

I could be wrong but I think I used D-Pad in custom brawl controls

If his neutral B works the same in the air as it does on the ground, it will be superior to side b since it has more range than even QuickDraw

We can only hope.... Neutral B could be completely nerfed in air. I really think Mac is completely nerfed in air. Only way to balance him in game because he really is pretty much broken on land.

 

[emb]

Ninty should commission madcatz to make a dock/arcade stick peripheral for the 3dsXL.

like a TE fightstick that you stick you 3ds on.

That would be pretty cool. Can't imagine something like that ever getting much support, but I'd definitely be interested in trying it out. Edit: But yeah, I don't think an arcade stick would be good for Smash. I tried it a little with PSASBR, and even though movement inputs are digital, it still didn't feel right for this type of game.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Ninty should commission madcatz to make a dock/arcade stick peripheral for the 3dsXL.

like a TE fightstick that you stick you 3ds on.

Fightstick=digital controls=

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

Not a fan of fight sticks and also don't think Smash Bros. style is a good fit for that control format but more power to those who do and I hope they get something like that.

i can respect that.

 

[DisconnectD]

I could be wrong but I think I used D-Pad in custom brawl controls



We can only hope.... Neutral B could be completely nerfed in air. I really think Mac is completely nerfed in air. Only way to balance him in game because he really is pretty much broken on land.

Good point. It may not even charge or if it does, he just whiffs the move and flails awkwardly instead. Would be hilarious seeing it charge up in the air the first time, expecting a powerful attack/recovery attempt and then nothing

 

[Revven]

I could be wrong but I think I used D-Pad in custom brawl controls

You are wrong lol. The D-pad could only be switched with other taunts in vanilla Brawl iirc. The only control scheme that allowed D-pad control was the lone Wii Remote.

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

well then

 

[DigitalOp]

You are wrong lol. The D-pad could only be switched with other taunts in vanilla Brawl iirc. The only control scheme that allowed D-pad control was the lone Wii Remote.

Interesting. I played Classic Controller when my GC controller broke. I swore I was using the DPad to move... I guess it was an analog then. Interesting.... Nobody finds it weird you can't play with the DPad and move lists consist of :

→ A
↓ A
← / → + B

etc. etc.

 

[Noirulus]

Isn't tripping the only thing that made it terrible in Brawl?

The inputs were harder too and slowed down right ? NM

Tripping and the fact that the dash animation was too slow. Inputs are harder too, I think. (Haven't touched Brawl in a while so I'm not too sure)

 

[Kjellson]

Ice Climber is being released on Wii U Virtual Console the 27th in Japan. The dream is not dead quite yet.

 

[DigitalOp]

Tripping and the fact that the dash animation was too slow. Inputs are harder too, I think. (Haven't touched Brawl in a while so I'm not too sure)

The game also felt very floaty due to engine tweaks (maybe for gliding to work..). It really changed the speed of gameplay for me. I noticed "heavy" characters like DK and Bowser were faster. Still to this day I don't know if Ike was suppose to be a full heavyweight or a "light heavyweight". I use to dominate with him since his power was crazy and I still wasn't all that slow as I should have been (or may have been intended to be)

 

[SuperAngelo64]

Those pics are around 2 weeks old btw

The page said 'brand new' screenshots!

People lie on Facebook? I have to rethink my life...

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Some new screenshots of ZSS were uploaded to the Official Facebook page 5 hours ago, including this gem:

Damn, Samus is cold hearted. Bout to put down Luigi like he's Old Yeller.

 

[emb]

Tripping and the fact that the dash animation was too slow. Inputs are harder too, I think. (Haven't touched Brawl in a while so I'm not too sure)

You can dash dance in the sense that you can move back and forth. Not in the sense that it's good or offers quick versatility or high mobility like it does in Melee.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Ice Climber is being released on Wii U Virtual Console the 27th in Japan. The dream is not dead quite yet.

When did they announced Ice Climbers? I don't even remember any information about Ice Climbers VC.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Smash is a good example of why every analog stick should have octagonal gates though. GCN stick was perfection.

NiGHTS is a good example of why every analog stick shouldn't have an analog gate. I've heard doing a smooth circle in Journey of Dreams was more difficult than it needed to be, thanks to that thing.

 

[DisconnectD]

You are wrong lol. The D-pad could only be switched with other taunts in vanilla Brawl iirc. The only control scheme that allowed D-pad control was the lone Wii Remote.

I find it to be A: a little unnecessarily condescending and B: just plain uninformed when people refer to Brawl as "vanilla brawl". For the former, you have actually go out of your way to add an extra adjective when brawl suffices since there is a distinction between brawl and project m. The latter because the adjective is inappropriate since vanilla is one of the most addictive stimulants in the natural world lol, look it up.

/rant

*DISCLAIMER: Revven, I am not specifically targeting you, you are just the last person to use the term*

 

[KHlover]

True. I know my circle pad will not last too long :/ they will definitely sell more 3ds

I've played over 100 hours of Kid Icarus Uprising (which relies a lot on smashing the analog slider) and another ~80 hours of Dead or Alive (that's when I noticed you could just use the Dpad lol) and the slider is still perfectly fine. Calm down, everyone.

 

[Kjellson]

When did they announced Ice Climbers? I don't even remember any information about Ice Climbers VC.

Oooooops.

It was in 2013. Read on Wikipedia. Lol.

 

[theprodigy]

I find it to be A: a little unnecessarily condescending and B: just plain uninformed when people refer to Brawl as "vanilla brawl". For the former, you have actually go out of your way to add an extra adjective when brawl suffices since there is a distinction between brawl and project m. The latter because the adjective is inappropriate since vanilla is one of the most addictive stimulants in the natural world lol, look it up.

/rant

*DISCLAIMER: Revven, I am not specifically targeting you, you are just the last person to use the term*

Brawl+/Brawl-/Balanced Brawl/etc. exists too, you know

 

[Beelzebufo]

I find it to be A: a little unnecessarily condescending and B: just plain uninformed when people refer to Brawl as "vanilla brawl". For the former, you have actually go out of your way to add an extra adjective when brawl suffices since there is a distinction between brawl and project m. The latter because the adjective is inappropriate since vanilla is one of the most addictive stimulants in the natural world lol, look it up.

/rant

*DISCLAIMER: Revven, I am not specifically targeting you, you are just the last person to use the term*

But vanilla is a boring flavor, so it's appropriate.

 

[Axass]

Since we're talking controls... am I the only one using the jump button in Brawl? Do you just jump with "up"?

What about the competitive scene? Is there some kind of consensus on that?

 

[DisconnectD]

Brawl+/Brawl-/Balanced Brawl/etc. exists too, you know

Which is denoted w/ a + or - or whatever. When someone says Brawl, chances are very high that they are talking about Smash Bros. Brawl

 

[Beelzebufo]

Since we're talking controls... am I the only one using the jump button in Brawl? Do you just jump with "up"?

What about the competitive scene? Is there some kind of consensus on that?

I always found buttons were better, if only to make up smashes and tilts easier.

 

[DisconnectD]

But vanilla is a boring flavor, so it's appropriate.

Pure vanilla or pure vannilin is anything but boring.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Pure vanilla or pure vannilin is anything but boring.

Vanilla ice cream is generally considered to be the standard, and therefore a boring, ice cream flavor. Nobody cares enough to look up what vanillin is.