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[Jest Chillin]

Amazing ep. That reveal at the end man!

This has major implications for Skye. Coulson had already said that his mind was going nuts during the procedure and with that video at the end, it seems like it was the result of deterioration from the drugs rather than the procedure itself. However we've seen nothing like that from Skye and we know she's a 084...

Also Coulson being the project leader for TAHITI and the memory erasure connects why he's got such a low clearance now. In the Avengers he was pretty much right up there with Maria Hill in terms of access and importance.. but having the procedure done on him would've required that they not only erase/alter his memory of the procedure itself but of his involvement in the project at all, otherwise he'd immediately put the pieces together. So scrub a ton of his high level knowledge, drop his clearance and give him a team that May picks out so she can watch him while he's far away from the major players.

 

[pieatorium]

he already knew about some of the procedure and the alien origin of the treatment all thats new is known side effect being mental breakdown but i doubt any of the other test subject knew that so the extra information is probably irrelevant for any side effects manifesting

 

[WesternHeretic]

So, concerning that ending

Spoiler

does that explain why Coulson's personality changed? Also, what about Skye? Is she going to go nuts?

I think she already has....

 

[inky]

So does Maria's conversation with Pepper mean Man-Thing is now a part of the MCU?

They are just name-dropping it as a nod to fans, something that can be done in TV regardless of movie rights shenanigans.

Loved seeing Hill in this ep btw <3 Heck, this was probably my favorite episode so far.

 

[neoanarch]

They are just name-dropping it as a nod to fans, something that can be done in TV regardless of movie rights shenanigans.

Loved seeing Hill in this ep btw <3 Heck, this was probably my favorite episode so far.

Its slightly more than a nod as another character tied to Man-Thing was in IM3. Ellen Brandt.

 

[Zen]

lol they are really trying to make generic white dude a real human being by trying to let him "act".

Except he is one of the better actors on the show.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

I think she already has....

I just hope by the end of the season we find out what she is.

 

[Zen]

Spoiler

they have mentioned that we will know in the season finale

 

[SRG01]

Oh man OH MAN

Spoiler

what if the Kree at TAHITI crash landed and died at the village where Skye was found? And that they're actually related?

 

[H.Cornerstone]

Oh man OH MAN

Spoiler

what if the Kree at TAHITI crash landed and died at the village where Skye was found? And that they're actually related?

Huh......

 

[J10]

Fury's getting the best writing here and he's not even on the damn show. Coulson really is a more horrifying version of an LMD at this point.

 

[golem]

I wish they would get rid of the 'bus'. They spend too much time on it, such a boring set.

 

[BJK]

I just hope by the end of the season we find out what she is.

My guess:

Spoiler

This Girl One of Whedon's own, and the MCU is clearly moving towards S.W.O.R.D., between Guardians of the Galaxy, the Infinity Gems and Thanos. The hair change can come when her powers manifest.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

My guess:

Spoiler

This Girl One of Whedon's own, and the MCU is clearly moving towards S.W.O.R.D., between Guardians of the Galaxy, the Infinity Gems and Thanos. The hair change can come when her powers manifest.

Do they have rights to her?

 

[LaNaranja]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Maybe it would help them lose the stigma Agents of Shield got thanks to the first half of the season and give them a bit of a fresh start. Maybe give them a cameo or post credit scene in GotG?

Spoiler

lol

 

[pieatorium]

Oh man OH MAN

Spoiler

what if the Kree at TAHITI crash landed and died at the village where Skye was found? And that they're actually related?

why would she need kree blood to regenerate if she was already a kree, even half kree she would be stronger and more durable than human

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Oh my God, this episode is amazing.

 

[TDLink]

The first "better than good" episode of the season. I actually was engaged the whole time and enjoyed both the action and character moments. It's a shame they only figured it out a few episodes before the end. Hopefully the last two continue the trend and they have a much better second season (provided they get a second season).

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Do people think Civil War will happen in the same movie in which Thanos attacks Earth? I mean, it could, but it's the only way it could happen by the end of Phase 3 given how many films Downey and Evans have left in their contracts.

Civil War will most likely be Phase 4 after Thanos fucks shit the fuck up, and that will ead into a new Avengers trilogy.

 

[TDLink]

Civil War will most likely be Phase 4 after Thanos fucks shit the fuck up, and that will ead into a new Avengers trilogy.

