I agree with pretty much everything you said, I'm all for them being in, especially with (IMO) RosalinaX leak being false. I could see us having a roster around the 50-52 characters in the end. Though we still have that boss thing for Ridley, if he's not shown at E3 being playable I'll probably throw the towel.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, I'm all for them being in, especially with (IMO) RosalinaX leak being false. I could see us having a roster around the 50-52 characters in the end. Though we still have that boss thing for Ridley, if he's not shown at E3 being playable I'll probably throw the towel.
Pic of the day. You can choose to play as the girl villager too!! How lovely.
Hoo boy, tumblr won't be happy. Nintendo is actively promoting abusive relationships in SSB4.
Just look at the brown-haired female Villager. Notice the smeared make-up under her eyes (Don't fall for Nintendo's deception - those aren't eyelashes, that's just what Ninty WANTS you to believe) and that fake smile and forced posture? She's recently been crying and still totally crushed.
"But why would she cry?" you may ask. Well...look at her eyes. Specifically...look who she's looking at...Villager #6
"But KHlover" you might say, "we have no proof that he actually hit her !!1!1!!"
Well...
Do these eyes...
Look like eyes of someone who who wouldn't beat a girl to you?
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Look at how close he stands to Female Villager #2. He got in bed with her and when Female Villager #1 caught them inflagranti he smacked her up. Now she's afraid he'll do it again. And we all know he will, probably millions of times before the game sinks into obscurity. Monster. MONSTER
BassForever
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Expected but awesome none the less
The Bankslammer
Member
out of curiosity why have people never counted pikachu and jigglypuff (and pichu) as having "alts"
i mean, they're not drastic or based on anything in particular, but it shows that there's never been an unwillingness to add model swaps
i mean, they're not drastic or based on anything in particular, but it shows that there's never been an unwillingness to add model swaps
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I can finally play how I feel.
Exotoro
Member
Alt hype.
Who was that poster who was just talking about "no alts because something something Project M poison people's minds" again? The timing on that and this update is a bit too good.
there you go lol
Red Arremer
Member
I dunno, I don't think adding small details like hats to be an actual alt costume. The thing is with Pikachu, Jigglypuff and the likes that all the alternate colors are just yellow/pink with slight tints. That would be really difficult to make out so they add little hats on top to make em easier to distinguish. It's not like the model changes significantly (like an actual swap of gender such as Villager and Wii Fit Trainer) or the clothing changes significantly (like with the 2 Wario costumes).
Very nice.
Pic of the day. You can choose to play as the girl villager too!! How lovely.
Alt hype.
Who was that poster who was just talking about "no alts because something something Project M poison people's minds" again? The timing on that and this update is a bit too good.
Bit of a difference between obvious alts like female villagers and pipe dreams.
Mr. Smiley
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Yup, I'd love more alts but honestly only expect what we already have + Wario. Good DLC opportunity though.
Do these eyes...
Monster. MONSTER
What's that Villager? You want me to kill everybody?
PhoenixDawn
Member
I still find it so unnerving how all of the villagers look like serial killers in the context of SSB4 when they seemed so normal in AC. That said, I absolutely love the direction they took the character and hope they continue to push this side of them, haha.
NeonZ
Member
Wireframe Mac is an obvious choice? I really don't see a scenario where Mac receives an alternate costume (even if it's mostly a glorified texture swap) based on a single appearance that wasn't even meant to be him originally and bigger characters don't. Back in Brawl, Wario's costume update immediately also revealed that he was the only one with an alternate costume. If there weren't any more, not revealing so would just bring negativity later.
Wireframe Mac is just an alternate color. There are absolutely zero changes made to the model's geometry -- and that's sort of necessary for an alternate costume to truly be an alternate costume. Replacing his skin texture with a green mesh has really thrown people for a loop.
I'm 99% positive this will be the extent of the game's "true" alternate costumes:
Wario
WarioWare (6 color schemes)
Wario Land (6 color schemes)
Villager
Boy (6 shirt design/face/hair combinations)
Girl (6 dress design/face/hair combination)
Wii Fit Trainer
Female (6 color schemes)
Male (6 color schemes)
Wireframe Mac is no different than Ness' Mr. Saturn shirt, and there are a lot of higher effort individual costumes like Pikachu's hats or Sonic's wristbands. Nothing about Wireframe Mac stands out as being in the same league as Wario/Villager/WFT.
Neoriceisgood
Member
"Texture/Pallete swap" alts would make sense for the handful of characters that have texture swaps that make sense, that's a very different agument to make than expecting characters to have genuine alternative costumes on the level of WFT/Villager/Wario.
