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mattiewheels said:
I always thought it was weird that the first movie in a superhero series can get away with a very simple, one-villain cast (or in this case, one hero). Then the sequels have to escalate that, can't just have one villain! Name a superhero sequel that kept it super simple, I know there's got to be one.
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Thor: The Dark World?
 
KalBalboa said:
I think people claiming that this sequel needs 5 setup films are forgetting that two of Avengers' set-up movies were just Iron Man's alone. Batman doesn't exactly need an origin story again and Superman's movie directly preceded this.

Hawkeye didn't exactly need 100 minutes of explaining, and Black Widow's fascinating yarn didn't really require her own feature either.

I'm not saying this film is going to be aces around, but keep in mind that we don't really need origin films every other summer either.
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That's glossing over quite a bit. Hawkeye and Black Widow might be B-tier, but S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't, and a lot of the buildup over the first few movies is establishing SHIELD as an entity, what it does, what pies it has it's fingers into before bringing everyone together for Avengers.

Remove all the SHIELD build up, nick fury, coulson appearances, etc and Avengers becomes borderline nonsensical, and Coulson's death has no impact. On the villain end, Loki's motivations get explained in Thor, not Avengers. Remove that movie and one brother trying to kill the other, let alone devastate a planet is confusing. And that's not even getting into the tesseract.

Removing all that and trying to make Avengers in a single film would be a mess, full stop. Justice league doesn't need 5 movies for buildup (Avengers arguably didn't either- Hulk and Cap weren't that essential) but a single film for what they're trying to do is going to be a disaster. No way this doesn't get broken up into 2 or 3 films, like LOTR.
 
Why didn't they try to make a teen titans movie or plan it? that seems like the perfect and easier one to do



Namikaze1 said:
Just call it Justice League Origins or something related to JL already cause damn. At this point, I'm expecting Aquaman casting news at SDCC.
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yea but....


Nobody likes Aquaman
 
SalsaShark said:
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????

Cartoon Network just don't give a fuck anymore do they? LOL
 
BobbyRoberts said:
It's entirely possible Snyder's doing it on his own. I mean, he's got the keys.

Both Marvel and WB fans seem to envision all the creative decisions coming solely from the brain trusts in the boardroom, and completely discount whatever creative decisions could be coming from the writer/director/producers.

What's even more interesting is that as the Marvel successes have gone on, the credit seems to go like this.

An idea works: It's the executives
An idea stumbles: It's the creatives.

It's a complete inversion of the typical perception with regards to almost any other creative endeavor.
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Oh, I know Snyder's doing this of his own volition.

He has full access to the toybox, and by gum he's going to play with everything before he's asked to leave.

It doesn't matter if it belittles the work of the DC Cinematic Universe in the past few years. "I want Batman punch Superman, and I want Superman Wonder Woman kiss". "Zack, it's time to put those away". "No, me want old Green Arrow shoot greenest arrow at Superman's heart".

It'll all end in tears. Bad ones.
 
MattKeil said:
This isn't all that true. Joss Whedon, Shane Black and the Russos have been given a lot of credit for Avengers, Iron Man 3 and Cap 2, respectively, even by Marvel themselves. Feige didn't rush to secure the Russos to do Cap 3 because he thought Cap 2's success was all the execs' doing.
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Nah, it's pretty true. Whedon wasn't given any credit before the movie came out (and was considered to be a big risk by most fans) After the movie came out, there was retroactive credit given to him for being "the right choice" and people suddenly thought his experience on Buffy "really prepared" him for it. But most of the applause came down to how shrewd Kevin Feige was for picking Whedon.

The creatives get to share success, at best, with the executives. In a lot of cases, people don't even know who wrote these movies outside of Shane Black and Joss Whedon. So the credit just goes to "Marvel" as a generic company.

Superhero fans have been trained not to applaud individual writers and directors, just like superhero readers are trained not to really applaud writers and artists. They're trained to give thanks and praise to editorial/executives for getting writers & artists to fall in line with their editorial mandate.

That's what's happening here on the film side, I feel. It looks like it's happening quite a bit. When Iron Man 3 didn't "go right," it wasn't because Feige hired Black. It's because Black made a creative decision "nobody" liked. (I really liked Iron Man 3, personally) But when Avengers took off, it was because Feige was smart enough to know Joss Whedon was good with ensembles.