Civil War makes no sense in a world where everyone knows the identities of all the superheroes. Not to mention it was a shitty story. I would rather them do something else.

 

[kirblar]

The first "better than good" episode of the season. I actually was engaged the whole time and enjoyed both the action and character moments. It's a shame they only figured it out a few episodes before the end. Hopefully the last two continue the trend and they have a much better second season (provided they get a second season).

The Peggy Carter series will be good for them. They badly needed to structure the front 13 into a cohesive arc but instead did scattershot 1-offs. Now they know they'll have two runs of episodes to get two larger arcs in play next season.

 

[LaNaranja]

Civil War makes no sense in a world where everyone knows the identities of all the superheroes. Not to mention it was a shitty story. I would rather them do something else.

Yea! Like that Annihilation story everyone seems to love! It would give Peter Jason Quill and Harley Keener a chance to take the center stage of the MCU for a while.

 

[TDLink]

The Peggy Carter series will be good for them. They badly needed to structure the front 13 into a cohesive arc but instead did scattershot 1-offs. Now they know they'll have two runs of episodes to get two larger arcs in play next season.

Agent Carter isn't actually confirmed yet, but hopefully it does indeed happen that way.

Yea! Like that Annihilation story everyone seems to love! It would give Peter Jason Quill and Harley Keener a chance to take the center stage of the MCU for a while.

Annihilation is a one movie story really rather than something encompassing an entire phase. Also, they really should (for the most part) keep Cosmic and Avengers separate if they are serious about Cosmic being its own sort-of-separate franchise. Annihilation isn't really inclusive of The Avengers.

 

[Toa TAK]

Great episode. I think it's pretty interesting that they have Fitz being sorta the moral compass when it comes to Ward.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

So does Maria's conversation with Pepper mean Man-Thing is now a part of the MCU?

They are just name-dropping it as a nod to fans, something that can be done in TV regardless of movie rights shenanigans.

Loved seeing Hill in this ep btw <3 Heck, this was probably my favorite episode so far.

Its slightly more than a nod as another character tied to Man-Thing was in IM3. Ellen Brandt.

Sounds like later in the year we will have a Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Halloween Special Made for TV Movie: Man-Thing

I'm sure Marvel has the rights back by now, as who ever has had it has never used it, just like Universal and Namor.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Sounds like later in the year we will have a Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Halloween Special Made for TV Movie: Man-Thing

I'm sure Marvel has the rights back by now, as who ever has had it has never used it, just like Universal and Namor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Thing_(film)

 

[SRG01]

why would she need kree blood to regenerate if she was already a kree, even half kree she would be stronger and more durable than human

Maybe in she's stuck in pink mode and pink Kree in the MCU lack regen?

Either that or she's Spartoi.

 

[enzo_gt]

Why are we still using spoilers?

Another good episode. For the more versed in comics, is there an analogous experimentation program to T.A.H.I.T.I. in the comics?

I.. don't want it to end so soon now I think we're in for an inevitable we-found-side-effects-of-T.A.H.I.T.I.-that-we-did-not-know-during-testing. At least, the part of me that still wants Skye to get super powers wants that.

Not sure if I'm buying into S.W.O.R.D. just quite yet. I just don't think we'll see a space focus in the MCU ever, and Civil War is pretty much out of the question (I can't see what else they would fight over that is as powerful?).

 

[J10]

Civil War makes no sense in a world where everyone knows the identities of all the superheroes. Not to mention it was a shitty story. I would rather them do something else.

None of these adaptations are 1 to 1. Civil War doesn't need to be about secret identities nor does it have to have whatever problems you think it has. It just needs to be about Captain America Vs. Iron Man fighting over superhero imperialism.

You put this on a poster

and you make eleventy billion dollars. It's going to happen. I don't care if contracts expire. Marvel throws a boat full of money at Downey and Evans and it happens.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/ManThingDVDCover.jpg[img]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Thing_(film[/url])[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. It must have been bad as I've never seen it, had it recommended or even heard of it. Was it straight to DVD? I would like to think I would have noticed it coming out in the theaters.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

I stand corrected. It must have been bad as I've never seen it, had it recommended or even heard of it. Was it straight to DVD? I would like to think I would have noticed it coming out in the theaters.

Straight to SciFi channel.

