Syphon Filter
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You realize that is a different department right? It doesn't take away from the game devs...
Listening to gamers and offering exclusive games is the future of XONE - Phil Spencer
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You realize that is a different department right? It doesn't take away from the game devs...
I've never understood this mentality. Exclusive games are the major draw for consoles and will always be there for consoles. If they don't buy the exclusives then they will buy a studio or talent for in house development. The former lets you play other games from the studio or talented person, the latter does not. Can you imagine if you could play NaughtyDog titles on your platform of choice, or what might have come out of Rare if they were never bought? I would much rather have missed out on one game or have to play it on a different platform rather than never have that dev develop for other platforms.
EmptySpace
Banned
because one guy isn't responsible for the brand?
oh, i dunno. always-on, no used games policy+infrastructure were decided on by dozens of heads, not a single one. you're putting so much blame on one guy when in fact decisions+recommendations are made and supported by a lot of people within a business organisation. we don't live in a month archy in 1700 where the leader's word is the law. even obama has political and economic advisors, plus military advisors, etc. there are people who help shape the path their organisation will go. it is a collective effort. it wasn't mattrick alone who did all of those to the xbox brand, in the same way yoshida or cerny did it for playstation. that alone shows that xbox was okay with the path that they were on. of course, now their mission statement has changed but not because the evil don mattrick is now gone.
Clarkus Darkus
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I switched too the ps4 after being xbox last 10 years, Sounds to me they have told him to mention games as much as poss to pander to us, Im all for new IP but they'll need something major to happen at E3 as they dont have alot of games coming out thats making me miss being an xbox guy.
Doesnt help it's the weaker platform for the multi-plat games which are the big sellers too the casuals.
Doesnt help it's the weaker platform for the multi-plat games which are the big sellers too the casuals.
BigSpleenRupture
Banned
Not sure why these threads keep being made what do you expect them to say? The fact MS is just saying this now is lol worthy as it is.
In other news the sky is blue.
Also hilarious now that they have no CHOICE to say the right things all of a sudden it means spencer is the man and Xbox is going to be great..it may very well be, but not from anything they are saying, talk is cheap.
They are saying this now because they got their ass handed to them,
In other news the sky is blue.
Also hilarious now that they have no CHOICE to say the right things all of a sudden it means spencer is the man and Xbox is going to be great..it may very well be, but not from anything they are saying, talk is cheap.
They are saying this now because they got their ass handed to them,
Haint
Member
If someone owns multiple consoles, why would they ever be happy about having to buy the game on a platform with lesser performance, a non-preferred controller, an online system they're not subbed to, etc...? Like he said it's fine when the game's not going to happen w/o the funding, but paying off publishers just to keep the game off Console Y is objectively bad for consumers. I have no idea why I'm having to explain this to you in the first place.
It's weird that people have no problem with console manufacturers buying studios when that also subtracts from the industry.
The more I see exclusives discussed, the more I'm convinced they're nothing but bad for the consumer and the games industry would be better off with one 'main' console platform to develop for.
Freeman
Banned
"Games that might not have made it to market" is the new PR strategy to spin exclusivity deals/moneyhats.
If they produce their own first and second party games I think this is a good direction, but if they intend to do as they did with Titanfall its not going to work.
All MS should care for is for their own customers and to provide value to them, making multiplataform games exclusive don't give them anything new, it generates a negative reaction from the market. Buying third party exclusivity is a strategy that collapses with time specially if your install base falls behind.
If they produce their own first and second party games I think this is a good direction, but if they intend to do as they did with Titanfall its not going to work.
All MS should care for is for their own customers and to provide value to them, making multiplataform games exclusive don't give them anything new, it generates a negative reaction from the market. Buying third party exclusivity is a strategy that collapses with time specially if your install base falls behind.
blazeuk
Member
They won't care as long as it helps them, an exclusive title whether bought or created by themselves is still an exclusive title and will make people want their console. It's a business, as much as it's far better for consumers if they create new content to go with third party software, it's just not how it always works, you do what you can do get ahead by making your own company more appealing and if you can make the competition look worse doing it then it's a bonus. It really wouldn't put them in a worse position, people who only have access to 1 console will complain but they'd only be doing so because they want that content.
I don't see it happening though, when they're talking about exclusives I imagine they have to be talking about creating them themselves, or actually funding them from scratch, buying exclusivity from potential third party games would be expensive, made more so because of the lower sales the XBO currently has.
Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist without funding.
People really like to interview and ask him questions that he feels compelled to answer for some reason.
