It's 7.4 all and 7.5 top where I'm at, which is the exact same score that Winter Soldier has. Metacritic also has it higher than Winter Soldier. Are you saying that's an average movie now and the reviews for that weren't positive? Either way reviews don't matter at the end of the day.
X-Men: Days of Future Past |OT| aka The Last Stand aka First Class 2 aka Wolverine 6
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It's 7.4 all and 7.5 top where I'm at, which is the exact same score that Winter Soldier has. Metacritic also has it higher than Winter Soldier. Are you saying that's an average movie now and the reviews for that weren't positive? Either way reviews don't matter at the end of the day.
...and you've said your piece. Like Sculli said yesterday, agree to disagree. You don't need to keep splitting hairs and trying to derail the thread. You haven't even seen the film, and there are definitely people in here who have that disagree with your position.
crimsonspider89
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How long has CA2 been out btw? I will wait.
Also I loved X2, and enjoyed The Wolverine.
But focusing on the same three characters is stupid in the long run.
They're not though. Everything has a point and a purpose. X-men stories have always focused on a smaller group, while using the larger cast as a means to show either different perspectives or simply to make the world feel larger and create a real sense of there being all sorts of different mutants everywhere.
I could talk a lot about what worked well and why it worked well, but most of that would require spoiling all the movie beats if you want to debate detail. The problem is, you haven't even seen the movie, so what's the point of arguing about it with you? If you're really interested in talking something being good or bad, you should at least have the perspective of what you're talking about.
You can either watch the movie and have a serious discussion about it, or you can simply decide that you won't enjoy the movie and choose not to watch it. No one is stopping you. But to stick around to argue with people who HAVE seen the movie, trying to argue about stuff based on what you read "in reviews", is really stupid as fuck. Just saying.
Amentallica
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This is what I like to hear. This. Fucking this.
Affeinvasion
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It would be pretty hard considering the continuity in the X-Men movies isn't really based on anything happening in the comics. There's probably a re-release of Days of Future Past as a TPB out now, though. They do tend to do that even if it's only really the same in title or "inspiration."
crimsonspider89
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Not true at all. Even the x-comics that focused on one character gave some characters some moments and tried to develop the character, particularly the x-writer who defined the x-men.
Also read the complete synopsis, several reviews, as an informed person should. Saying someone should have to see a movie giving them money to confirm what is being told to them through various sources is...idiotic. To use your term. To be an informed consumer is stupid as fuck? Because that is what I am doing. I am sorry but are my critiques wrong? Do the characters outside of the main four have anything significant besides quick power display?
You can just anwser that:yes or no. No spoilers.
What does that matter? It's not as if reviews really keep coming in after a movie has been released.
Himynameischris
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If I can't find anyone to go with me on Saturday I'm just going alone,
Affeinvasion
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Well not from professionals...
Oh, there is no stigma going solo like some people would like to believe.
I just prefer going to the earlier showings if that ends up being the case.
crimsonspider89
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Actually, yes they do. Reviews for movies continues for a period after release.
Why MoS dropped from 60% area to below 60 in the time between Thor 2 and now.
In fact, Ducky thinks the opposite is true.
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I bolded the most relevant bit. Not seeing the movie if you don't think you'd like it is a smart decision! The idiotic bit is engaging in impassioned arguments with people that have seen it, when you haven't.
Amentallica
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God damn do you hate it when people like something you don't. See the fucking movie.
I don't think X1 is a great film, but it's put together far better than First Class was. The Wolverine I thought had better direction and structure as well.
First Class was an interesting experiment, but felt like an amateur film with atrocious pacing. That being said, it's the worst of the best X-Men films, which is good.
It's not though. If you have read the comics then you should know that it's an essential part of the plot. They need extensive characters to pull the situation off. To give the situation a sense of gravity. But in a 2 hours movie, you can't possibly give every single one of them an extensive storyline. It's the same with "Avengers". The filmmakers have to trust that viewers have seen previous films, have formed some kind of attachment to those characters to the point that their brief presence in this film will matter to the viewers. As for the new characters, well, they are added to emphasize the severity of the situation and to make it believable that this affects all mutants in the universe.
Why not give the movie a chance? I mean what else can you possibly do now? You can boycott the movie, of course, but what would it do? Nothing. It'll be profitable because many people are interested to see the X universe being presented in this scale.
crimsonspider89
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Actually what I want is people to say I am wrong. Since I am a HUGE x-fan.
If I was wrong, people would say so.
That complaint about the cast is what actually is preventing me from seeing the movie.
That is all there is to it.
