Shadow Hog
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That may be, but I think he was talking about the overall game, not just the music.
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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Gunstarheroes
Member
I know, i was just basically using it as an excuse to post it haha
sixteen-bit
Member
Exactly, there'es this YT review that covers how I feel pretty well about the sequels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQnL9wsTPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P03wAfrA2AU
I like both versions. Genesis says fast paced action, SNES says setting out on an adventure.
Both seem like they are worth owning though.
sixteen-bit
Member
Good luck. It's actually kinda hard to find.
MikeHattsu
Member
Guys please help me. I'm trying to buy stuff on rakuten, and some games are labelled [smtb-u]. Do you have any idea what it could mean? google doesn't help me on this one
The smtb part seems to be something about free shipping (Sōryō Muryō TaBu).
PixyJunket
Member
Does the Sega CD not boot to game? Mine always goes to the disc menu.
Anyway, I bought a disc-only copy of Lunar and have been playing it since Sunday.
I haven't had this much of a nostalgia punch in a long time. I've revisited most of my childhood favorites at some point, but this one always eluded me. Actually, I've tried to play the PS1 version several times and always walked away annoyed. But this version is making me so happy.
Anyway, I bought a disc-only copy of Lunar and have been playing it since Sunday.
I haven't had this much of a nostalgia punch in a long time. I've revisited most of my childhood favorites at some point, but this one always eluded me. Actually, I've tried to play the PS1 version several times and always walked away annoyed. But this version is making me so happy.
IrishNinja
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^it's such a great game, i must've played through it 4 or 5 times & always wanna revisit it
PixyJunket
Member
It's strange, I did not own a Sega as a kid, it was my best friend's. But I must have played Lunar A LOT. After almost twenty years or so, I can still recite the dialog and I recall pretty much all of the music once it starts. It's also so snappy, I'm getting to play an hour a night during the week and I still feel like I'm making progress.
Shadow Hog
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My experience is that it boots to the BIOS with the Sega and Sega CD logos floating around whatever your region's BIOS's background is (there are several variations; I have a Model 2 Sega CD, so it's the one that plays this funky little ditty), no matter what, as it reads the disc. If it's a valid game, it'll just tell you to hit a button, and you're off; if it's anything else, or you hit a certain button (I think it's A?), you're shunted off to the CD player instead (also several variations; mine looks like this).
IrishNinja
Member
major plot changes, specifically about the antagonist's motives
Damn..that sounds pretty drastic.
A Black Falcon
Member
Also the PS1/Saturn version has no battles in the overworld (you just move around with no opposition), completely redesigned overworlds and dungeons, visible enemies in the dungeons/zoomed-in field areas (and more of these to make up for the missing overworld battles, I think), there are now some simple puzzles in some dungeons but dungeon layouts have been made simpler (less mazelike than on Sega CD), Luna joins your party up until the point where she gets kidnapped (that happens at the same time, though), there's a bit more fanservice, more cutscenes and voice acting, and probably more. Lunar for PS1/Saturn isn't a port, it's a remake. I like the Lunar 1 remake better than the SCD version; playable Luna is a particularly nice addition. Having no battles in the overworld is unfortunate, and the dungeons definitely aren't as complex, but I really do like the additions. And at least the PS1/Saturn dungeons have some complexity; the GBA and PSP remakes simplify things even more. The PSP one goes way too far in that regard, I think... it brings back the original battle system (the GBA version removed it in favor of a generic "two lines of people attack eachother" thing), though, which is good.
Lunar 2 for PS1/Saturn keeps most of Lunar 1's changes, but it's a bit less different from SCD Lunar 2 because the plot hasn't been changed much; there are some minor changes, but nothing as big as the first game. Also SCD Lunar 2 actually has MORE cutscenes than the remake, though the remake makes time to add a second bath scene just because. I like the visible enemies, but otherwise the Sega CD version is better. Gameplay-wise the changes are pretty much the same as the first game, of course -- it's got a bit less dungeon complexity and no overworld battles, but great visible enemies and some puzzles. The story changes in the remake are minor, but they kind of mess up Lucia a bit, which was annoying. Still, I know it might be being inconsistent to like the first one better on PS1/Saturn and the second better on Sega CD, but I do. It's probably because I clearly prefer the opening section in the first games' PS1/Saturn version to the original, while there's no part of the second game like that.
Oh well that doesnt sound as bad if you dont currently have access to the SCD games. I'll probably go after them one day.
