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[Boss Doggie]

It's not us neogafers the conference would benefit though, it's people who would take note of a big event like that but not watch a livestream specific to Nintendo. Wider audience, which they need.

Where are you getting this "wider audience" thing? It's streamed. It will be reported. It has the same benefits of having a live conference.

Really, I'm still inclined to believe people want a live conference for that console war swag.

 

[Riki]

It's weird to me how they announce some pretty stellar happening for E3 (Smash Invitational, Pre-recorded "Digital Event" and freaking TREEHOUSE LIVE-STREAM and people are still mad about no press conference. I just don't get it. Does a press conference really matter that much? Or is the gaming media just sad that they don't get to be the news middle man like they usual can be with Sony and Microsoft?

I like the Direct approach. Right to the consumer. I'm super excited for the Treehouse Livestream.

Nintendo can't win. Journalists and gamers are dead set on hating everything this company does.
Such a pity that these so called gamers are so bitter and ignorant.

 

[Mistouze]

Looking forward the Smash Invitational, will probably make or break the hype for the game in the FGC. Hopefully there'll be some crazy matches.

 

[Shiggy]

Like Mario Kart 8???

Nope, like NSMB U, Pikmin 3, DKC:TF; Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Wii Sports U, and Smash Bros. U.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Honestly, I don't even really care that much about how much Nintendo will benefit, because I honestly think that any difference it makes won't be huge and because I'm not working for Nintendo or in the press. As long as Nintendo is still making great games I could care less if they were in the lead sales wise or something like that. So for me, what I care about is my personal experience and the content delivered. The first I find to be drastically better when the bullshit is cut out, and stuff like demos or the smash tournament available to me and other gamers is way cooler than anything MS or Sony has ever done. The second is completely independent of the format. So honestly, why give a shit if a bunch of assholes are too stupid to find Nintendo's stuff. They probably weren't interested in the first place, and honestly it doesn't affect me.

 

[Soul Beat]

Oh My God! Smash Invitational, Smash at BestBuy?!

 

[Interceptor]

Nope, like NSMB U, Pikmin 3, DKC:TF; Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Wii Sports U, and Smash Bros. U.

All those rehashes. I wish they would make a competitive shooter with a subscription based multiplayer instead. There aren´t any of those.

 

[Ponn]

I'm still not seeing the "lack" of hype and excitement. It may be unorthodox, but it's there, from imageboards to forums, hell even social media apparently.

Hype from who exactly though, current Wii U owners and Nintendo fans? Exactly. The people in this thread who are claiming they are fine just getting the game info from Nintendo Directs like they have been, because they already own their Wii U's and are just salivating looking for their next game. Nintendo needs to increase their install base and what many people in this thread aren't able to do is put themselves in the shoes of an average joe who is not a Nintendo fan, who doesn't already own a Wii U. Those are the people Nintendo severely need to get hyped about their product.

With the games they showed last year they wouldn't have created more excitement or interest at a real conference. The Wii U simply is an unappealing product. It's like the Zune. Or the Surface tablet.

This is an argument I keep seeing popping up that is just very odd to me. "Well the product sucks anyways so why promote it" Well, thats an awesome business attitude to have and does wonders for mind share. Why on earth do people keep up with the Nintendo Doom and Gloom I have no idea....

Seriously though, its the same thing I lay the blame fully at Sony's feet for Vita. You can come up with excuse after excuse after excuse but it really just comes off as a parent making excuses and enabling their druggie kid to get away with whatever when they are doing it to themselves. The product is good, hell I came up with several awesome game ideas the moment I saw it, yet Nintendo, the "great innovator" has done jack shit with it. Where is the Pokemon Skylander type stuff that could use the tablet? Where is advance wars on the tablet? Fire Emblem? MARIO FUCKING PAINT! This is stuff that should have been done and ready by now. Where the hell is the games that use the tablet for more than a map screen? Where was the great marketing push to educate people on the difference between a Wii and Wii U and why they should purchase one? Oh yea, that one commercial last christmas, great stuff (though I give Nintendo that was more than what Sony gave Vita).

You can't claim a product was unappealing to the masses when a company literally sends a product out the door to die. They thought they had that fickle Wii base still and they would all automatically come over to Wii U without them having to raise a finger. They had to put some effort into it, and they didn't and won't. They are a company that hates to change direction and would rather take their ball and go home. Which is fine, if they weren't a business.

 

[Codeblue]

But wouldn't that even further give credit to the fact that it isn't just because press want to be in their conference?

No. Some random guy telling me that this is a bad idea isn't convincing.