BigSpleenRupture
Banned
Buying third party exclusivity is dumb, not worth it and bad for the industry.....If you have your own developers, and are paying them to make games for your consoles then so be it, but money hatting Exclusive DLC, third party deals = has to go.
Listening to gamers is the headline but then almost instantly quotes dead rising and titanfall in an almost advertorial way, then quotes Spencer talking about smartglass and he wider MS portfolio.
They could have stayed more focused on what exactly 'the gamer' is asking for, rather than what appears to be lip service and then the usual fluff.
They could have stayed more focused on what exactly 'the gamer' is asking for, rather than what appears to be lip service and then the usual fluff.
In an era of 100 million plus development budgets how many publishers are going to sell an exclusive to a console that is 2 million units (and counting) behind its competition? You have to think they are going to take the higher profits of multi platform releases over anything Microsoft could offer. New IP makes sense, but those are essentially "bets" without a set ROI like a COD or GTA. Does anyone realistically think they can money hat a juggernaut?
not bad for me. I have every console out right now. I could care less about a game not coming out on my ps4 that would have if Microsoft didn't buy exclusivity . I subscribe to both Gold and PS Plus. I have no preference between the controllers neither am I caught up in the whole lesser console BS because of 1080p. Let them do what they can to bring numbers up. I'm wit it
Miles Quaritch
Member
Talk is cheap.
Give me a new Bloodwake, Jet Force Gemini, Banjo, Midtown Madness, PGR and Blast Corps and I'll start to believe.
Give me a new Bloodwake, Jet Force Gemini, Banjo, Midtown Madness, PGR and Blast Corps and I'll start to believe.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I've no interest in MSFT brute force buying exclusives. It's going to kill the industry in the future if we have one maker monopolizing similarly to their anti trust days. Bolster your 1st party stuff.
Freeman
Banned
I didn't mention Bayonetta 2 specifically since I particularly don't care for it, but its easy to say this sort of thing now that the game is going to be an exclusive to WiiU. As I said, from now on this is how PR teams will deal with this.
Exactly. This is what happened with Titanfall.
Agreed. Each company needs to learn to stand on their own two feet, & not rely on money-hatting exclusives just to get them out of a rut.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Perfect Dark's time has passed. It's Jet Force Gemini's time to shine.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
The big mistake that Microsoft is making is listening to the views of Xbox "fans".
They need speak to people that don't already have an XBone and find out what is holding them back - and then address those concerns with actions rather than empty PR promises.
If they only seek the views of fans Microsoft will be "preaching to the choir" and learn nothing about what is required to make the Xbone more attractive to potential customers that they would otherwise have lost to rival platforms.
Common sense isn't all that common, it's a god damn super power...
They need speak to people that don't already have an XBone and find out what is holding them back - and then address those concerns with actions rather than empty PR promises.
If they only seek the views of fans Microsoft will be "preaching to the choir" and learn nothing about what is required to make the Xbone more attractive to potential customers that they would otherwise have lost to rival platforms.
Common sense isn't all that common, it's a god damn super power...
Or that.
I don't agree with this at all. Mostly because the sorts of games that a developer can make to attract people to a console, and the sorts of games they can make purely to generate revenue aren't the same. Sega had an endless stream of awesome shit back when they had consoles of their own to push, now that they are merely a publisher, many of these types of games make no sense to make. Can you really picture any third-party dev producing something like Shenmue? Nah, neither can I... which is why many people think the only chance of ever seeing it release, is if one of the console manufacturers fund it.
I'm not too certain what you mean by if Rare were never bought. Do you mean bought from Nintendo? Or in the first place? Because if they were never bought it the first place, then the majority of what many people loved Rare for would probably have never existed.
The difference between funding a game and purchasing an exclusive, is that when you fund a game, there's a good chance you're giving a game the chance to exist that otherwise wouldn't have been able to (e.g. Bayonetta 2). If you're purchasing exclusivity, then that game was already going to exist. Someone out there already decided it was likely to bring the money in... which in most cases also means that it's a less risky, and probably less innovative product.
Either create internal studios and have them make your content. Or (and this is my preferred option), work with existing studios to create exclusive IP based on the types of games that they excel in. Don't bother swallowing up games that we all were going to get to play anyway... that's not helpful for any of us.
Rather them buy game exclusives than buy whole studios.
Winterfang
Banned
Don't listen too much to gamers, a company needs to be level headed.
Cornbread78
Member
with that being said, if there are major 3rd party exclusives a.k.a "money hats" announced at E3, there will be major rage on these boards... We better get our bomb shelters ready...