IrishNinja
Member
say what now? ive had this on my shelf since its launch man, don't do this to me
That makes sense, I suppose. It's just strange to have [smtb-u] for some games and not others, for a similar price and same form factor (same seller of course).
Didn't Lunar 2 SCD retconned Lunar 1 massively? I heard this was why the PS1 edition of Lunar 1 was altered so drastically, so it could fit in the timeline.
A Black Falcon
Member
It's Warlords (a knockoff of the classic Atari game) with Lunar characters. Pretty fun, actually.
I forgot to mention that the GBA and PSP versions, in addition to the major changes I mentioned, also remove the overworlds entirely and replace it with a menu where you just select the next place you want to go. (Also of course the GBA has stills instead of cutscenes, but it's the GBA.)
That may be true, I forget the details though... I've not played the SCD version of the original as much as I have the PS1 or GBA versions. On SCD I much prefer playing the second game...
IrishNinja
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how so? i played both versions & never saw anything inconsistent in the masterpiece that is 2.
I'm not sure lol, this is just something I read somewhere while researching the differences between the SCD and complete versions.
Insert the Making of Lunar CD and when the video starts press Up, Down, Left, Right, Triangle, Start
If you ever played Warlords (the block breaking game) it's that. Except with some Lunar characters.
PixyJunket
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The biggest turd in the PS1 Lunar is how molasses slow the battles have become. I guess they didn't feel at home as a PS1 JRPG without plodding, glacial pacing, so the battle system was forced to run at about one sixth the speed of the Sega CD version.
"Hey, this game was only twenty hours long and that was before we decided to cut and simplify most of its contents."
"We can't have that after Final Fantasy VII, Lord God of all Video Games Ever."
"Well how do we bump up our numbers?"
"......I've got an idea."
The music is also trash.
I would suggest to anyone interested in the series to grab the Sega CD version (it's not too pricey). Once you've played it, check out the PS1 animation scenes, because those are pretty sweet.
"Hey, this game was only twenty hours long and that was before we decided to cut and simplify most of its contents."
"We can't have that after Final Fantasy VII, Lord God of all Video Games Ever."
"Well how do we bump up our numbers?"
"......I've got an idea."
The music is also trash.
I would suggest to anyone interested in the series to grab the Sega CD version (it's not too pricey). Once you've played it, check out the PS1 animation scenes, because those are pretty sweet.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I just got a really good offer for a complete copy of Spider-Man: Web Of Fire. Oh god, someone stop me. At the same time, if i get this, i only have Virtua Fighter, Toughman Contest, Star Trek, and BC Racers left to get...
sixteen-bit
Member
The game sucks.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I knoooooooooooooow. I doubt i ever get another chance to nab it at basically half the price of a normal CIB copy though.
Plus, i've been working on a big Spider-Man video between Smash TV and Curse, so i mean, i'd have them all after getting that.
sixteen-bit
Member
Fine then don't listen to me and do what makes you happy.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Get it, or you'll regret it. You know you want it, and you'll have it at some point. Better have it now with a good deal than later with an expensive impulse buy. And if you reaaaaaally regret it afterwards, you can still part with it and make profit, if that deal is as good as you make it sound.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Its 250 complete with Reg Card. Though if i was to sell it, i'd likely pass it on to another collector at a good deal too. I'd feel crummy selling the thing for a big profit when this guy is parting with it specifically to help a fellow dude out.
Also, it can't be as bad as Brutal. That is easily the worst 32x game by a long mile.
Also, it can't be as bad as Brutal. That is easily the worst 32x game by a long mile.
$250? Damn. [edit] ffs it's over 130 cartridge only on eBay! I don't want this game.
Here is my want list for the 32X (I don't even have it yet). Am I missing something really obvious? I try to stick to good-ish, original or superior versions, etc.
Knuckle's Chaotix
Kolibri
NBA Jam TE (I heard it was almost the same as the MD version. I may go for the cheapest option if it is.)
Star Wars Arcade
Tempo
Virtua Fighter (How does it compare to the terrible Saturn port?)
Virtua Racing Deluxe
Welp, pretty short list. I have Blackthorne and Doom on MS-DOS, Brutal (lol sorry) and Pitfall are on Mega-CD, After burner and Space Harrier are on my 3DS. I think Mortal Kombat 2 is superseded by UMK3 on Saturn. I may consider them all if they are very
cheap.
How's Cosmic Carnage? It looks great at least.