Look man, I get it. Some people want a spectacle. I'm one of those people. But I'm not going to pretend that what I want is what Nintendo needs to do.

We all want a lot of things that aren't necessarily a good idea for the companies we want them from.

 

[mantidor]

Well that was silly.

But I like the more segmented approach they are taking instead of one big stream/conference.

Wtf... This is the hypest announcement they could have made (obviously barring the inclusion of a press event with all this stuff), and the press decides to dogpile on the negative?

Ugh.

And people still wondering why Nintendo has been doing nothing but trying to bypass the gaming press entirely. It's a lost cause for them, I'd do the same.

 

[DeaviL]

I have a surface, a Vita and a Wii U.
Thus i have concluded that when and if i buy a product, it will fail.

Now what am i going to buy next? Hmmm...

 

[LiberaTeExInferis]

No. Some random guy telling me that this is a bad idea isn't convincing.

Look man, I get it. Some people want a spectacle. I'm one of those people. But I'm not going to pretend that what I want is what Nintendo needs to do.

We all want a lot of things that aren't necessarily a good idea for the companies we want them from.

I almost applauded you in my home!

 

[backlot]

I do believe that they said after Skyward Sword that they don't want to go back to non-motion controls.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fu...ing-with-skyward-sword-slashing/1100-6347451/

Although that was some time ago, and Miyamoto has since divulged that he's aware that motion controls in Zelda aren't embraced by everyone.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/06/08/e3-2012-miyamoto-talks-zelda-wii-u

So anything could happen. Packing both to please everyone would be my guess.



That's because it really, really is.

I don't know that supporting both control methods would really work out. The gameplay in Skyward Sword was based around swinging your sword in different directions and I don't think you could recreate that with a normal controller. I guess they could make it like an average Zelda game with optional Motion Plus controls but Motion Plus really can't add anything meaningful to the experience unless the game is designed around it.

 

[RagnarokX]

The actual wording of the report outside the headline seems okay. Although I'd say you shouldn't use "yet again" until the third occurrence?

Wouldn't a first occurrence also be necessary?

 

[Aaronrules380]

Hype from who exactly though, current Wii U owners and Nintendo fans? Exactly. The people in this thread who are claiming they are fine just getting the game info from Nintendo Directs like they have been, because they already own their Wii U's and are just salivating looking for their next game. Nintendo needs to increase their install base and what many people in this thread aren't able to do is put themselves in the shoes of an average joe who is not a Nintendo fan, who doesn't already own a Wii U. Those are the people Nintendo severely need to get hyped about their product.



This is an argument I keep seeing popping up that is just very odd to me. "Well the product sucks anyways so why promote it" Well, thats an awesome business attitude to have and does wonders for mind share. Why on earth do people keep up with the Nintendo Doom and Gloom I have no idea....

Seriously though, its the same thing I lay the blame fully at Sony's feet for Vita. You can come up with excuse after excuse after excuse but it really just comes off as a parent making excuses and enabling their druggie kid to get away with whatever when they are doing it to themselves. The product is good, hell I came up with several awesome game ideas the moment I saw it, yet Nintendo, the "great innovator" has done jack shit with it. Where is the Pokemon Skylander type stuff that could use the tablet? Where is advance wars on the tablet? Fire Emblem? MARIO FUCKING PAINT! This is stuff that should have been done and ready by now. Where the hell is the games that use the tablet for more than a map screen? Where was the great marketing push to educate people on the difference between a Wii and Wii U and why they should purchase one? Oh yea, that one commercial last christmas, great stuff (though I give Nintendo that was more than what Sony gave Vita).

You can't claim a product was unappealing to the masses when a company literally sends a product out the door to die. They thought they had that fickle Wii base still and they would all automatically come over to Wii U without them having to raise a finger. They had to put some effort into it, and they didn't and won't. They are a company that hates to change direction and would rather take their ball and go home. Which is fine, if they weren't a business.

Why does anyone think the average joe watches e3 press conferences? Aside from console announcements, a huge chunk of GAMERS don't even watch the conferences if they don't own the console in question, and the ones who watch all the conferences all the time are always the biggest hardcore fans who will have no problem finding the nintendo stream. I could just as easily say that the MS press conference doesn't reach people who aren't MS fans because regardless of where you find it, people will only watch if they had interest in the first place. E3 is not a super mainstream event. Stuff like last year is big, but only because the content was a new console generation. Generally most casual fans don't watch e3, if they even know it exists

 

[Sandfox]

I just hope they make the streaming video servers actually able to deal with the massive strain they're going to get, unlike every other year ever.

