ShockingAlberto
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I think they're going to end up being far more gruesome if Snake doesn't make it and are chopping him up and distributing parts.
Sheik's grenade is certainly eyebrow-raising.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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I think they're going to end up being far more gruesome if Snake doesn't make it and are chopping him up and distributing parts.
Sheik's grenade is certainly eyebrow-raising.
DisconnectD
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That sounds too awesome
Nonsense, there's always room for Candy Kong!
Erm, do you feel there are too many female characters or something?
I don't think they should add characters just because they're female, but they shouldn't exclude them based on gender, either.
Freezie KO
Banned
Did it really? I know it didn't sell, but that's really sad. The gameplay was so much better balanced than in Dual Strike. I liked the simplicity of the game, and I appreciated the tone as well, even if the story was still silly.
Smash is not a series that's ever cared about characters having duplicate moves.
foxuzamaki
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DisconnectD
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Well.. the more I consider the bag of tricks that Sakurai is giving the newcomers so far, I really wouldn't be surprised to see an Awakening character/s with a pair up gimmick. At the very least, said character's DownB could have another unit rush in to block him/her from damage and counter attack and the final smash could be an over the top pair up critical hit attack.
Would be so down with that..
Incredible
Super leaf was terrible in MK7, but it should be interesting in Smash.
wow
Like I said before:
For Chrom's specials, other Fire Emblem characters are incorporated in similar fashion to Zelda's Phantom Slash. Like built-in Assist Trophies, they appear onscreen in an instant, complete a move and disappear. They can be neutralized by moves with greater priority, redirected by counters or pocketed by Villager.
- Neutral Special -- Robin -- The Tactician appears in his male form, casting a ranged projectile spell from his magic tome. Charge to unleash multiple projectiles in an arc.
- Forward Special -- Frederick -- The Great Knight dashes forward astride his horse, striking down foes with his broadsword. Continue to hold and he'll double back for a second pass.
- Up Special -- Sumia -- The Pegasus Knight and Chrom's canonical wife lifts him into the air with her pegasus, serving as a recovery move while also using her spear to attack.
- Down Special -- Lissa -- The Cleric and Chrom's sister appears to heal him in a ray of white light, slowly reducing his damage counter the longer Down Special is held.
- Final Smash -- Pair Up -- Chrom's time-traveling daughter Lucina emerges from a portal and follows a powered-up Chrom, doubling his attacks with swift follow-up strikes.
ShockingAlberto
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Sure. But why introduce a move for a character that's basically just another character's move when you could have done literally anything else? It's like if they didn't introduce Sonic but showed Zelda had a spindash move, it would have at least been curious.
DisconnectD
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So do you guys, like, uh... share:
This is a combination of what I think is likely and what I'd personally be interested in seeing (aka Gematsu leak plus Mewtwo and Takamaru). 51 characters, the only Brawl cuts being Squirtle and Ivysaur, 13 newcomers or 14 counting Mewtwo.
If the Gematsu leak were taken out of the equation it'd probably be about the same but without Chorus Men and Shulk, maybe with Dixie Kong thrown in or something. I also used to advocate for Ridley quite a bit, but after the Direct I'm convinced he's not realistic anymore. I'd love to be surprised.
This roster is truly a beautiful thing to behold but it is missing Ridley & an off the wall pick in the vein of WFT/G&W... damn, that would be Chorus kids, huh? (Can't he!p but be a tiny bit disappointed, since I was hoping for something more.. Flamboyant like Captain Rainbow, not that I have a problem with Chorus kids.)
Benzychenz
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I can agree with that. "Smash needs more females" isn't really a valid argument anymore with Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Palutena and Sheik and ZSS being their own roster slot.
I know you just pulled that analogy out your ass but I think it merits noting that Zelda using a spindash would be a bit more on the nose than Sheik throwing a grenade.
SenorArdilla
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I don't really see how splitting Sheik and ZSS contributes especially meaningfully against the 'Smash needs more women' argument.
