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[BattleMonkey]

Oh, yep. They got fucked. Why would they agree to this?

To not lose the license? They likely had no choice, either make that deal or lose spidey all together.

Seeing how big other comic book movies have gotten, they likely just wanted to push out quick their own new Spiderman movies to try and cash in and hopefully the growth in super hero films would make up for lost merch revenue. See how quick they put out ASM2 after the first one? And before that already making plans to pump out 2 side films?

 

[Dabanton]

I hope Sony's masterplan is not to just pump out Venom and Carnage movies.

I enjoyed ASM2 but a third part will have to raise it's game considerably.

 

[jtb]

Spiderman is/was Sony's biggest tentpole franchise, by far. if they feel that their strength is making the movies and would rather consolidate that strength, then why not make that deal? the only problem is that the reboot probably hasn't performed anywhere near as strong as they thought it would (especially compared to how huge the Raimi films were).

 

[Heshinsi]

I see a Sony financial report said they received $278m for the merchandising rights.

So weird, that seems really short-sighted. Plus it's just an odd message, like you're not even betting on your own product.

Reading that forum post, I don't think I would have done any differently. If Marvel, and by extension Disney, had 50% of those merchandising rights and they were threatening to pull the toys off the shelf if Sony didn't play ball, I don't think you can blame Sony for wanting to be done with that noose.

 

[LFMartins86]

I hope Sony's masterplan is not to just pump out Venom and Carnage movies.

I enjoyed ASM2 but a third part will have to raise it's game considerably.

They are doing a Sinister Six movie next.

 

[vatstep]

The stupid-looking visual effects turn me off from Neighbors every time I see them in a commercial/trailer. I'll probably see it eventually, but I'm in no rush to see it in a theatre.

 

[Penguin]

I see a Sony financial report said they received $278m for the merchandising rights.

So weird, that seems really short-sighted. Plus it's just an odd message, like you're not even betting on your own product.

I guess Sony is really in need of any cash they could get.

 

[Road]

Captain America: The Winter Soldier closing in $700 million:

Domestic: $244,997,000 35.2%
+ Foreign: $450,600,000 64.8%
= Worldwide: $695,597,000

-------------------------

4th weekend foreign:

TASM: $385 million
TASM2: $403 million

The sequel pulls ahead, mainly thanks to China: after one week already at $54 million.
The first one opened there on its 10th foreign weekend and finished with only $49 million.

2nd weekend domestic:

TASM: $201 million
TASM2: $148 million

11 days domestic:

TASM: $160 million
TASM2: $148 million

Complicated comparison since the reboot only had one weekend after 11 days.

Let's be generous. Going by days, balance so far: + $18 million foreign - $12 million domestic = $6 million positive.

 

[Ridley327]

Oh, yep. They got fucked. Why would they agree to this?

The original licensing agreement for Spider-Man was for six films, after which Marvel got the rights back and could do with it what it would. This deal also gave them the rights to the film with the same perpetuity agreement that's already in place at Fox for X-Men and Fantastic Four, so there's less they have to worry about in that regard. Since Spider-Man is the only major thing that Sony has for a blockbuster franchise that doesn't rely heavily on star power (like Men in Black), the thinking was having Spider-Man all to themselves would be the best route to go.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Spidey 2

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $147,900,000 26.8%
+ Foreign: $403,000,000 73.2%
= Worldwide: $550,900,000

 

[MIMIC]

The stupid-looking visual effects turn me off from Neighbors every time I see them in a commercial/trailer. I'll probably see it eventually, but I'm in no rush to see it in a theatre.

OMG this! That ball in the face/air bag scene makes me cringe.

 

[broncobuster]

Hard numbers would be great, but from the impressions I've read it seems like Disney basically bamboozled Sony and Spider-Man, which makes sense when you look at the status of these two companies in the past few years. In any case Sony will make money from Spider-Man but it will be interesting to see what its future will be like

I started reading about the Spidey deal just in the past week but here's one poster's impression from another forum for what it's worth:

Huh, so that's why Spectacular Spider-Man was cancelled?

