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[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

"Read the line after that (hell, read the rest of the paragraph)... I was saying as a warning of sorts -- more to emphasize the fact that he may as well wait for the next revision (which is fast approaching and should be out before the fall line-up anyway.)

...realistically, what would he gain by re-buying a 360 now? Being able to play NG2 as soon as it drops?"


That's such backwards logic. Just because there is supposed to be a better board doesn't make the falcon the worst board made yet and it sure doesn't mean that the first two boards were better. Sure it may be more advantageous if he wishes to wait to get the newer board but making shit up about how falcon is the worse board is just ridiculous.

 

[Nif]

I think he meant he's had more problems with the falcon than the other three. And I actually agree about waiting. Unless there's something you want to play right now, it's probably smarter to wait until the price drop. It's hard to tell with Microsoft, though. They've had plenty of chances to drop the price and haven't, but after April NPDs, I don't think they can wait much longer.

 

[-Rogue5-]

"Read the line after that (hell, read the rest of the paragraph)... I was saying as a warning of sorts -- more to emphasize the fact that he may as well wait for the next revision (which is fast approaching and should be out before the fall line-up anyway.)

...realistically, what would he gain by re-buying a 360 now? Being able to play NG2 as soon as it drops?"


That's such backwards logic. Just because there is supposed to be a better board doesn't make the falcon the worst board made yet and it sure doesn't mean that the first two boards were better. Sure it may be more advantageous if he wishes to wait to get the newer board but making shit up about how falcon is the worse board is just ridiculous.

So you're saying that making shit up about the falcon being hands-down the best board (essentially saying it's gonna be as good as or better than its upcoming successors), is better than assuming that the first two revisions were just as good/bad as the falcon? How many Falcons are even out there? 5% of the 20million 360s sold? 10%? In any case, it's MUCH lower than the amount of originals and zephyrs, and because we don't know the exact failure rate of any revision, it's stupid to assume things have changed when there are still quite a few reports that the falcons have also succumb to textbook examples of the RRoD.

He asked if the Falcons are RRoD-free (or really close to it.) I told him that in my experience they're worse. Even if they're better, the fact that people have experienced the same RRoD issues means one thing -- it's still there. Whether or not it is prevalent can not be determined regardless. Period. HENCE my recommendation is to wait.

 

[RSTEIN]

The DVD drive always craps out in mine. Happened with my last 360, happening with this one now (3rd one). Disc randomly stops spinning, and then the 360 wonders why the disc is unreadable.

Even if they do fix the overheating issues, it seems like all sorts of different problems keep popping up anyway.

Same issue here. Crapped out on me during a Gears match. Doh!

 

[Nif]

So you're saying that making shit up about the falcon being the best board (essentially saying it's gonna be as good as or better than its upcoming predecessors) , means that the first two were automatically worse? How many Falcons are even out there? 5% of the 20million 360s sold? 10%? In any case, it's MUCH lower than the amount of originals and zephyrs, and because we don't know the exact failure rate of any revision, it's stupid to assume things have changed when there are still quite a few reports that the falcons have also succumb to textbook examples of the RRoD.

He asked if the Falcons are RRoD-free (or really close to it.) I told him that in my experience they're worse. Even if they're better, the fact that people have experienced the same RRoD issues means one thing -- it's still there. Whether or not it is prevalent can not be determined. Period. HENCE my recommendation is to wait.

Wait, what? :lol Did you have a falcon die on you or not?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

"So you're saying that making shit up about the falcon being the best board (essentially saying it's gonna be as good as or better than its upcoming predecessors) , means that the first two were automatically worse? How many Falcons are even out there? 5% of the 20million 360s sold? 10%? In any case, it's MUCH lower than the amount of originals and zephyrs, and because we don't know the exact failure rate of any revision, it's stupid to assume things have changed when there are still quite a few reports that the falcons have also succumb to textbook examples of the RRoD.

He asked if the Falcons are RRoD-free (or really close to it.) I told him that in my experience they're worse. Even if they're better, the fact that people have experienced the same RRoD issues means one thing -- it's still there. Whether or not it is prevalent can not be determined. Period. HENCE my recommendation is to wait."