All they need to do is stream on a better site than last year to fix that problem.

 

[PhoenixDawn]

All they need to do is stream on a better site than last year to fix that problem.

Yep, and now that they also stream to Twitch and Youtube (especially Youtube) the buffering/lag has essentially vanished for me.

 

[Mariolee]

i remember there were floorplans for a nintendo booth at e3, but as soon as i entered the area where it was supposed to be i fell into a hole in spacetime and only wound up here and now to tell you all about it.

I love you so much Anihawk.

 

[deriks]

I have a surface, a Vita and a Wii U.
Thus i have concluded that when and if i buy a product, it will fail.

Now what am i going to buy next? Hmmm...

How about a PC?

 

[Apophis2036]

Why does anyone think the average joe watches e3 press conferences? Aside from console announcements, a huge chunk of GAMERS don't even watch the conferences if they don't own the console in question, and the ones who watch all the conferences all the time are always the biggest hardcore fans who will have no problem finding the nintendo stream. I could just as easily say that the MS press conference doesn't reach people who aren't MS fans because regardless of where you find it, people will only watch if they had interest in the first place. E3 is not a super mainstream event. Stuff like last year is big, but only because the content was a new console generation. Generally most casual fans don't watch e3, if they even know it exists

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

 

[bfwings55]

Shane Satterfield is not happy, I think.

OH MY GOD IT'S LIKE A FUCKING P4R GAMING ARTICLE

JESUS CHRIST

 

[XenodudeX]

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

They gave a fucking exclusive press conference to the media.

AND a Q&A

But lets just ignore all of that because of reasons

 

[Aaronrules380]

I'm pretty sure last year stuff like the ign livestream not only announced the Nintendo direct happening, but also gave live commentary while it was going on. Nobody following e3 would be able to miss it. And don't give me some crap about people not wanting to change streams. If someone can't be bothered to do something as simple as click a link or type in a url to go to the Nintendo direct, they were never interested in the first place. The people who bought into the Nintendo isn't at e3 were super casual people who weren't ever following the event and who probably wouldn't watch it in the first place even if there was a conference. I don't get why people think everyone who watches e3 is just sitting there following it all day long? Like, what type of person sits and watches the stream when it starts covering something they have no interest in rather than finding something else to do? Only someone with literally nothing to do, and that type of person isn't going to find it too hard to change to the direct. Anyone who can put the conference in their schedule was just as capable of putting the direct in. The people who misunderstood are almost certainly people who had no interest in Nintendo and only read a headline. Anyone interested would have read deeper and found out the truth anyways

 

[Ponn]

Why does anyone think the average joe watches e3 press conferences? Aside from console announcements, a huge chunk of GAMERS don't even watch the conferences if they don't own the console in question, and the ones who watch all the conferences all the time are always the biggest hardcore fans who will have no problem finding the nintendo stream. I could just as easily say that the MS press conference doesn't reach people who aren't MS fans because regardless of where you find it, people will only watch if they had interest in the first place. E3 is not a super mainstream event. Stuff like last year is big, but only because the content was a new console generation. Generally most casual fans don't watch e3, if they even know it exists

They don't, never said they do, that is probably why people are having a time understanding why this a problem for Nintendo. Who does watch these conferences and checks major gaming sites for their casual information are the people that influence average joes. Your Gamestop clerks, your retail clerks, Yahoo's front page or NY times snippets during E3. If these people aren't hyped about a product, that very much trickles down to the average consumers.

Consumer: "So what is Wii U?"
Gamestop: "Nintendo's new console, whatever, they didn't even show up at E3 the last two years the systems dead, buy a PS4 instead to be safe"

Word of mouth and hype have effects, just look at PS4 coming out of E3. Everyone was talking about that shit but not everyone watched the conference. If Nintendo Directs really were all that was needed you would assume Wii U would be selling like gangbusters by now. There is more to selling the system then just sending out press releases on the few Nintendo games Nintendo fans are already excited for to begin with.

 

[Sadist]

Honestly, that's why I don't understand some folks regarding this topic. Let's be honest here, why do we watch pressconferences to begin with? Right, the games. Ever since following E3 live for the first time (I believe in 2007) every year we'll have the same song and dance regarding these pressers.

"Pfff, man Don Mattrick is such a faker. Show us games Don!"
"HAHAHA, did you see that guy mess up that demo live at the PS presser. Embarassing."
"Lol Cammy couldn't even beat the first Goomba. Goddamn casuals"
"TV TV TV TV. We don't care about entertainment available on just one box, we WANT GAMES"
"Reggie is such a douche. Why does he keep talking about sales figures? Fucking Nintendo"
"I swear, if Jack keeps talking about the Playstation ecosystem, kittens will die"

* Note: the statements above are just a few excerpts of the past few years.