 

[thehypocrite]

Spidey 2

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $147,900,000 26.8%
+ Foreign: $403,000,000 73.2%
= Worldwide: $550,900,000

Yeah, Sony must be crying themselves to sleep.

 

[mreddie]

Overseas have been bailing out a lot movies that don't make insane money in the US. At least Sony has to rethink their Spidey strategy with 3 films in 6 years with Orci/Kurtman doing all of them.

 

[numble]

The original licensing agreement for Spider-Man was for six films, after which Marvel got the rights back and could do with it what it would. This deal also gave them the rights to the film with the same perpetuity agreement that's already in place at Fox for X-Men and Fantastic Four, so there's less they have to worry about in that regard. Since Spider-Man is the only major thing that Sony has for a blockbuster franchise that doesn't rely heavily on star power (like Men in Black), the thinking was having Spider-Man all to themselves would be the best route to go.

Nope. Disney gave up 5% profits in the movies for the full animation and merchandise rights. They did not agree to perpetuity for a measly $280 million. Perpetuity was already in place.

 

[javac]

Wonder how Godzilla is going to do. Very excited to see that.

 

[xaosslug]

world wide chard added

 

[DarkFlow]

The original licensing agreement for Spider-Man was for six films, after which Marvel got the rights back and could do with it what it would. This deal also gave them the rights to the film with the same perpetuity agreement that's already in place at Fox for X-Men and Fantastic Four, so there's less they have to worry about in that regard. Since Spider-Man is the only major thing that Sony has for a blockbuster franchise that doesn't rely heavily on star power (like Men in Black), the thinking was having Spider-Man all to themselves would be the best route to go.

There's no way in hell that Disney gave them perpetual rights for 278m.

 

[Dabanton]

They are doing a Sinister Six movie next.

With the suits from the end of ASM2?

 

[spwolf]

It is, but the domestic take is definitely reason to pause for a moment. Realistically, they should have taken this weekend and drop it to Godzilla in the next, but to get so thoroughly trounced like this after one week? There can't be that many happy people right now.

59% drop was predicated last week... around 57% is the usual number for superhero movies, so nothing new, within expectations.

It is doing really well in some non-western markets especially though, it will easily to more than old movie internationally.

I wish they had some way of comedies like Neighbours working well in those non-western markets. I prefer Seth Rogen comedy to any super hero movie, and I wish we had more of those vs super hero's everywhere. Most of US centric comedies do barely any numbers except for non-europe, non-NA markets.

 

[SillyEskimo]

I saw Captain America 2 for the second time this weekend and it was surprisingly busy.

Spiderman's domestic total isn't amazing, but worldwide it's doing great.

Next 3 weeks = Godzilla, X-Men, Edge of Tomorrow

Both Cap and Spidey will drop further and faster.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I saw Captain America 2 for the second time this weekend and it was surprisingly busy.

Same here. Auditorium was about half full on Friday night. I was very surprised.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Neighbors

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $51,070,000 59.8%
+ Foreign: $34,400,000 40.2%
= Worldwide: $85,470,000

Production Budget: $18 million

Making money and defeating spiders.

 

[Dan]

The stupid-looking visual effects turn me off from Neighbors every time I see them in a commercial/trailer. I'll probably see it eventually, but I'm in no rush to see it in a theatre.

Those moments are fucking terrible, and I cringed seeing some reviews state they were the best gags. If true, *barf*.

I'll rent it because I love Rose Byrne, and it sounds like they let her have some fun here.

 

[Smellycat]

Spiderman 2 is doing just fine guys. Did you even check the WW totals?

Those moments are fucking terrible, and I cringed seeing some reviews state they were the best gags. If true, *barf*.

I'll rent it because I love Rose Byrne, and it sounds like they let her have some fun here.

They are actually pretty great. Totally unexpected and hilarious.

 

[SpeedySwaf]

Overseas have been bailing out a lot movies that don't make insane money in the US. At least Sony has to rethink their Spidey strategy with 3 films in 6 years with Orci/Kurtman doing all of them.