First off, what are upcoming predecessors? Secondly, by your logic then you can never gauge any revision if it is better because there will never be enough in the mainstream to prove a point. If the number is significantly significantly lower it becomes pretty safe to assume the revisions are getting better. Thirdly, when I asked what you mean by its the worse you told me to learn how to read the rest of the paragraph,

"Yeah, I realize that's anecdotal and that generally speaking the newer systems are less likely to RRoD, but if you have to buy a new system for full price I'd just wait for the redesign/revision coming in August or whatever...plus there are rumours of a price drop due to April's numbers sucking ass, so you may as well wait... At the very least you'll save some money (on something you already paid for) and/or be another revision away from the RRoD.

ALSO, I know it's common sense, but go Arcade if you already got the HDD...or not. I dunno."

Instead of trying to making some smart ass put together coherent sentences. What's the point in you saying falcons are definately worse when by your own claim when you say such claims can never be proven or determined?

 

[-Rogue5-]

"Instead of trying to making some smart ass put together coherent sentences. What's the point in you saying falcons are definately worse when by your own claim when you say such claims can never be proven or determined?

Yeah, re-read what I wrote -- I didn't say they are definitely worse... I said in my experience they are worse. My falcon was not only the quickest system of the three revisions that have died on me, but it was also the most completely destroyed (it doesn't do anything anymore, whereas the others could be revived from time to time, or just suffered from constant freezing rather than full-blown failure).

You're trying to prove that the falcons are much better with no evidence (personal, anecdotal or otherwise). I'm saying that I've had first-hand experience with falcons failing via RRoD. Out of the two points of view, only mine can be proven.

So again, the bottom line is, yes, Falcons still RRoD. Whether it's more or less than previous revisions really can't be proven (although it can be assumed), so in my opinion, it wouldn't hurt to wait for the next revision or at least a price drop.

Edit: I meant successor, not predecessor. And by successor, I mean the rumoured 360 redesign/revision coming in August.

Edit2: And yeah, there are still DRE issues that have affected every revision, but (FOR ME) those have been much less common than the RRoD (which is what the OP was asking).

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

"You're trying to prove that the falcons are much better with no evidence (personal, anecdotal or otherwise). I'm saying that I've had first-hand experience with falcons failing via RRoD. Out of the two points of view, only mine can be proven.

So again, the bottom line, yes, Falcons still RRoD. Whether it's more or less than previous revisions really can't be proven (although it can be assumed), so in my opinion, it wouldn't hurt to wait for the next revision or at least a price drop.

edit: I meant successor, not predecessor."


Again, you keep switching back and forth about whether you can tell or not to fit your argument. So, your view is now proven over mine because you said your's died? Should I have listed all the people I know who have falcons who haven't had any problems to counteract your point? The whole concept is obsurd, fine you had problems with your falcon but don't start making baseless generalizations to further your point.

 

[-Rogue5-]

Again, you keep switching back and forth about whether you can tell or not to fit your argument. So, your view is now proven over mine because you said your's died? Should I have listed all the people I know who have falcons who haven't had any problems to counteract your point? The whole concept is obsurd, fine you had problems with your falcon but don't start making baseless generalizations to further your point.

Alright, I'll try and make it clearer for you. Falcons RRoD for sure. That is a fact based on my own experience. Even if mine is the only Falcon to ever fail via RRoD in the world, the fact that it has is proof that falcons do RRoD. Can you agree to that?

OKAY. Now with that in mind we should neither assume that Falcons fail more or less than the original or Zephyr revisions because we don't have that info at our disposal. So in that respect, that point (the amount of failures) is what we can't prove either way on any revision. So objectively it's beside the point.

With that in mind, I personally recommend that the OP wait for the next revision/redesign if only in the hopes that it'll be at a reduced cost or, ideally, have fixed the RRoD 100% completely. Why does my person opinion matter? Because that's what the OP was asking for. You could come in here and say you've never seen a Falcon fail, so you think it's bulletproof. And though I know you're wrong (because mine failed and others' have failed as well), the OP was asking for the forums opinion, so that's what you gave him. The difference is that I wouldn't start claiming that your opinion is "wrong" or that you're "generalizing", like you're claiming I'm doing.