But the games are shown, everybody is happy and tears of joy while exclaiming "oh man, it's a slow showing but it's been worth it for this trailer!" Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a Digital Event without the fluff of those bloated conferences.

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

Oh, so when the mass media turns on the broadcast they'll be greeted by a huge flashing sign that tells 'em to "Turn of this stream, it's just for fans?"

 

[Aaronrules380]

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

How often does the ACTUAL mass media cover e3? And I mean non-gaming sites because stuff like IGN all covered Nintendo and aren't really mass media. Last year was an exception because of console announcements. But how often do major news outlets actually give any time to e3 stuff besides special cases like that?

 

[Deap92x]

This sounds good, are they gonna bring pro smash players or wat?

 

[nintendors]

Fts...this is going to be my first E3 experience (a dream comes true really) and Nintendo is not gonna have a conference ??



FML...


I really hope that at least fans will arrange something like a big projector screening for the stream or a TV or something. I NEED TO SHARE MY REACTION TO ZELDA U WITH OTHER NINTENDO FANS....GOD !! IM REALLY FRUSTRATED T_T

 

[Into]

You are jumping to this conclusion, based on the fact that some of us say that maybe it's better for Nintendo to not do a conference (see the posts of John Harker and Aquamarine for logical explanations of that).

I never said that, i never said you or anyone here claimed that "conferences = bad". That is evident in my posts. If you want to argue phantom arguments, do it without me.

We have had this discussion before, last year, the difference is that back then it was somewhat more surprising they weren't having a E3 conference.

Did it hurt them? Did it help them last year to have a stream? No, its not like sales of 3DS or Wii U skyrocketed or dived after E3, they stayed on whatever trajectory they were at. Did anything positive or negative happen to Nintendo because of their "no show" at E3? (Even though they were there, i am just echoing a very common thing said on message boards). Which ultimately brings one to the conclusion that E3 does not really matter, something which everyone should know, yet treat it as the Superbowl match of the industry.

The issue is not that Nintendo is not attending E3 (again they are actually attending), its that enthusiast gamers put way to much emphasis on E3 and its meaning.

 

[KingSnake]

Consumer: "So what is Wii U?"
Gamestop: "Nintendo's new console, whatever, they didn't even show up at E3 the last two years the systems dead, buy a PS4 instead to be safe"

So the Gamestop employee is basing his information on the E3 rather than training? Gamestop must be such a crappy company then.

The issue is not that Nintendo is not attending E3 (again they are actually attending), its that enthusiast gamers put way to much emphasis on E3 and its meaning.

Oh, this I totally agree with.
It's way more important what games will Nintendo have for the near future (announced at E3 or not) than what kind of format they use for E3. But this thread is about the Nintendo's E3 plans.

 

[DeaviL]

How about a PC?

I've had plenty and the parts keep breaking one by one.
It refuses to bend to my will.

 

[Majine]

Cute, but no press conference is still a bummer. "Inventing new ways to approach E3"? More like doing safe and extremely cheap things instead of giving fans what they want.

 

[Hatchtag]

But the games are shown, everybody is happy and tears of joy while exclaiming "oh man, it's a slow showing but it's been worth it for this trailer!" Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a Digital Event without the fluff of those bloated conferences.

Iwata fluffs a shit ton during Nintendo Directs. We definitely do not lose fluff by having it be a Nintendo Direct instead of a press conference.

 

[Neff]

Can't wait to compare TP 2004 reactions with stoic Iwata showing random Zelda clips in front of a white wall...

You can get that stuff here. 30 pages of shellshocked NeoGAFers reacting to Bayonetta 2 coming to Wii U beat out anything revealed at E3 since I can remember.

And I always felt that the Twilight Princess E3 reception was embarrassing as hell, anyway.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Sounds alright. Super curious what craziness they plan to unleash that week.

 

[deriks]

I've had plenty and the parts keep breaking one by one.
It refuses to be manipulated by me.

Damn nanomachines!

 

[Somnid]

Cute, but no press conference is still a bummer. "Inventing new ways to approach E3"? More like doing safe and extremely cheap things instead of giving fans what they want.

I'm pretty sure most intelligent people understand that "what fans want" is nebulous and changes from person to person and that the majority don't actually know what they want until they are told they should want it.

Also see: Zelda Cycle.