 

[neoanarch]

I hate Civil War it not only required both Tony and Steve to act completely out of character but the majority of the heroes as well. I hope it never gets adapted.

 

[LaNaranja]

None of these adaptations are 1 to 1. Civil War doesn't need to be about secret identities nor does it have to have whatever problems you think it has. It just needs to be about Captain America Vs. Iron Man fighting over superhero imperialism.

Supposing this happened, how would they split the characters?

I assume Stark would get War Machine and Hulk? Maybe Ant-Man and Hawkeye? Vision and he brings Scarlet Witch? Cap would probably get the Defenders, Thor, Doctor Strange, Black Widow and Falcon. Maybe Quicksilver to add more tension.

It would probably end up seeming forced to get enough people to join Starks side without having them looking like out of character assholes. Otherwise the sides look unbalanced in Caps favor.

 

[PirateKing]

I haven't read any comments here, should I watch this series? Most of my friends, if I remember hated the start of it. Is it good now?

 

[LaNaranja]

I haven't read any comments here, should I watch this series? Most of my friends, if I remember hated the start of it. Is it good now?

Yup!

 

[googleplex]

Oh man OH MAN

Spoiler

what if the Kree at TAHITI crash landed and died at the village where Skye was found? And that they're actually related?

Sky's real name is Carol Danvers?

 

[AMUSIX]

I haven't read any comments here, should I watch this series? Most of my friends, if I remember hated the start of it. Is it good now?

It's good now, but had a very, very long, slow start where it was crappy for about 15 episodes.

Ep 13 was so-so, then it picked up slowly, then the stuff right before and all the stuff after Cap2 has been good.

Sky's real name is Carol Danvers?

 

[J10]

Sky's real name is Carol Danvers?

Carol Danvers is not an alien. Skye might be - she's an 084. Surely there is a Kree female you can think of.

 

[Zen]

I also hate the constant name dropping of people who are never going to appear on the show. It was old a while ago with Nick Fury but they keep doing it.

http://youtu.be/3Jx9ulfIK70

He has already been on the show and it was not a once off.

Why not make her a regular?

It would be interesting. I mean, she is a TV actor who they hired for cheap to do the movies, I wonder what they could get her for, or if she would be happier doing semi frequent appearances each season. She has appeared, 3 times so far? I kind of prefer her conceptually as not a regular cast member, but someone who appears a couple times each season.

This hour goes by so fast now that this show is good

I know right, I remember back in the days when it felt like the episodes could not get into act 2 without dragging, and often episodes were good while still even having to be apologetic to this lack of good pacing and being able to sustain concepts. Now every week I am counting down the days to the next episode.

In a weird way Coulson having been in charge of TAHITI makes a kind of sense due to Coulson's admiration for super heroes. I could see the project having been started as a kind of "how do we operate on Superman when he's injured?" question. How -would- you operate on Thor, or save Cap from an injury so great even his super soldier healing couldn't compensate?

Also, costume aside I do like the way J. is playing Deathlok. He is selling the character as learning how to be ruthless and even a bit sardonic. If the outfit was fixed and his full metal head visible, it would frankly be an awesome Deathlok.

I am kind of glad that half his face is not metal, since he is such a good actor.

Here is hoping that the ratings continue to go up.

 

[DarkFlow]

They are just name-dropping it as a nod to fans, something that can be done in TV regardless of movie rights shenanigans.

Loved seeing Hill in this ep btw <3 Heck, this was probably my favorite episode so far.

I guess they talked about man thing in a way in IM3 also.

http://io9.com/iron-man-3-included-a-major-shout-out-to-man-thing-1568972458

 

[Moaradin]

Another great episode.

 

[enzo_gt]

I hate Civil War it not only required both Tony and Steve to act completely out of character but the majority of the heroes as well. I hope it never gets adapted.

Pretty much. They had lee way in the comics (and still failed), but otherwise they risk destroying all the kinship they've built thus far. Either they end up demonizing one side again, or there's some utterly predictable threat that they have to come together for. On top of there not really being anything to divide them over that justifies the magnitude of the conflict.

The only thing it might be good for is transitioning from Chris Evans to Sebastian Stan, and I don't think he's ready to fill those shoes at all.

 

[anaron]

I do appreciate that Coulson's lower status and comparative incompetence kinda makes sense now.

 

[Alcoremortis]

Supposing this happened, how would they split the characters?