The credit is given to executives over the creatives actually making the movie more often than not.
 
comedy bomb said:
Marvel at least built the characters up over multiple movies.
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DC is doing the reverse. Movie and then character intro movies except batman and superman. Most people know of dc characters than marvel characters. It was only after marvel movies that people found out about Thor in the general public
 
ok can we all just stop pretending this isn't the justice league movie?......

Like DC not calling it that at this point is insulting the intelligence of fans.
 
I'm not gonna live forever. I don't care to analyze how WB should strategize to get that Avenger's money, just make the damn Justice League movie now and do the solos later!
 
Maninthemirror said:
DC is doing the reverse. Movie and then character intro movies except batman and superman. Most people know of dc characters than marvel characters. It was only after marvel movies that people found out about Thor in the general public
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Lets be real, once you get past Aquaman, Superman, Flash, Batman, and Wonder Woman. The general public doesn't know jack. Hell the majority of people still think Wonder Woman has a invisible jet.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Nah, it's pretty true. Whedon wasn't given any credit before the movie came out (and was considered to be a big risk by most fans) After the movie came out, there was retroactive credit given to him for being "the right choice" and people suddenly thought his experience on Buffy "really prepared" him for it. But most of the applause came down to how shrewd Kevin Feige was for picking Whedon.

The creatives get to share success, at best, with the executives. In a lot of cases, people don't even know who wrote these movies outside of Shane Black and Joss Whedon. So the credit just goes to "Marvel" as a generic company.

Superhero fans have been trained not to applaud individual writers and directors, just like superhero readers are trained not to really applaud writers and artists. They're trained to give thanks and praise to editorial/executives for getting writers & artists to fall in line with their editorial mandate.

That's what's happening here on the film side, I feel. It looks like it's happening quite a bit. When Iron Man 3 didn't go right, it wasn't because Feige hired Black. It's because Black made a creative decision nobody liked. But when Avengers took off, it was because Feige was smart enough to know Joss Whedon was good with ensembles.

The credit is given to executives over the creatives actually making the movie more often than not.
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That part is WAY off base. "Superhero fans" (or at least the ones who read comics) pay VERY close attention to who writes what book. Claremont? Morrison? Gaiman? Moore? Miller? Remender? Lee and Kirby? Wade? Hickman?

These are household names among "superhero fans", and these are the people who are taking to message boards to praise these films, heading to cons, and hyping the hell out of the movies. And as for "falling in line with editorial mandate", that line smacks of someone who wasn't paying attention during the early 90s. The biggest names in comics- writers and artists alike flat out UP AND LEFT the biggest comic company on the planet to make their own comic company, and fanboys followed them in droves. Do names like Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee, Whilce Portacio, Sam Keith, Rob Liefeld, Chris Claremont (again), Erik Larsen, and Marc Silvestri ring any bells? perhaps the name of the company they founded, Image Comics? Which was built on the premise of "there are no editorial mandates, and all titles are creator owned?"

if you're talking the casual audience that just likes to see shit explode on screen, well- no shit. Joe sixpack couldn't tell you who wrote Bad Boys, Fast and Furious, or Transformers either. That's not exclusive to casual fans of "comic movies."
 
Namikaze1 said:
Don't you dare disrespect the King of Atlantis!
I wish he was in Justice League War instead of Shazam.
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71% of the Earth's surface is covered by water.

Those ocean's are all the domain of one guy. And guess what, global Warming's coming bitch.

The age of Aquaman hasn't even begun yet.
 
Manmademan said:
That part is WAY off base. "Superhero fans" (or at least the ones who read comics) pay VERY close attention to who writes what book. Claremont? Morrison? Gaiman? Moore? Miller? Remender? Lee and Kirby? Wade? Hickman?

These are household names among "superhero fans", and these are the people who are taking to message boards to praise these films, heading to cons, and hyping the hell out of the movies.

if you're talking the casual audience that just likes to see shit explode on screen, well- no shit. Joe sixpack couldn't tell you who wrote Bad Boys, Fast and Furious, or Transformers either. That's not exclusive to casual fans of "comic movies."
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Boo you for no Nicenza love. Shame
 
I imagine the principal characters for this film are Superman/Batman/Luthor

Cyborg is easy enough to fit in. They already established STAR Lab in Man of Steel as existing, and we know they filmed a football scene for this film. It's not that hard to get him in a few scenes.

Wonder Woman is the big X-factor for me here.
 
