Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

Smash bros is going to sell millions, .

It is , thats it. There is no argument there, and if there is stop, smash bros. "Bu-but the wii u and... " SMASH BROTHERS! :/

It just isn't going to save an entire console. Directly anyway.

I think Mario kart has a better chance at that, epically with the mario kart channel and the uploading thing.

Though, people can't monitize, so i guess that would stop a lot of top Youtube people from playing it.
 
Village said:
Smash bros is going to sell millions.

It is , thats it. There is no argument there, and if there is stop, smash bros.

It just isn't going to save an entire console. Directly anyway.

I think Mario kart has a better chance at that, epically with the mario kart channel and the uploading thing.

Though, people can't monitize, so i guess that would stop a lot of top Youtube people from playing it.
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2 million isn't really millions. Like I guess it technically is, but it's really not all that significant. Certainly not enough for Madcatz to race out to make the Tournament Gamepad or whatever

There'd be a case for a Gamecube controller if Nintendo said they were releasing Gamecube games on virtual console, but I don't think Nintendo will do that because you'd have to buy a gamecube controller to play them lol.
Maybe on the WiiU's successor.

jwhit28 said:
Isn't this a problem 3rd party's should solve? I wouldn't expect a GC controller for Wii U unless Madcatz goes to Nintendo and makes it happen.
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Which would probably be a bad business decision on their part considering it's the WiiU.
 
Isn't this a problem 3rd party's should solve? I wouldn't expect a GC controller for Wii U unless Madcatz goes to Nintendo and makes it happen.
 
Beelzebufo said:
I think millions is even an overestimate. Even the most successful WiiU games have only sold a few million, and Smash wasn't exactly the most successful game on wii. I guarantee you less people would buy the Gamecube controller, because there's a much smaller install base.

That controller would end up being pretty expensive. Nobody is gonna drop that kind of money so that they can play on a 3rd party Gamecube knockoff. Especially for things like Wind Waker HD lol.

Seriously, you're just blatantly making stuff up at this point.
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You're seriously underestimating how much that controller would sell, not to mention that many, yes many, Smash players buy multiple controllers throughout its life.
 
Beelzebufo said:
I think millions is even an overestimate. Even the most successful WiiU games have only sold a few million, and Smash wasn't exactly the most successful game on wii. I guarantee you less people would buy the Gamecube controller, because there's a much smaller install base.

That controller would end up being pretty expensive. Nobody is gonna drop that kind of money so that they can play on a 3rd party Gamecube knockoff. Especially for things like Wind Waker HD lol.

Seriously, you're just blatantly making stuff up at this point.
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You can say the exact same thing about the Killer Instinct arcade stick. Who would buy a $499 console with a $199 controller? To play one fighting game that was never really all that popular?

Evidently, enough people that the thing exists. I don't think a $50 Wii U Pro Controller + that is shaped like a GC controller is as ridiculous an idea as you are making it sound.

Wii was an anomaly. The audience that bought all of those Wii ___ and Just Dance games are gone, as we can already see by the god awful performance of the Wii ____ games on Wii U. The audience that ballooned Mario Kart and NSMB sales to ridiculous numbers are gone as well. Smash will be the best selling game on the Wii U, like it was on the Gamecube. Maybe a close second to Mario Kart, but no lower.
 
Anth0ny said:
You can say the exact same thing about the Killer Instinct arcade stick. Who would buy a $499 console with a $199 controller? To play one fighting game that was never really all that popular?

Evidently, enough people that the thing exists. I don't think a $50 Wii U Pro Controller + that is shaped like a GC controller is as ridiculous an idea as you are making it sound.

Wii was an anomaly. The audience that bought all of those Wii ___ and Just Dance games are gone, as we can already see by the god awful performance of the Wii ____ games on Wii U. The audience that ballooned Mario Kart and NSMB sales to ridiculous numbers are gone as well. Smash will be the best selling game on the Wii U, like it was on the Gamecube. Maybe a close second to Mario Kart, but no lower.
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The killer instinct arcade stick exists because it's for a system that's had a fight stick market in the past. It's not a comparable situation.