Here is my want list for the 32X (I don't even have it yet). Am I missing something really obvious? I try to stick to good-ish, original or superior versions, etc.
Knuckle's Chaotix
Kolibri
NBA Jam TE (I heard it was almost the same as the MD version. I may go for the cheapest option if it is.)
Star Wars Arcade
Tempo
Virtua Fighter (How does it compare to the terrible Saturn port?)
Virtua Racing Deluxe
Welp, pretty short list. I have Blackthorne and Doom on MS-DOS, Brutal (lol sorry) and Pitfall are on Mega-CD, After burner and Space Harrier are on my 3DS. I think Mortal Kombat 2 is superseded by UMK3 on Saturn. I may consider them all if they are very
very
How's Cosmic Carnage? It looks great at least.
IrishNinja
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haha, it's true...i hated that trend of slowing down battles too. maybe that's why they let loading times ruin Chrono Trigger on PSX...
and i didn't notice the music as much on my shitty TV in the day, but a friend pointed it out recently and you're right, the beautiful OST is totally subdued on the PSX version for reasons ill never understand.
good list, i dug a bit of Shadow Squadron, and yeah, VF (just got it but havent played it yet) reviewed favorably in the day compared to the rush-job that was the saturn launch game. i have all the games on your want list and they're cool, i think NBA Jam TE is more faithful on the saturn but most of those games i got for like $5 at shops/forums/etc, except Kolibri & Chaotix which i sniped on ebay.
Cosmic Carnage is a hot mess, but i had to get it since Mark from CGR adores it so. if you're like me and spent too much of your childhood fighting friends in terrible games like Pit Fighter, Heavy Nova etc it's...more of that, haha.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Metal Head is pretty cheap and impressive for the time. Otherwise, yeah, basically that stuff, and even that stuff isn't all that spectacular.
The pricey part is getting a Sega CD
I still want a model 1 just because they look cool, but I can never seen to snag any model for a decent price.You have S&K too right? That's the only way to play Sonic 3.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
A couple nice pickups this week. Now I have all the Sonics for Genesis.
Nice. Man, they don't make covers like that anymore.
So pretty.A couple nice pickups this week. Now I have all the Sonics for Genesis.
Nice essentials.
thechristoph
Sir!
I got Web of Fire in box in a big 32X bundle a couple years ago without even knowing it was rare. I paid like 65 bucks for a 32X and 12 games or so, Web of Fire included. The box looked like someone sat on it though, so I threw it away when I was cleaning out my closet. Oops.
The game is hot garbage and I'm never going to play it again.
Tempo is street trash. Avoid.
Star Wars not only sounds like crap, it's not as smooth or as fun as Shadow Squadron, but different strokes.
I really like Blackthorne so I think it's worth checking out, but I don't know how it measures up to the DOS version.
Doom is worth it as a curiosity. It's inferior to the DOS original, but it's just so weird that a 32X version exists that I have it. I accidentally bought it twice, actually.
After Burner and Space Harrier are Sega classics, I think they're pretty much essential, but I get your point.
Mortal Kombat 2 and MK3 are completely different, stylistically and in gameplay. It's also a really cool version.
The game is hot garbage and I'm never going to play it again.
Tempo is street trash. Avoid.
Star Wars not only sounds like crap, it's not as smooth or as fun as Shadow Squadron, but different strokes.
I really like Blackthorne so I think it's worth checking out, but I don't know how it measures up to the DOS version.
Doom is worth it as a curiosity. It's inferior to the DOS original, but it's just so weird that a 32X version exists that I have it. I accidentally bought it twice, actually.
After Burner and Space Harrier are Sega classics, I think they're pretty much essential, but I get your point.
Mortal Kombat 2 and MK3 are completely different, stylistically and in gameplay. It's also a really cool version.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Man, how did this thread end up in the community section? I've only been in here like... twice, ever, cuz I couldn't find it.
I know. It almost feels like a blatant act of predjudice agaist the megadrive being the only retro thread in community.
I think it's because we're so close. We're more like a community than the retro gamers of other consoles. <3
PixyJunket
Member
I don't even think it was the same music, it was all new stuff.
IrishNinja
Member
for real, i know im biased but pro-nintendo/anti-sega shit is real man; check the other retro threads and tell me which you've seen get community'd
shit's too real for gaming side
Bar81
Member
Just a straight up dick move by some mods.
sixteen-bit
Member
That's what the subscription feature is for.