Manmademan said:
That part is WAY off base. "Superhero fans" (or at least the ones who read comics) pay VERY close attention to who writes what book. Claremont? Morrison? Gaiman? Moore? Miller? Remender? Lee and Kirby? Wade? Hickman?
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He might cameo in Days of Future Past!

Kinyou said:
Perhaps the movie is setting it up and they all have just some minor cameos
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I heard they might actually be filming MoS2 and Justice League back-to-back. Dunno if it's real though

Alienous said:
Hawkman.

Shit, I intended that as a joke.
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whooooa
 
Manmademan said:
That part is WAY off base. "Superhero fans" (or at least the ones who read comics) pay VERY close attention to who writes what book. Claremont? Morrison? Gaiman? Moore? Miller? Remender? Lee and Kirby? Wade? Hickman?
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And those writers are often hired to write giant, editorially mandated super-events. People pay attention because they know they CAN do good work on their own, (or they've HEARD that) and they have faith that they can tell a story.

And when the story works, it's less about the fact Morrison pulled it off, that Miller nailed it, it's more about the fact Editorial came up with a cool crossover idea with shocking deaths and earth-shaking changes to the status-quo.

Again - people don't worry so much about those big names until the executives put them on a title they're already reading. If they cared more about creative's effect on a title, they'd follow those creatives to their own projects when they take them on. That doesn't seem to happen all that often.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
And those writers are often hired to write giant, editorially mandated super-events. People pay attention because they know they CAN do good work on their own, (or they've HEARD that) and they have faith that they can tell a story.

And when the story works, it's less about the fact Morrison pulled it off, that Miller nailed it, it's more about the fact Editorial came up with a cool crossover idea with shocking deaths and earth-shaking changes to the status-quo.
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This completely ignores the founding and subsequent success of image comics, which blows apart your argument completely.

No giant, editorially mandated events. No giant, editorially mandated anything. Just writers and artists taking original properties and running with them in the direction they chose to go. Fans ate it up, and Image titles sold as well or better than the titles from the big two for years.

Obviously, that model isn't sustainable for the long term (creators get bored and want to do other things, and image titles were notorious for missing deadlines due to creator issues) but the success of image and it's properties were ENTIRELY about "MacFarlane pulling it off", "Lee Pulling it off", "Keith pulling it off", etc.

Edit: it's important to emphasize that image still exists, though the players involved are different- and I'm unsure if the business model is still the same as it was in 1992.
 
Manmademan said:
This completely ignores the founding and subsequent success of image comics, which blows apart your argument completely.
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I'm not ignoring image. But Image isn't exactly a superhero behemoth on the level of the big 2. They're also a studio founded on the idea (among others) that crediting editorial with creative's successes is bullshit. Obviously Image isn't going to get brought up when talking about these movies, these heroes, and the way readers respond to their successes both in publishing and in film, because they're a studio who recognized that tendency and specifically struck out to counteract it and get some credit/recognition/respect of their own :)
 
Could be really hard to have this many heroes in the movie without leadup films like The Avengers had. But maybe if they work it in as an origin story for some of them, or only put in cameos, it would work.
 
By shoving everyone into the Superman vs Batman film, WB gives themselves an out to reboot with a Justice League movie two years later.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
I'm not ignoring image. But Image isn't exactly a superhero behemoth on the level of the big 2. They're also a studio founded on (among others) the idea that crediting editorial with all the creatives successes is bullshit. Obviously that example isn't going to get brought up when talking about these movies, these heroes, and the way readers respond to their successes both in publishing and in film, because they're a studio who recognized that tendency and specifically struck out to counteract it and get some credit/recognition/respect of their own :)
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Image absolutely was. Were you buying comics when it was founded? Spawn, WILDC.A.T.S., Youngblood, The Maxx, Cyberforce, Witchblade etc sold or OUTSOLD everything from the big two except MAYBE X-men. And this was not niche success.

Spawn got a major film and an HBO TV series, in an era when no one was making theatrical superhero films. The Maxx got an MTV Series. WildCATS got syndicated. Todd Toys was massive and figures went for a ton of money. Unfortunately, the business model isn't sustainable over the long run, and certain creators found it easier or preferable to go back to the big two. I'm mostly thinking of jim lee, but when Rob Liefeld went back to work for marvel it was huge news as well.
 
ericexpo said:
is everyone in this movie going to a DC character? can't wait to see those credits, like a wikipedia of DC characters.
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Its a dc movie so yeah....
Also from all hints the majority of screen time will be batman superman and lex luthor. The other characters would play very minor role that might be even be for a second
 
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