The way things are, it's the only way for these blockbusters to be profitable now (barring merchandise and the like). $100 million budgets used to be a rarity, but they now seem the standard for these blockbusters. Even adjusted for inflation, the most expensive movies are being produced post-2000, and can't rely on the domestic alone anymore.

 

[And_Gignac]

Yeah, Sony must be crying themselves to sleep.

Well, they should. $550m is yet not enough to make for production costs. And lets not even talk about marketing spending.

 

[Dan]

They are actually pretty great. Totally unexpected and hilarious.

The ones in the commercials are so viscerally unrealistic and exaggerated that they make me angry... so I have my doubts.

 

[kswiston]

4th weekend foreign:

TASM: $385 million
TASM2: $403 million

The sequel pulls ahead, mainly thanks to China: after one week already at $54 million.
The first one opened there on its 10th foreign weekend and finished with only $49 million.

2nd weekend domestic:

TASM: $201 million
TASM2: $148 million

11 days domestic:

TASM: $160 million
TASM2: $148 million

Complicated comparison since the reboot only had one weekend after 11 days.

Let's be generous. Going by days, balance so far: + $18 million foreign - $12 million domestic = $6 million positive.

Amazing Spider-man 1 didn't get its Chinese opening until the end of August, while ASM2 has opened in every market. Even though the sequel is indeed doing much better in China, the foreign lead is a bit misleading.

 

[Dares]

So we are in store for many more mediocre/bad Spidermans.

 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Spiderman 2 is doing just fine guys. Did you even check the WW totals?

But what did the movie need to make back in box office numbers to be considered a profitable venture?

With a $225M production budget and a $190M marketing budget, and I've been told that domestically studios get back something like $0.50 on the dollar, and maybe it's similar overseas, except in China where it's closer to $0.20 on the dollar (or so I've been told). So assuming Sony has to also make back it's entire budgeting market, that would mean they need to make back $415M ($225+$190) x2 = $830M just to break even.
Now that does not sound right to me, and even with the production budget and half the marketing budget means they would need $640M WW minimum to break even.

But I'm curious, from those that know how all this works, how much does Spider-Man need to make to be considered successful?

 

[Ridley327]

Nope. Disney gave up 5% profits in the movies for the full animation and merchandise rights. They did not agree to perpetuity for a measly $280 million. Perpetuity was already in place.

Sorry if I was regurgitating faulty information, but when was the agreement for the perpetuity arrangement made then?

 

[FullMetalx117]

Sony doesn't have anything left...

 

[kswiston]

Sorry if I was regurgitating faulty information, but when was the agreement for the perpetuity arrangement made then?

Marvel made that agreement back when they were in Chapter 11 bankruptcy in either 1999 or 2000. In retrospect, it was a stupid deal, but they had no choice.

 

[ЯAW]

So we are in store for many more mediocre/bad Spidermans.

Can't wait for the reboot!

 

[immortal-joe]

Neighbors using those publicity bits on Zac Efron's shirtless scenes to bring in the ladies was fucking genius.

Those Spidey global numbers make perfect sense. On a global scale, franchise fatigue takes a long time to really set in.

 

[Dead Prince]

Sony doesn't have anything left...

vita.

 

[Heshinsi]

Well, they should. $550m is yet not enough to make for production costs. And lets not even talk about marketing spending.

It's been one week. You're acting like that number is the whole run. Lest people need some reminding, only TWO Marvel films have ever out grossed a Spidey movie in world wide gross; the Avengers and Iron Man 3. Captain America has been out since the first week of April and is now at $700 million. Let's see where Spider-man is at in a month time.

 

[StoopKid]

Well, they should. $550m is yet not enough to make for production costs. And lets not even talk about marketing spending.

Huh ?

what he said ^

 

[Heshinsi]

But what did the movie need to make back in box office numbers to be considered a profitable venture?