Smash clearly needs Wonder pink, Bayonetta, krystal(lol), lyn, Amy, Blaze, Rouge, Cream, Roll, Pink Gold Peach, Teal Platnium Rosalina, Daisy, Pauline, Dixie, Candy, Tiny, paula, kumatora, Mona, Medusa, Jody, Toon zelda, Tetra, Cynthia to truely be complete.
DisconnectD
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At least they play wildly different? Fuck Chrom if he is ANYTHING like Marth or Ike, god dammit. Ike is how you differentiate a Fire Emblem lord and I hope Sakurai doesn't take the dash way out. ESPECIALLY if he somehow has to cut Ike
sakurai plsUncle0wnage
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I don't think there are too many, I just feel like there are tons of deserving characters, and to put one in over another just because they are female is the wrong way to go about it.
It won a bunch of people back over post-release when they realized it was still Advance Wars, but just look at yesterday's AW thread to see a lot of "it was great but I didn't like the style" opinions six years after the fact.
I'd assume because they wanted to add a projectile to Sheik's game (which is in line with my prior suspicions about the ranged game), and a tethered grenade fits her aesthetic while calling back to the chain move it replaces. The Nikita missile or mines showing up on someone else might raise eyebrows, but flash bombs and smoke bombs and the like are such bog standard ninja gear that I can't even begin to worry.
SenorArdilla
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Indeed. ZSS is just an alter ego of a character already in the game. Same with Sheik except that some people think that Sheik's a guy.
No lie, all of these would be legit.
Gender shouldn't play a role in which characters get in and which don't. The characters being interesting characters should be the determining factor. And I have no doubt that's Sakurai's main concern.
A couple interesting characters who happen to be female and whom I'd like to see are Palutena (all but confirmed) and Medusa. Yep, both from Kid Icarus Uprising, but also both from the original Kid Icarus, and together would form a "Sakurai trio" comparable to Kirby/Meta Knight/Dedede. Argue until you're blue in the face that Kid Icarus isn't relevant enough, but the fact is it was Sakurai's last game and one of his biggest, and there's no way he developed Uprising without having half a mind about how the myriad characters in that game might factor into a future Smash. Palutena had her own full-blown move-set in Uprising (before you even get to other powers like grind rails), and Medusa could have the unique feature of petrifying magic that turns her enemies to stone... not to mention an amazing Final Smash where she assumes her monster form and her detached head flies around the arena.
I don't realistically expect Medusa, but I'd love to have her.
A couple interesting characters who happen to be female and whom I'd like to see are Palutena (all but confirmed) and Medusa. Yep, both from Kid Icarus Uprising, but also both from the original Kid Icarus, and together would form a "Sakurai trio" comparable to Kirby/Meta Knight/Dedede. Argue until you're blue in the face that Kid Icarus isn't relevant enough, but the fact is it was Sakurai's last game and one of his biggest, and there's no way he developed Uprising without having half a mind about how the myriad characters in that game might factor into a future Smash. Palutena had her own full-blown move-set in Uprising (before you even get to other powers like grind rails), and Medusa could have the unique feature of petrifying magic that turns her enemies to stone... not to mention an amazing Final Smash where she assumes her monster form and her detached head flies around the arena.
I don't realistically expect Medusa, but I'd love to have her.
And Hades
Freezie KO
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At least they play wildly different? Fuck Chrom if he is ANYTHING like Marth or Ike, god dammit. Ike is how you differentiate a Fire Emblem lord and I hope Sakurai doesn't take the dash way out. ESPECIALLY if he somehow has to cut Ike
Chrom should really be a team with Lucina. That is perfectly representative of what makes Awakening unique in the FE series, and it would differentiate him from Marth and Ike.