 

[Riki]

Cute, but no press conference is still a bummer. "Inventing new ways to approach E3"? More like doing safe and extremely cheap things instead of giving fans what they want.

Giving fans what they want?
A multi day Smash tourny. Live streamig with TreeHouse and devs. Demos at Best Buy nation wide.
This isn't what gamers want? They want a conference they can't even go to?

 

[Ponn]

So the Gamestop employee is basing his information on the E3 rather than training? Gamestop must be such a crappy company then.

I was a manager at Gamestop for awhile. What training exactly do you think Gamestop gives? They hire, or try to hire, people who are into games for a reason. There isn't a game school, or game training program. At most you have the company reps that come by, occasionally give some swag, swap out demo discs and shoot the shit. I had one employee that was pimping the original Xbox HARD when it first came out. He would try to sell it to moms with 8 year old kids and I was just like, please, stop doing that. It's hard for alot of people to put themselves in others shoes and break down personal biases. Thats why I can't stress enough how much Nintendo is not helping themselves in that department, nor Sony with Vita. If you treat your system like a leper and show no confidence in then why on earth should you expect others to.

 

[The_Lump]

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

...which only highlights the main problem: why is it that the only way that you can have your news/information properly reported is to hold a fancy press event?

Why can't the press just disseminate the information they are given through accurate articles and fair journalism? They still get exactly the same news and announcements - so why doesn't it filter through to mainstream media unless certain stipulations about how it's presented to them are met?

 

[KingSnake]

Treehouse Live at E3 :

Constant daily streams with game creators throughout E3, with live demos and much more.

I'm really curious to see these. I wonder how much can they uncover. If this will be as interesant as the Iwata asks series series could be a delight to watch.

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

Surprised it hasn't been posted yet

 

[Sadist]

Iwata fluffs a shit ton during Nintendo Directs. We definitely do not lose fluff by having it be a Nintendo Direct instead of a press conference.

Yes it does.

These press conferences are targeted to several groups at once, which bloats the conference. Consumers, press, retailers, developers etc. are adressed during these things and all groups have to sit through a lot of uninteresting details. As a consumer, I'm not that interested about the PS ecosystem selling fantastic and being a place for experiences. That's talk to convince retailers to stock Sony's products.

Nintendo focusses on bringing info just on games. Iwata showing a joke is minimal fluff.

 

[Mr Swine]

People want live Nintendo conference so they can goof of on screen and have awkward moments. Everyone would say "Wow this is really awkward and it's not helping them!" And then spout of negative things all year long about it

 

[vasametropolis]

Didn't you hear the music, it is going to be there.

I know, but I said I'd eat my face if it wasn't. I'm in trouble.

 

[PhoenixDawn]

I'm really curious to see these. I wonder how much can they uncover. If this will be as interesant as the Iwata asks series series could be a delight to watch.

Same, I hope Nintendo starts to use the new Twitch page that they set up recently not only for lots of cool E3 streams/game demos but also other events throughout the year.

 

[Sandfox]

It's not about people watching the conferences, it's about the mass media who cover the big E3 press conferences. Those are exactly the type of people who Nintendo should be trying to educate, not pandering to the 5 million hardcore fans who already love Nintendo and already own WiiU.

The mass media covered them last year.

 

[KingSnake]

I was a manager at Gamestop for awhile. What training exactly do you think Gamestop gives? They hire, or try to hire, people who are into games for a reason. There isn't a game school, or game training program. At most you have the company reps that come by, occasionally give some swag, swap out demo discs and shoot the shit. I had one employee that was pimping the original Xbox HARD when it first came out. He would try to sell it to moms with 8 year old kids and I was just like, please, stop doing that. It's hard for alot of people to put themselves in others shoes and break down personal biases. Thats why I can't stress enough how much Nintendo is not helping themselves in that department, nor Sony with Vita. If you treat your system like a leper and show no confidence in then why on earth should you expect others to.

Is it mandatory for a Gamestop employee to watch the E3 live? Isn't the Nintendo E3 conference during the working hours (or when they are on the way to work)? Is it livestreamed in the Gamestop shops for the employees to watch?

 

[Rosur]

Enjoyed that vid. The treehouse thing seems interesting don't know if i'll be watching though.

 

[Majine]

Giving fans what they want?
A multi day Smash tourny. Live streamig with TreeHouse and devs. Demos at Best Buy nation wide.
This isn't what gamers want? They want a conference they can't even go to?

This all sounds specifically targeted. If you're not in the US and is not a Smash fan, most of the value dies. For the broader Nintendo fanbase, a proper press conference would be better. And for the mainstream press coverage.