 

[TheKurgan]

I think the 360 will always RROD. It's probably better now than at launch but still far from perfect. That being said I don't think it's that big of a deal. MS warranty has been pretty good for me - my 360 RROD (it's happened twice so far) I send it in and get a repaired one back 2 or 3 weeks later. Not great, but I am glad MS accepts the problem and replaces the console without much hassle.

I bought a PS3 in part to help fill in those weeks when and I am without XBL...

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

"Alright, I'll try and make it clearer for you. Falcons RRoD for sure. That is a fact based on my own experience. Even if mine is the only Falcon to ever fail via RRoD in the world, the fact that it has is proof that falcons do RRoD. Can you agree to that?

OKAY. Now with that in mind we should neither assume that Falcons fail more or less than the original or Zephyr revisions because we don't have that info at our disposal. So in that respect, that point (the amount of failures) is what we can't prove either way on any revision.

With that in mind, I personally recommend that the OP wait for the next revision/redesign if only in the hopes that it'll be at a reduced cost or, ideally, have fixed the RRoD 100% completely. Why does my person opinion matter? Because that's what the OP was asking for. You could come in here and say you've never seen a Falcon fail, so you think it's bulletproof. And though I know you're wrong (because mine failed and others' have failed as well), the OP was asking for the forums opinion, so that's what you gave him. The difference is that I wouldn't start claiming that your opinion is "wrong" or that you're "generalizing", like you're claiming I'm doing."


I'm done, I never said they never rrod that would be impossible. No matter what they do unless they remove the capability of the system displaying that symbol there will always be at least one rrod. My problem was with points other than what you are switching the argument to, your making a big deal out of things I never argued now.

 

[Stahsky]

Same here. I almost wish that it would RROD just so I can get a unit that is quieter! It's a beast when trying to watch movies quietly at like 1 or 2am.

Yeah, my launch console is trucking along still. Loud as fuck, though.

 

[Osuwari]

my bro has a 360 that says 203W on the sticker but has the HDMI port.

is it a safe one?

 

[jowa]

my bro has a 360 that says 203W on the sticker but has the HDMI port.

is it a safe one?

Hard to say. My 360 has an HDMI port and was manufactured on 09/21/07 but it's still not a Falcon (I could tell it by looking at the inside). Some of the Falcon models have 203w stickers or even 203w power bricks though.

 

[dreamer3kx]

My last 2 360's have lasted more than the other 4 combined. I would say they are way more reliable now.

six 360's? This is truly pathetic, I understand there getting better but six? I want to pick one up too but this post makes me very nervous.

 

[TwIsTeD]

whats sad is i have a falcon elite hooked up as my primary and my falcon pro is boxed when not in use at my gfs house (we stopped playing rock band :lol ) so i have 1 on backup..... but i will use my warranty to get a jasper pro when they become available

honestly though the new falcons really are more reliable and its a pretty decent time to "jump in"

oh and i have had 5 pros

 

[Kai Ozu]

Hell yes.

 

[Darkener2]

My brother got the Arcade a couple of weeks ago (since I had still had my old 20GB HDD and gave it to him...) I guess I'll find out if it will crap out like my did (launch system), twice... XD

 

[luxarific]

so what store has the best warranty? i could buy a costco membership for 50 bucks, i've heard target has a good policy, what do you guys think?

Costo: no-wait, same day non-time-limited replacement or return (just keep your receipt and all packaging materials/cables/disks).

Target: 90 day standard return policy. You can purchase an extended service plan that lasts for three years, but you won't get a new replacement until they've tried to fix your machine three times. Presumably this also means that they will send your machine in for repair so there will be some wait time.

If it were me, I'd buy from Costco, and then some place like Best Buy, instead of Target, since (from what I understand) the former will give you a new box under their extended warranty w/o having to go through the three repair attempts nonsense.

 

[luxarific]

meaning if you take it to Costco to be repaired under your Costco warenty then MS won't honor the 3 year warrenty any more. The best thing to do would be to get a replacement plan that actually replaces said console rather than repairs your old one, that way not only can you send it back to MS anytime it gets a RROD but everytime you replace it your covered for another three years from MS...

No. Costco won't repair your broken console - they will replace it if they have stock in the warehouse or they'll refund your money. And you don't have to buy a separate replacement plan/extended warranty - they will replace/refund with out time limit (as long as you keep packaging materials/all disks/cables/etc.).