And the thing is though, "the best selling game on the WiiU" is like 2 million. That's not impressive enough, I don't think it would be worth the risk for someone like Madcatz. Especially since most people who play smash don't care about gamecube controllers.
 
Baron von Loathsome said:
Hell, I'm pretty sure Ivysaur is supposed to be female.
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Source?

The only Pokémon in Smash that have a confirmed gender are Mewtwo (not having one) & Pikachu (Male, as of Brawl, due to gender differences introduced in the Gen IV Pokémon games).

Lucario is a weird case.
Although Lucario's "voice" is quite masculine...
Lucario isn't technically speaking, but is actually projecting it's thoughts and that could just be how the Pokémon thinks.
 
PikaED said:
Source?.
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I don't have anything to cite, I'm afraid, but for starters, Ivysaur's Japanese voice is female.

The other thing is that, apparently, if you look down into Ivysaur's bulb, you'll see a seed. In the Pokemon games, Ivysaur does not have a visible gender, but Venusaur does; female Venusaur have a similar-looking seed poking out of the the middle of their flower.
 
PikaED said:
Source?

The only Pokémon in Smash that have a confirmed gender are Mewtwo (not having one) & Pikachu (Male, as of Brawl, due to gender differences introduced in the Gen IV Pokémon games).

Lucario is a weird case.
Although Lucario's "voice" is quite masculine...
Lucario isn't technically speaking, but is actually projecting it's thoughts and that could just be how the Pokémon thinks.
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I would like a female lucario voice option.

Gotta be laura bailey doe.
 
Baron von Loathsome said:
I don't have anything to cite, I'm afraid, but for starters, Ivysaur's Japanese voice is female.

The other thing is that, apparently, if you look down into Ivysaur's bulb, you'll see a seed. In the Pokemon games, Ivysaur does not have a visible gender, but Venusaur does; female Venusaur have a similar-looking seed poking out of the the middle of their flower.
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Pikachu's voice is female, but all the Pikachu (Am I using the right plural?) in Smash are male.

All male Ivysaur have their seeds in their bulbs too, right?
Male Ivysaur would still be identical to female Ivysaur, regardless of post-evolution changes.

Javier said:
I haven't followed the news much as of late, but have the Palutena 3DS screens been proven fake? I've seen people on other sites claiming they were.
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Supposedly, someone (on 4chan) posted that they made the image and posted this as proof.
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As you may be able to tell, there are a few differences between this image and the Off-Sceen leak.
It is still being debated whether the leak is real or not.
 
PikaED said:
Pikachu's voice is female, but all the Pikachu (Am I using the right plural?) in Smash are male.

All male Ivysaur have their bulbs too, right?
Male Ivysaur would still be identical to female Ivysaur, regardless of post-evolution changes.
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He wasn't talking about bulbs, he was talking about something else.
 
I haven't followed the news much as of late, but have the Palutena 3DS screens been proven fake? I've seen people on other sites claiming they were.
 
Javier said:
I haven't followed the news much as of late, but have the Palutena 3DS screens been proven fake? I've seen people on other sites claiming they were.
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No. Someone faked a pic which was supposed to proof the original Palutena pics being faked though. Fun times :D
 
Javier said:
I haven't followed the news much as of late, but have the Palutena 3DS screens been proven fake? I've seen people on other sites claiming they were.
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Not in the slightest. It is in the same league as the new Project Beast screenshots. If there were 2 more with her in different poses, no one would be doubting it.

And another person trapped in a hopeless argument with Beelzebufoon. When will people learn.
 
Karsticles said:
Not in the slightest. It is in the same league as the new Project Beast screenshots. If there were 2 more with her in different poses, no one would be doubting it.

And another person trapped in a hopeless argument with Beelzebufoon. When will people learn.
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That's actually a pretty clever nickname, but it hardly applies in this case. I'm sorry if I don't let people get away with posting nonsense.
 
Beelzebufo said:
The killer instinct arcade stick exists because it's for a system that's had a fight stick market in the past. It's not a comparable situation.

And the thing is though, "the best selling game on the WiiU" is like 2 million. That's not impressive enough, I don't think it would be worth the risk for someone like Madcatz. Especially since most people who play smash don't care about gamecube controllers.
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This can't be real life.. it just can't be. What risk is there compared to the other stuff that's put out? The arcade stick comparison is valid for the mere fact that way more people will purchase a Gamecube Wii U controller for a smaller install base than a several hundred dollar arcade stick with a larger install base.