Phil says what we like to hear but when you go back and analyze his track record he became head GM of MGS in 2008, right about the time they morphed into a Halo/Fable/Forza production line. The decline of MGS correlates exactly to his time at the helm so you got to wonder if he's really in it for us, the gamers, or not.
twisteddeeds
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But microsoft never listen to gamers... that's why they are in the state they are in right now... (xbox division)
Does Microsoft have the stones to buy an Assassin's Creed, COD, or GTA? I mean, the money we are talking about there would have to be ridiculous. And, as I said, what publisher is going to risk the loss of so much profit?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
No but as I said before, we don't need another MSFT monopoly. Stuff like that will only hurt the industry in the future.
No one I would imagine.
To be fair, if Spencer didn't back the DRM pre-180 he'd have lost his job. Still nothing I agree with, but I don't think it truly reflects what he thinks.
twisteddeeds
Member
The problem with microsoft is, they pump money out to different studios to get them a hit.. once they get that hit.. they milk it dry (series) until they end up closing/ giving up on a studio
KaiserBecks
Member
I thought it was "We love developers!".
Cynn
Member
It matters to me. Creating new games as exclusives delivers fresh, platform optimized titles to the table. Buying exclusives is just shitty attempts to block others from enjoying a third party effort.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
what the hell is XONE
Really though, that's like the worst possible abbreviation for the Xbox One, lol
Cornbread78
Member
Well, it would never be any of those major franchises, but multiple mid tier exclusives for other well known franchises would do the trick.
Or maybe, just maybe, people like to interview him for clicks.
As has been said so many times, this kind of statement ignores a bunch of other factors. He was not head of Xbox. He had the entire hierarchy of other people above him against the games, games, games vision. Balmer, Mattrick, all those guys were against that vision, so not matter what he wanted to do, he could not just greenlight anything he wanted to. He's the guy who gets down there and does a bunch of dirty work, but if he wants to, say, greenlight a new IP or whatever, he can't do that with the other people over him saying no.
Actually even buying exclusivity of already-developed games can add to the industry since the moneyhat can be used by the third party to fund other games. An exclusive could also have higher quality since it can be optimised for the one platform.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
Too little too late.
Their console is already too compromised from their earlier miss-direction. Underpowered (ESRAM etc), over gimmicked (mandatory Kinect that ... no one uses) and too expensive. In terms of hardware, they've lost and will never recover. PS4 is more powerful and cheaper, games will always do more and look better.
But hardware isn't everything. Games also help, however last time I checked Microsoft have buried, lost and crippled most of their great first party studios. So it's all about third party exclusivity, only that's off to a terrible start. Smaller user base, harder development and a track record already off to a bad start. Oh and let's not forget a lot of high profile developers can't actually buy their console in their home country.
So exclusives. I can't see EA, Take Two and Ubisoft agreeing to limit the sale of a big AAA title to less than half the console user-base. Me thinks we will just see shitty promo deals like 'DLC map packs first' etc. Nothing of substance.
Their console is already too compromised from their earlier miss-direction. Underpowered (ESRAM etc), over gimmicked (mandatory Kinect that ... no one uses) and too expensive. In terms of hardware, they've lost and will never recover. PS4 is more powerful and cheaper, games will always do more and look better.
But hardware isn't everything. Games also help, however last time I checked Microsoft have buried, lost and crippled most of their great first party studios. So it's all about third party exclusivity, only that's off to a terrible start. Smaller user base, harder development and a track record already off to a bad start. Oh and let's not forget a lot of high profile developers can't actually buy their console in their home country.
So exclusives. I can't see EA, Take Two and Ubisoft agreeing to limit the sale of a big AAA title to less than half the console user-base. Me thinks we will just see shitty promo deals like 'DLC map packs first' etc. Nothing of substance.
Tidus_Great
Banned
exclusives are a good idea i remember xbox360 did well early with exclusives like lost odyssey, Mass Effect, last remnant and bioshock was console exclusive for a while.
that's when MS seemed to actually care and did well in beating ps3, but ever sicne around 2009 they haven't had many interesting exclusives and just kinda did a bunch of shooter games
I honestly dont see them focusing on anything but shooter game exclusives but hopefully they can do something to bring things back to when the xbox brand was good.
that's when MS seemed to actually care and did well in beating ps3, but ever sicne around 2009 they haven't had many interesting exclusives and just kinda did a bunch of shooter games
I honestly dont see them focusing on anything but shooter game exclusives but hopefully they can do something to bring things back to when the xbox brand was good.Similar threads
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