I really want to play through Secret of Mana again without going into Wii Mode.
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I really want to play through Secret of Mana again without going into Wii Mode.
terrisus
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Frankly I'm not as big of an Action RPG fan, so that's not really that big a deal for me. Never even got around to playing through it on SNES (although I did play through Final Fantasy Adventure/Seiken Densetsu 1 for GB). Honestly probably spent more time on Secret of Evermore, not that that was great either.
I just want more turn-based JRPGs available to store in my systems.
This is excellent news, though I still need to play through the second one.
These games can be either extremely innovative and unique, if you carry your 3DS around and hunt for various wifi signals around your town, or a challenging well-made parody of jrpgs from 30 years ago. Either way, great series.
I ended up biking around town every few days stopping at various places to hunt for Denpa Men. It was a great gaming experience. And because the Denpa Men are generated somehow from the wifi signals, you can really end up with some pretty unique dudes in your party. It's probably a very different experience if you mostly rely on QR codes to get an optimized team without hunting for them.
This I can agree with.
Perhaps they could release it as dsi ware or something. Not that that makes sense. But I think it's unfair to just say they're doing it for no reason. They just have expectations that they aren't meeting for them.
Having said all of that, they look glorious on the big screen and the Pro controller/Gamrpad are wildly more comfy than any iteration of the 3DS.
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Yup, but I'm hoping for the advance version of V and VI despite the music.
They're not even remotely blurry when played in native resolution. I know you like to defend every stupid decision that Nintendo makes, but when you have to start making shit up to justify their decisions, you might have a problem.
The games run natively on the 3DS hardware. The 3DS processor understands every single instruction that the games send it, because the 3DS hardware is a superset of the GBA hardware. With emulation, the GBA's instruction set needs to be translated into a language that the Wii U can understand, and doing this can lead to small differences in how the games run. But on the 3DS there is no translation necessary, so the games run 100% exactly the same as how they run on a real GBA.
Robin64
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The community is shared between NES Remix and NES Remix 2.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073099487163/14866558073099487182
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073099487163/14866558073099487182
They look absolutely hideous on the 3DS screen, incredibly dim with horrendous motion blur. It might be 'accurate' but the games were not designed for the 3DS screen and it shows, to me they are unplayable.
I totally understand why Nintendo are uncomfortable selling them in that form.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Yes.
But you can make it display in full by pressing A when starting the game and it'll be the correct aspect ratio (so it'll be quite small with empty spaces on the sides of the screen). So you have two ways of displaying the games.
While in NM50th Anniversary you have three methods of display:
full screen but *squashed* in 3:2 aspect ratio (so it fills the entire GBA's screen), and unless GBA games on WiiU default to the GBA's 3:2 aspect ratio *within* a 16:9 frame setting there's nothing you could do to fix it; on the other hand if the latter is true (16:9 frame) then you'd have to manually put the tv in 4:3 display mode to fix the squashiness of the gfx and indeed have the correct aspect ratio (i.e. not awfully squashed fatso graphics!).
scrolling screen in correct aspect ratio
in TATE mode (vertical), correct aspect ratio and fills the whole screen but of course you wouldn't be able to quite play it on a non-tate'd TV but it'd be perfect on the gamepad in portrait mode
Basically, if you're gonna play it mainly in offtv mode maybe wait for NM50thA (if it's coming).
While if you're going to play it mostly on TV go with this version of NM instead.
Of course, NM50 becomes the de facto best version *IF* the GBA games on WiiU are in fact rendered in 3:2 ar within a 16:9 framebuffer (?) but I'm not aware of that since I don't have a single GBA VC game.
blackgandorf
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I'm still waiting Zelda The Minish Cap and Four Swords on GBA Virtual Console. I hope one of these come on may.
I would love for them to add online play to Four Swords, and a two gamepad option, since they have been updating GBA WiiU games unlike most other VC games
Someone needs to teach BuffaloDyl the wonders of 2D.
blackgandorf
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That would be neat!
For $5, I'd get it, too.
Damn for a second there I was like "WOW ! a WiiU giveaway on gaf and I missed !" xD
WiiRevolution1
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Man, yall made me think NES Remix 2 was up in NA. 