With a $225M production budget and a $190M marketing budget, and I've been told that domestically studios get back something like $0.50 on the dollar, and maybe it's similar overseas, except in China where it's closer to $0.20 on the dollar (or so I've been told). So assuming Sony has to also make back it's entire budgeting market, that would mean they need to make back $415M ($225+$190) x2 = $830M just to break even.
Now that does not sound right to me, and even with the production budget and half the marketing budget means they would need $640M WW minimum to break even.

But I'm curious, from those that know how all this works, how much does Spider-Man need to make to be considered successful?

Isn't a lot of these numbers studios use a bunch of fluff? I recall a Harry potter film where WB stated they made no profit on the movie, in fact they said they lost over $160 million on it. Each Harry Potter movie made at least $800 million at the box office, and the franchise average is about $950 a pop in gross. Which makes WB statement not make any sense.

http://www.slashfilm.com/insane-stu...er-harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix/

 

[Dai101]

Isn't a lot of these numbers studios use a bunch of fluff? I recall a Harry potter film where WB stated they made no profit on the movie, in fact they said they lost over $160 million on it. Each Harry Potter movie made at least $800 million at the box office, and the franchise average is about $950 a pop in gross. Which makes WB statement not make any sense.

http://www.slashfilm.com/insane-stu...er-harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix/

Well, that has more to do with "Holywood Accounting" than anything

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/HollywoodAccounting

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Isn't a lot of these numbers studios use a bunch of fluff? I recall a Harry potter film where WB stated they made no profit on the movie, in fact they said they lost over $160 million on it. Each Harry Potter movie made at least $800 million at the box office, and the franchise average is about $950 a pop in gross. Which makes WB statement not make any sense.

http://www.slashfilm.com/insane-stu...er-harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix/

that expense accounting sure is something

 

[Heshinsi]

Well, that has more to do with "Holywood Accounting" than anything

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/HollywoodAccounting

That's what I mean though. The CG work on this Spider-man movie is done in house right? Couldn't Sony be doing something similar by "charging" themselves a high price to play with the numbers?

 

[Toa TAK]

The stupid-looking visual effects turn me off from Neighbors every time I see them in a commercial/trailer. I'll probably see it eventually, but I'm in no rush to see it in a theatre.

There's only a couple of instances where those effects actually happen.

 

[numble]

That's what I mean though. The CG work on this Spider-man movie is done in house right? Couldn't Sony be doing something similar by "charging" themselves a high price to play with the numbers?

That, and your prior image, would only come into play in calculating royalties for somebody contracted to receive a share of the royalties. The back of the hand calculations for actual profit are still relevant (like only getting 25% of revenue in China), and don't have to do with the type of accounting you're alluding to.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

That Oz movie, lol. My local theater has had a cardboard stand for months. Every time I've gone there, I've looked at that thing and wondered just how badly it was going to flop. Seems the answer was, pretty badly.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

...and Arad seriously believes that a cross-over movie featuring Spidey would have to have him as the main character?
lol, idiot.
It's 10 day release is tracking behind Cap America 2, let's not even mention IM3 or Avengers.

 

[Heshinsi]

That, and your prior image, would only come into play in calculating royalties for somebody contracted to receive a share of the royalties. The back of the hand calculations for actual profit are still relevant (like only getting 25% of revenue in China), and don't have to do with the type of accounting you're alluding to.

I see. So the accounting stuff come into play after the studio have taken in their cut of the box office total?

 

[numble]

I see. So the accounting stuff come into play after the studio have taken in their cut of the box office total?

No, you can make a calculation of profit based on gross and costs on your own. The "Hollywood accounting" is the way they make sure they keep the money to themselves and not pay it to others.

A comparable example are companies reporting large profits publicly, and publishing those nice revenue/expense/profit figures, but their tax returns look entirely different are filled with deductions and extra expenses and fees so that the taxes are a lot lower.

 

[SillyEskimo]

Can't wait for the reboot!

Count on another 40 minutes of back story explaining that he acquired his powers by getting bitten by a radioactive spider rounded out by a montage of him learning to use his new found abilities(after several wacky and awkward mistakes, of course!).

Batman = Dead parents, we know!

Superman = Baby launched to earth from doomed planet, we know!

Seriously, skip this shit in the reboots.