Villagers:
See here's the thing, in a lot of poster's minds and their avid "dedication to being right", there's a lot in here that tends to get shit on and it's really fucking annoying. How anyone could actively hope against alts or content in general so that it can fit their agendas better is beyond me.
FWIW, I would honestly be surprised if everyone got alts, but I definitely support cast wide alts. I also don't believe we'd get alts that changed models dramatically (if that's what everyone's talking out against when they mention alts, then I'm sorry and I agree).
tonyh24613
Member
So that #6 Villager is doing a taunt, or he just finished using his slingshot? Maybe we'll have four taunt per character this time.
Neoriceisgood
Member
When I'm speaking out against "alts" there's two things I dislike:
1. "characters" as alts.
I'm lukewarm on palette swaps that technically represent a character like dark pit/blood falcon, but I think it'd be ridiculous to outright have a genuine unique char just take up a slot within another character.
I actually had no problems with melee's clones as additional content, but make them seperate roster slots, not alts.
2.Obscure/needless Alts that drastically change a model.
The significant changes to villager/WFT/Wario make sense as none of them really have a primary appearance (even wario's primary appearance is debatable due to his Warioware suit being so significant within his own series). When people expect "obscure link armor x" as an alternative suit that looks nothing like you'd expect from a regular understanding of Link as character, that just feels messy to me.
(Good examples being that "dark queen" Peach alt in project M.)
I'd personally be in favor of "primary appearance alts" that are mostly texture swaps/minor modifications, say ... OoT Link?
The default Villager is doing one of his idle animations, so the #6 Villager could still be doing a taunt.
NeonZ
Member
Except that in spite of the effort, or lack of effort, in his creation, Wireframe Mac seems to be promoted alongside the other costumes, not as alternate colors, which still aren't appearing in promo material for the game.
Also, Wireframe Mac still has a completely new texture covering most of his body, not just color changes or some minor extra emblem or detail pasted onto the model, unlike the color changes. It easily seems set up to have color changes of its own.
And I still stand that the approach you're talking about makes no sense considering Brawl's, where we were told about there only being a single alternate costume as soon as Wario's was revealed. So far, nothing has been said about them being limited or restricted to a few lucky characters.
Wreck-It Ralph
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I think #6 Villager is in part of his up tilt animation, which is his stick.
NeonZ
Member
That'd clash with the team mode colors though. There isn't even a villager wearing blue in that shot.
Tathanen
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If, and that's a BIG if, other characters have alts, I'm positive they won't be anything like Fox->Falco or Olimar->Alph. Judging from what we've seen so far, the alts don't actually change the character, they're just alternate appearances for that character. If the name on the victory screen, the battle chant, or the announcer's voice would have to change, that alt idea would be a no-go.
No changes to hitboxes/size will be allowed either I'm sure (Sakurai made a point of that with WFT), which rules out things like WW/TP Ganondorf swapping.
No changes to hitboxes/size will be allowed either I'm sure (Sakurai made a point of that with WFT), which rules out things like WW/TP Ganondorf swapping.
Totally agreed with #1, I get kinda livid when people suggest that space animals or Mother kids should just be one character and bunch of "high functioning alt costumes" simply because [insert dumb reasons like "too clone despite sharing only a cosmetic similarity in normals or specials", "muh relevance", "better characters need that slot"]. The play styles, fan bases and player loyalties are established and people still want to go down this route and I've just about lost any patience for figuring out why anyone wants such a jarring thing to happen.
It's dumb. Stop suggesting it.
#2 though, I'm a bit more loose about. When we talk model swapping, I was thinking things more along the lines of what I described in my logic agreeing with your #1. Dark Queen Peach (well as far as I understand) isn't anything more than a few texture swaps at the most. Stuff like that, Dr. Mario, Mr. L and the like (talking about P:M for now) are great and have a place in the game for highlighting moments in the 30+ year history of Nintendo gaming that might only require that much for someone to go "that's cool as fuck". What's more,, since Smash acts as a massive interactive museum for all things Nintendo, obscurity shouldn't be a negative at all. Quite the opposite actually.
Full model swaps are better for characters who've reached mainstream levels of publicity and also come in A and B variants normally. I'd love to see something like Male/Female Robin happen and the precedents for something like that are already in place with Villager, WFT, and Miis most assuredly whenever they're revealed.
SoapyLemons
Neo Member
Hoo boy, tumblr won't be happy. Nintendo is actively promoting abusive relationships in SSB4.
Just look at the brown-haired female Villager. Notice the smeared make-up under her eyes (Don't fall for Nintendo's deception - those aren't eyelashes, that's just what Ninty WANTS you to believe) and that fake smile and forced posture? She's recently been crying and still totally crushed.