But come to think of it, it might be up at 12 AM EST right? Considering its on a Friday for some really weird reason. Hopefully this means I can play it tonight!
But come to think of it, it might be up at 12 AM EST right? Considering its on a Friday for some really weird reason. Hopefully this means I can play it tonight!
But come to think of it, it might be up at 12 AM EST right? Considering its on a Friday for some really weird reason. Hopefully this means I can play it tonight!
nope, on the eShop banner it says 9am PT ;\
WiiRevolution1
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I didn't make anything up.
Yes, native resolution lacks much of the blur, but how many people actually play in native resolution? The fact the blur exists when not in native resolution is a massive issue, especially as it's the default option. Also, they don't run exactly the same as they did on the GBA. Look at old threads and you'll see the complaints.
And, like I said, the games run without any 3DS features being able to be active meaning it's an imperfect product which is against what Nintendo wants. Plus, people would trash Nintendo like crazy for doing that.
It's all moot anyway. Wii U is getting GBA Virtual Console games. 3DS is not. If Nintendo felt that they could release GBA games on the 3DS in a way that is satisfactory then they would have, but they can't so they didn't. This is a fact and it needs to be accepted.
Any claims that GBA games perform worse/differently on the 3DS than on a GBA or DS are, quite simply, incorrect. The 3DS literally becomes a GBA when it's running the ambassador games. Every single instruction that the GBA carries out is carried out by the 3DS in the exact same way, with no possibility for error. The blurriness issue can be avoided entirely if Nintendo forced the games to run in their native resolution, like they did with GBA games on the DS.
Again, you keep claiming that Nintendo doesn't want to sell games that can't use the 3DS's features while ignoring the fact that this is exactly what they're doing with DSiware games on the eShop. In fact, GBA games on the 3DS are less flawed than DSiware games, because they can be launched from the SD card, while DSiware games can only run from a small pool of system memory. Nintendo continues to sell DSiware on the eShop even though they have been criticized over the storage issue in the past, which throws your theory that they want to avoid bad press out the window, as well.
Again, you keep claiming that Nintendo doesn't want to sell games that can't use the 3DS's features while ignoring the fact that this is exactly what they're doing with DSiware games on the eShop. In fact, GBA games on the 3DS are less flawed than DSiware games, because they can be launched from the SD card, while DSiware games can only run from a small pool of system memory. Nintendo continues to sell DSiware on the eShop even though they have been criticized over the storage issue in the past, which throws your theory that they want to avoid bad press out the window, as well.
They won't even put out Taito's stuff. Just give me Bubble Bobble.
So much this. I don't know or care about the specs behind it all, the simply fact is they chose to go the Wii U route and not the 3DS one, and it's so dumb that months later people still have to bitch about it.
Jaded Alyx
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Nintendo could just as easily have put NES Remix 1 and 2, Dr. Luigi, etc. on 3DS.
But they didn't, and nobody cares.
But they didn't, and nobody cares.
Davey Cakes
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Hmm. I'd be down for Minish Cap at some point.
I'm a big Zelda fan. Interestingly enough I have ALBW untouched and Oracle of Seasons only a couple of hours played. I also have access to Oracle of Ages if I borrow my brother's 3DS XL. In fact I own the original OoA cart but the only way I could play it is on a horrible original GBA.
If Minish Cap came out on VC, that'd just be another option. And it'd be playable on the big screen...
Man, I'm in a pretty good position for Zelda games, eh?
To be honest until Nintendo institutes some sort of crossbuy/discount program across platforms for Virtual Console I'm not all that bothered by SNES & GBA skipping 3DS for now.
I'm more bothered that TG16 seems to be a complete no show on either platform so far in the west. Ditto for no sign of N64, Genesis and Neo Geo on Wii U everywhere. And even more bothered about all the 3rd party NES/SNES stuff that the west is still lagging behind Japan on (Gargoyle's Quest II, Mighty Final Fight, Final Fantasy I-III, Secret of Mana, Bubble Bobble, Ogre Battle, Ufouria, Double Dragon II, Adventures of Lolo, Dracula X, etc).
terrisus
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I don't know why (especially considering I bought the first one as well), but for some reason I was thinking that NES Remix 2 was $40.
I added $50 to my eShop account in anticipation of paying that (I know I can just do pay remainder, but I figured I'd just do that to have some left over)...