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That's really disappointing. Especially now that the series is dead.
foxuzamaki
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theprodigy
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clearly Anna should just be put in as the 2nd permanent Fire Emblem rep, there's an extra female character
SenorArdilla
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Lyndis is an Assist Trophy, isn't she?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
You missed the transparency on the B!
Chrom & Lucina is what I was lobbying for until the Gematsu leak simply said "Chrom," although I suppose that it could be a case of poor wording on the part of the leaker. (Yep, I'm inclined to trust the Gematsu leak for the time being)
RMS Gigantic
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To fill the female character and Advanced Wars representative desires simultaneously, how about a Battleship? The only question then is which one to use, given that each nation's battleship unit in the original game is represented by designs loosely based on flagships (or proposals in some cases) of various nations during World War II, such as the Yamato and the Sovetsky Soyuz.
Freezie KO
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Well, if it's just Chrom, I hope Sakurai at least gives him Snake's bazooka.
Benzychenz
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I just mean that when the character select screen has, what, 8 females including Palutena out of 45-50 characters (and note that doesn't mean the rest are male, a large amount of the roster is either genderless or gender neutral) that there's enough where gender isn't a concern when choosing a character.
Like 'Lucina should get in over Chrom because she's a girl' isn't a valid argument whereas 'Dixie should get in over K Rool because she's more currently relevant' is.
We're in a very different position to the Brawl character select screen having 3 females.
Snake's bazooka, Wolf's howl, Lucas' rope snake
I was really hoping for a Chrom and Lucina combo, but I feel like the best I can hope for now is a Lucina alt for Marth.
DisconnectD
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Seems like since it can be used as a buffer, it will be great for zoning because you can down b for a phantom then spam Din's fire, which may or not be super powerful now when sweetspotting the core. We will see, but inevitably she will be better since she is her own character now. Same with Power suit Samus & Sheik. Those transformations were holding them back.
We know PSS has a faster firing/charging charge shot and that her UpSmash kills now when it didn't before.
We know Zelda has the Phantom for defense and offense & some kind of Din's buff, so with Nauru and a buffed Din's, it seems to round her zoning package out nicely.
ZSS is still fast and now more powerful as evidenced by the direct and she has a multi hit recovery and tether
Sheik has another projectile, seems fast as ever and a ridiculous edgeguard in the form of bouncing fish down B so it goes without saying she is better.
My point is that there is no way around them turning out more powerful than in Brawl (same for Charizard) since they being separately fleshed out fighters now.
Regulus Tera
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That would be less than ten female characters out of a roster of forty more or less, and that's counting Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Jigglypuff, and assuming Villager gets a female alt.
edit: I guess Nana counts too.
foxuzamaki
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Almost every character in smash clearly has a gender. The only one that's gender neutral is.......is.......well nobody, even mr. game and watch has mr.in his name.
On second thought rob is gender neutral, but thats because he isnt a living organism to begin with.
I heart Lucina so much. I honestly would be 100% happy with Lucina being a straight-up clone of Marth. Just make her lighter, weaker, faster... and allow me to play with the mask, and without the mask with her hair down. (If I have to choose, unmasked with her hair down, no doubt)
Tidus_Great
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Uncle0wnage
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Well, if Miis get in there will be an infinite amount of female characters, so it really isn't an issue.
Most of the pokemon are genderless.
Technically, Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard and Greninja could all be female. Mewtwo is genderless (should he return).
theprodigy
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Benzychenz
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ROB is genderless and all the Pokemon are gender neutral, and maybe Yoshi, are they a species of all males? >_>
That's still less than a fifth of the roster. Eight females on the character select isn't really a big difference from three, in my opinion. The issue is that even when you split Samus and Zelda into two characters each, they don't represent any 'more' female characters in the game than they ever did before. It's like adding one and one to both sides of an equation. The distinction is kind of meaningless.
astrogamer
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Actually, Pikachu is male as of Brawl. because of the barely used gender differences introduced in Pokemon Diamond & Pearl. Female Pikachus have the end of the tail heart shaped
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