"But why would she cry?" you may ask. Well...look at her eyes. Specifically...look who she's looking at...Villager #6
"But KHlover" you might say, "we have no proof that he actually hit her !!1!1!!"
Well...
Do these eyes...
Look like eyes of someone who who wouldn't beat a girl to you?
.
.
.
Look at how close he stands to Female Villager #2. He got in bed with her and when Female Villager #1 caught them inflagranti he smacked her up. Now she's afraid he'll do it again. And we all know he will, probably millions of times before the game sinks into obscurity. Monster. MONSTER
I swear to the fucking gods if the Tumblr feminists bitch about this...
Monster. MONSTER
YOUR HIDE WILL MAKE A FINE PONCHO
powerdrain
Member
I'm not a 100% against the idea of alts but I'm really not a fan of the idea. It doesn't harm me in any way but most GAFers I see on here get really excited speculating about it and I don't want you guys to be set up for disappointment because there's valid reasons, which have already been rehashed and put better than I could already on here as to why it's improbable.
It can happen, but I don't see them adding anything other than Wario's alternate going forward. I'm very surprised with how far they've gone with the multiple expressions and hair styles for the Villager but for characters with actual names and iconic defaults I don't think we'll see anything outside of recolours.
Also, "poisoning". Lol I wouldn't say that - that's a bit strong, but I would say Project M has played a part in selling the idea to Smash fans who want it.
Biggest update, information-wise, since the direct, I think.
Not only did we learn there's female alt, but alts have different hairstyles/face in addition to palette/texture swaps. Good to know.
What other characters can benefit from *TEXTURE* swaps (not new character models/details or palette swaps)?
Obviously anyone who wears a t-shirt, like Ness.
I think ZSS could make her zero suit look like it did in past iterations. Can easily be done with texture swaps. Ignoring her hair, you could easily do these with textures:
I'd love toon link's pajamas, but that's more than a texture swap to get rid of his belt/hat, so that's out.
Not only did we learn there's female alt, but alts have different hairstyles/face in addition to palette/texture swaps. Good to know.
What other characters can benefit from *TEXTURE* swaps (not new character models/details or palette swaps)?
Obviously anyone who wears a t-shirt, like Ness.
I think ZSS could make her zero suit look like it did in past iterations. Can easily be done with texture swaps. Ignoring her hair, you could easily do these with textures:
Don't know how good the cloth > skin transition would look if it's just a texture, but it's doable.
I'd love toon link's pajamas, but that's more than a texture swap to get rid of his belt/hat, so that's out.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Fully agreed on the full model swaps for mii/Robin, it just makes sense as either incarnation is technically as important. (especially for Mii)
My issue with swaps like "dark queen peach" is that a lot of costumes like that fall sorta between the "different char as alt" stupidity and "oh it's just the same char in a new outfit" one.
If I played as dr.mario I'd rather like if he was actually called dr.mario and his fireballs had the same visuals as pills. Just slapping the costume on mario isn't enough for the homage to feel "solid" to me, if that makes sense?
Now I like wireframe mac because, some technicalities aside, he's quite literally meant to be "just mac/the boxer" without any powerups or gameplay alterations that wouldn't work on an alt suit.
Most alts that I could *appreciate* that'd be on the same level as wireframe mac/the various villagers/WFTers can be outright done as character swaps without any alterations to moves, specials effects or "character name".
"Dr.Mario" called Mario that shoots fireballs would feel off to me, I wouldn't enjoy that.
He could go all out and have the dr mario alt costume do pills/sound effects, assuming it's possible within the engine they created. Even sakurai said that Dr. Mario with fireballs would be weird. I agree. So if you can't go all out on the alt costume, don't do it at all, or make them a clone.
Dr. Buni
Member
People belittling the work of feminists in some of the previous posts (like KHlover's) is really annoying. Tsc.
Yes, lets give her an alt skin showing most of her body naked... because there isn't already enough creepy fanart of Samus in Smash Bros.
PadWarrior
Member
I want the Mario cast to get their strikers uniforms as alts.
Mr. Smiley
Member
So, using P:M as an example, Mario with his doc costume, shooting pills, sound effects and all but still called "Mario" would be bothersome to you?
Neoriceisgood
Member
Yeah exactly, do it right or don't do it is how I feel.
If it came down to just the name but all effects were changed? That'd be a cool alt.
I think if they're gonna go that far throwing in that little alternative announcement for the name would be a cherry on top.
Who wouldn't want Ghirahim in Smash Bros?
With a tongue like that, he could be a Greninja clone