So, hey, now I have $35 left over instead of $10. That's a nice little surprise.
I added $50 to my eShop account in anticipation of paying that (I know I can just do pay remainder, but I figured I'd just do that to have some left over)...
So, hey, now I have $35 left over instead of $10. That's a nice little surprise.
Yes, this post implies that I would have been fine paying $40 for NES Remix 2
So why should anyone care what you think of the situation, then?
I don't know, why would anyone care about any of this? I just piqued in my opinion about it, like everyone else here. I don't particularly care that you care or don't care or understand why you would want to try and devalue my opinion instead of any other poster.
terrisus
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This is a forum devoted to knowledgeable and informed discussion of video games and the video game industry, not just off-the-cuff hit-and-run posts.
This particular issue has been discussed in-depth within this and various other numerous threads. Unless you have something to bring to the discussion, saying "Gee, I think it's stupid that Nintendo brought GBA games to the WiiU instead of the 3DS, they really should be on the 3DS" when the conversation has been gone over numerous times - especially when you openly admit you "don't know or care about the specs behind it all" - isn't very conducive to a meaningful thread discussion.
Starwolf_UK
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New BGM in EU Wii U eShop
Yet another thing I did not know about that eShop is the BGM changing...so if it has changed a lot is there an archive or even a setting in the shop
Yet another thing I did not know about that eShop is the BGM changing...so if it has changed a lot is there an archive or even a setting in the shop
sucks that Nintendo don't care about releasing this muzak anytime soon
Spare me. The essence of what he was saying was that it didn't matter, because in the end, the decision was that Nintendo decided to put these games on the Wii U instead of the 3DS. All this discussion, which has been going on and on ever since the announcement, just doesn't matter. I was agreeing with that point. Sorry that it apparently to low brow for some, I guess?
BRocknRolla
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So, what's the timeline on getting some Pokemon as a Gameboy Advanced release? I would LOVE to see that released.
Have they release any of the mainline Pokemon games on VC?
BRocknRolla
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No, not to my knowledge. However, it looks to me like there have only ever been gameboy and gameboy color games on the eShop for 3DS, which, if past Pokemon games were released in handheld form, you could imagine that Nintendo might worry it would eat into the pokemon games that are newer for the handheld. The Wii U on the other hand only just now got the Gameboy Advance option, and as it isn't mobile, there's no other Pokemon competition for Wii U owners.
So I could imagine it being a possibility now, even from a business standpoint.
There's a very decent chance that GBA era remakes are next in line for the 3DS so you'd be foolish to release R/S/E on the GBA VC unless you went the extra mile and somehow made those pokémon transferable to this gen/gave these games online trade/link ability, which is far too much effort.
The biggest problem I see with Pokemon is how important the connection factor is (plus it would leave Pokemon stranded in a game for the first time in forever). I'd be surprised if they did it.
Pokemon Pinball, though, I really want to see. Heck, now that I think of it... have we even gotten anything Pokemon-wise, even spin-offs, on VC outside of Snap?
BRocknRolla
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Why do you think this?
Why would Nintendo feel some sort of cross-save functionality was in any way essential to having a release? Sure, that sounds pretty cool, but I'm not seeing where you're thinking this imperative would come from.
That's a fair suggestion about the trading/multiplayer mechanics. (Man God too) Those would be moot. I would still be surprised if Nintendo felt that was a full bar to releasing the game.
The total lack of any Pokemon IP though has surprised me, which is why I brought it up in the first place. Is Nintendo against any sort of VC rerelease? The name recognition alone seems like it assures profit (regardless of the game style).
terrisus
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The point that both I and Roto were making is that when you say:
It's going to make people here rather dubious as to anything else. And, when someone points that out, responding by saying:
Basically comes off as you being defensive of someone pointing out an issue with your post, and that you should be able to say anything that you want because "it's your opinion" without people commenting on it or addressing issues about it.
There's also Pokémon Puzzle League, and I think that and Snap are it as far as Pokémon's presence in the VC.
Because you explicitly stated that you don't care about how GBA games on 3DS do or don't work. You're basically just going "I want what I want and it's stupid that I don't have what I want" and that is a completely worthless thing to post. Not to mention a childish attitude to have anyway.