How is this conversation even a thing? How can one seriously suggest that making a Gamecube Wii U controller would be a bad investment compared to all the other trash we get from 3rd party controllers?

I don't even. To each his/her own I guess ;b
 
Beelzebufo said:
I think millions is even an overestimate. Even the most successful WiiU games have only sold a few million, and Smash wasn't exactly the most successful game on wii.
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...In what world is Brawl's sales "not exactly successful"?

And even if it wasn't the best selling game on Wii, that's hardly saying anything at all.
 
Spring-Loaded said:
Wii Fit Trainer was a complete surprise to everyone except for the one insider who posted here before the reveal. Dillon had a small, yet noticeable fandom rallying for him to make it in. I'd bet that if anyone had to choose which was more likely to be playable in a Smash Bros. they'd pick Dillon because his game actually had some semblance of combat in it while Wii Fit is... Wii Fit.

It's crazy. It's not bad, it's not wrong, it's just crazy/unexpected/out-of-left-field/Etc. Playable characters apparently aren't chosen based on popularity or displays of conventional fighting prowess. It's surprising when a hardly anyone thought of as a possibility gets picked and another character that fights in their game becomes an item. don't know why anyone would act that that isn't at all unexpected or jarring.

Wii Fit representation in the game isn't surprising. Having the Wii Fit Trainer be playable is very surprising, no one expected that. Both characters are old enough to have made it into this upcoming game in some form, so if there's a cut-off date for characters that could've made it in, they both existed before it. I can't speak on Greninja since I haven't followed Pokemon; if that's a starter or legendary pokemon, or was popular in the anime, then I could see how it'd manage to make it in. This statement isn't based on any evidence that any one character had to compete with another in order to be playable, yet WFT still made it into the roster while Dillon didn't.

Dillon would be a much more conventional and expected choice for a playable character than WFT. Dillon also certainly had more people who actively wanted him to be a playable character than those that wanted a playable WFT because no one even conceived the possibility of a playable Wii Fit character. WFT is an unexpected addition, but not in the same retro way as G&W or R.O.B. Duck Hunt Dog would be more comparable than past "strange" roster additions, a non-playable side character who's never engaged in a fight.

Never said Dillon's Rolling Western is more popular than Wii Fit. Never said Dillon should be in over WFT. Not even complaining about it. Still, this all makes it hard to figure out how playable characters are chosen since there's seemingly no discernible metric. Does that make sense?
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Ahh you were going for surprise/left-field. I get it then.
 
Beelzebufo said:
That's actually a pretty clever nickname, but it hardly applies in this case. I'm sorry if I don't let people get away with posting nonsense.
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I like you, but most of the time, you seem argumentative for the sake of being so. I only say this because I am the same way and it really annoys people. Sometimes it's best to just .. let it go. It's also tactless to refer to other's opinions as "nonsense" as I'm sure you could come up with a better word for it that is a little less hyperbolic. Anyway. Just thought I'd share my thoughts on the matter. Carry on.
 
Slate Soda said:
...In what world is Brawl's sales "not exactly successful"?

And even if it wasn't the best selling game on Wii, that's hardly saying anything at all.
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I never said that, I don't know why there are quotes there. It wasn't the best selling game on the Wii, and the games that did better than it had their sequels tank on WiiU. The point is that it's stupid to assume that Smash will sell really well on WiiU, when nothing has been selling well on WiiU.

DisconnectD said:
I like you, but most of the time, you seem argumentative for the sake of being so. I only say this because I am the same way and it really annoys people. Sometimes it's best to just .. let it go. It's also tactless to refer to other's opinions as "nonsense" as I'm sure you could come up with a better word for it that is a little less hyperbolic. Anyway. Just thought I'd share my thoughts on the matter. Carry on.
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Thanks, I appreciate it! I ignore things most of the time, but that was actually a pretty good name.
 