I assume Stark would get War Machine and Hulk? Maybe Ant-Man and Hawkeye? Vision and he brings Scarlet Witch? Cap would probably get the Defenders, Thor, Doctor Strange, Black Widow and Falcon. Maybe Quicksilver to add more tension.

It would probably end up seeming forced to get enough people to join Starks side without having them looking like out of character assholes. Otherwise the sides look unbalanced in Caps favor.

Stark would never get Banner. Sure, they're friends now, but Stark is very pro-establishment and Banner is very anti-establishment. I just don't think their friendship would survive something like that.

 

[Slayven]

why would she need kree blood to regenerate if she was already a kree, even half kree she would be stronger and more durable than human

Maybe in she's stuck in pink mode and pink Kree in the MCU lack regen?

Either that or she's Spartoi.

Pink and Blue are the same except for skin color. And Kree can't handle Earth's atmosphere for long with breathing help.

 

[DarkFlow]

Stark would never get Banner. Sure, they're friends now, but Stark is very pro-establishment and Banner is very anti-establishment. I just don't think their friendship would survive something like that.

How is stark Pro? He dismantled his weapons company and remade it into the only clean energy thing in town, told the government to kiss his ass when they wanted his suit, and tried to hack shield because he did not like a spy agency that kept secrets.

 

[BBboy20]

This hour goes by so fast now that this show is good

Why else people say the same during the first half of Soul Eater, Water 7 of One Piece, and Black Lagoon?

How is stark Pro? He dismantled his weapons company and remade it into the only clean energy thing in town, told the government to kiss his ass when they wanted his suit, and tried to hack shield because he did not like a spy agency that kept secrets.

Yeah, I think people here want Civil War is going to have to see use the films interpretations of the characters as they are now then what is from the comics.

 

[Alcoremortis]

How is stark Pro? He dismantled his weapons company and remade it into the only clean energy thing in town, told the government to kiss his ass when they wanted his suit, and tried to hack shield because he did not like a spy agency that kept secrets.

He's not pro-military or secrets, but he's still a capitalist. He believes in the system, the private sector, keeping order. He helped design the Helicarriers and I think it's a disservice to him to say he didn't even have a good guess what they were going to be used for. He typically works within the law and with the government. Doesn't mean he bows and scrapes to them, but he has way too much to lose by going rogue, especially if it were over something that he didn't see as being wrong.

Banner, on the other hand, has always been very against government. There's less argument for this in the MCU since he hasn't had as many appearances, but in the comics, he typically takes the opposite side of corporate/governmental interests. He even goes so far as to join a quasi-terrorist group at some point to fix things that he thinks need fixing. And he definitely doesn't care at all about the law. Laws are for other people.

 

[DarkFlow]

He's not pro-military or secrets, but he's still a capitalist. He believes in the system, the private sector, keeping order. He helped design the Helicarriers and I think it's a disservice to him to say he didn't even have a good guess what they were going to be used for. He typically works within the law and with the government. Doesn't mean he bows and scrapes to them, but he has way too much to lose by going rogue, especially if it were over something that he didn't see as being wrong.

Banner, on the other hand, has always been very against government. There's less argument for this in the MCU since he hasn't had as many appearances, but in the comics, he typically takes the opposite side of corporate/governmental interests. He even goes so far as to join a quasi-terrorist group at some point to fix things that he thinks need fixing. And he definitely doesn't care at all about the law. Laws are for other people.

I think if push came to shove Tony would tell them all to eat a bag of dicks and do his own thing. The end of IM3 showed he's willing to blow it all up. Tony is Pro Tony and that's about it. As for banner, it's clear he just wants to be left alone, and hates everyone since they all try to screw him at some point.

 

[Alcoremortis]

I think if push came to shove Tony would tell them all to eat a bag of dicks and do his own thing. The end of IM3 showed he's willing to blow it all up. Tony is Pro Tony and that's about it. As for banner, it's clear he just wants to be left alone, and hates everyone since they all try to screw him at some point.

Well, he wouldn't get forced into it, but given the comments about him privatizing world security, it kinda sounds like he's going very pro-regulation. And you can bet that Tony's version of world security would probably make the NSA's attempts look like the Keystone Cops by comparison.

I can see him not having a problem with excessive surveillance. I mean, he has no sense of personal privacy, either for himself or anyone else... which is a current very pro-government stance.