Anth0ny said:
Absolutely yes. The last Smash game sold 10 million copies. There is a huge Smash community out there that would be willing to buy this product, and I'm not just talking about the competitive Smash scene. Considering some of the shit out there that gets green lit, I think a Gamecube controller for Wii U (or at least an adapter) is completely realistic.
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There actually is an adapter already for $15

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BS520SG/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I have one and it works great, except you need to put some extra emphasis on pressing the start button for it to execute. Will probably pick up a second one for my other Gamecube controller by the time Smash is out
 
raigeki11 said:
There actually is an adapter already for $15

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BS520SG/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I have one and it works great, except you need to put some extra emphasis on pressing the start button for it to execute. Will probably pick up a second one for my other Gamecube controller by the time Smash is out
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So no noticeable lag? At all? I figured a wired controller being plugged into a wireless controller would apply some sort of buffer between inputs atleast.
 
Baron von Loathsome said:
He said "not exactly the most successful."

Still, Smash is a series that has consistently sold extremely well. Smash will probably sell well enough to be a system-seller on some scale.
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I want to live in a world where almost 12Mil are "noth exactly the most successful". That's still the most sucessful game on the system behind NSMBWii, MKWii and Wii Fit.
 
DisconnectD said:
So no noticeable lag? At all? I figured a wired controller being plugged into a wireless controller would apply some sort of buffer between inputs atleast.
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Yeah you would think but I haven't experienced any lag with it, aside from the start button like I mentioned but that doesn't interfere with matches. The system just interprets it as a classic controller and it runs smoothly like it was plugged straight into the system
 
Smash does pretty consistently well no matter the system. It sold to, like, half the Gamecube base which is pretty fucking crazy and only one-tenth of the Wii base which is also crazy in a different way (despite being similar numbers).

This time has too many factors to predict. Will the Wii U do any better (no), how will splitting up the game affect it, does the online actually work, will the hardware get a price drop, is it bundled, how does interoperability work and can they leverage the 3DS version for the Wii U one, will it be a game that doesn't drive console says but is picked up with consoles along the way until it crawls to a decent number, etc.

Guessing on total lifetime sales, it will be 4-5 million for Smash U and 5-6 for 3DS, worldwide.
 
Beelzebufo said:
The last Smash game was on Wii, this one is on WiiU. That's a huge difference, if you think Smash 5 will come even close to those numbers, you're a crazy person. Same goes if you think a significant fraction of the people who buy it need to play with a gamecube controller. It's one thing to make a cheap adapter that causes slight lag (like they already have), but it's completely different to manufacture a different controller. You're kidding yourself.

It's also worth mentioning that a few WiiU games have avoided using Classic Controller support, so you would need to make a completely new controller anyway. It couldn't just be an adapter.
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The flaw in your argument is that you assume Nintendo will not make the effort because they might only sell a few thousand controllers. Nerf makes cases for the Wii u gamepad. A smash controller is not that crazy. You're the one who's kidding yourself, arrogantly too.
 
Beelzebufo said:
That's actually a pretty clever nickname, but it hardly applies in this case. I'm sorry if I don't let people get away with posting nonsense.
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I don't see it as nonsense. Look at the math.

Even if by your (what I would call very low) estimates put the game at 2 million sold (Smash is constantly in an upward sales trend however no matter the number of consoles). At 2 million sold, that'd be say half potential buyers of up to 4 controllers.

$40 million is nothing to scoff at.
 
Guise, obviously no one is going to bother making a special fightpad/stick for Smash because Smash ain't a fighting game and doesn't deserve fancy special controllers.
 
Guys, if two retro characters were chosen, how would you decide it?

Very obscure
Unique
Has a following/popular
Having recent things for it. Ex: Takamaru - Nintendo Land
Japan/US-Only

If I was to choose, i'd go with Takamaru and Mike Jones. Just to go with one being of Japan only, while the other is US only, to compliment one another for the audience. In being, who the heck that? But yeah, how would you go at it?
 
Literally every game series ever that uses a gamepad has had to change controllers at some point. I don't see what the big deal is. So you have to learn a new controller, oh no, how horrible.

Even Smash had to transition from the N64 controller to the Gamecube controller early on. I transitioned just fine then, and I'm sure I'll be able to do it again. Give it a few months and you won't even notice the difference.
 
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