I can stomach the Pietro change, the bad costume designs but the cast issue is what is preventing me from seeing the movie.
Avengers everyone outside of Hawkeye had similar time and actually had lines and a role in the plot outside of cool power though. And I said the movie should of been split up with the large cast it has.
Into two parts. And the cast issue is something Fox is panicking because Stewart/Mckellan are getting up there and Jackman is getting up there as well. When this movie would of been the perfect opportunity to build a new leading cast.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I've just realised I have seen zero toys for the X-Men films in the past few years. Last time I saw any, they were for Origins.
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you reading the responses to your posts?
Take your shit to twitter where it belongs. Lucky for you, Bryan Singer even has an account there if you want to go straight to the source. I hear he's not responding as often these days, but it's not like you're listening either way.
Mengy
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WAIT, Crimson hasn't even seen the movie yet? Then WTF is he talking about? Is he just dissing it based on other people's opinions???
Messypandas
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crimsonspider89
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Then say I am wrong. Send me a PM with examples of how I am wrong. Shit. Not that hard.
Himynameischris
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Oh I know, I've been to movies alone before, it's never bothered me
Pai Pai Master
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Does Fox even care about toy sales? Obviously it was big for Sony and Spider-Man, but all that money's going to Marvel now.
And yeah...I'm in the same boat as a lot of MCU fans and I'm not happy with how Fox has treated the X-Men property since X2, but I'm gonna reserve judgment here until I actually see the movie. I was definitely still on the fence until the reviews and impressions hit this week and now I'm really looking forward to seeing it for myself.
ViewtifulJC
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I think most X-fans have come to terms with these movies focusing on 3-4 people with most of the other mutants being glorified cameos and cool usage of their powers. Like, Storm is one of my favorite characters, but she's been lame in every single movie. I hear she has about 40 words of dialog in this one.
Kitty Pryde, love that character too, here she's a glorified plot device who holds on to Wolverine's face.
I mean, you just kinda roll with it.
Kitty Pryde, love that character too, here she's a glorified plot device who holds on to Wolverine's face.
I mean, you just kinda roll with it.
shira
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What do they call you? "Wheels"? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Sounds like a line from Buffy or Angel, so I blame it on Whedon.
What plot? The plot was to save Earth from invaders and their lines and roles were tailored to that plot. It'll be the same thing here as well. Their lines and roles are tailored to the main plot of the film.
And most importantly, you *haven't seen* the film. You can guess but you won't exactly know how bad or how good they manage to distribute roles and lines to each characters until you actually see the film. This is why everyone has been trying to point out the nihilism of your argument.
That'd have been nice but I assume that would have been expensive as Hell with the amount of cast members they hired for this film. Look, I know fans deserve the best and all that but at the end of the day, this is still a business. They want to make the best product they can with budget that is not out of control. Otherwise, it's not desirable to any investors/producers.
They can't just reboot the film again when they have just rebooted it with First Class. The problem was, First Class wasn't a pure reboot. It had traces of the 2 X-Men films (Wolvie, adult Mystique, etc). So no, another reboot wasn't on the card. Moreover, you can't get the audience's attachment to the characters with new reboot. And you need the attachment to the characters for the plot point to matter to the audience.
Just back from the movies.
I had high expectations going in, probably to high.
Though it was still a good xmen flick and a good movie overall, I give it 7/10.
The plot was actually more simple then I thought it was going to be. I say its about on par with the original xmen film.
(some questiions and spoilers about the after credit teaser, not the actual movie)
I had high expectations going in, probably to high.
Though it was still a good xmen flick and a good movie overall, I give it 7/10.
The plot was actually more simple then I thought it was going to be. I say its about on par with the original xmen film.
(some questiions and spoilers about the after credit teaser, not the actual movie)
What/who was that mutant making the pyramids?
Yes. I don't know who the "main four" are to you, since you haven't seen the movie, but there are 6 central characters in the story. 5 of them are mutants. There are a handful of other characters as well who contribute to setting the tone of scenes and building the setting. There are characters selected just because it would be cool to show their powers off, not denying that, but there are also characters selected because it's nice to see their relationship and connection to other characters, either established in previous films, or being established now to build for the future.
I mean, I get the complaint people have about "Oh shit it's Wolverine and Xavier and Magneto again! Zzzzzz!", but at the same time it's clear they're the most popular characters in the franchise, so that focus is not surprising. There's a lot more to the movie than just that though, and actual effort has been put in to tell the Days of Future Past story well on screen.
If you don't want to watch it because you're convinced it's awful, that's fine. Don't. But trying to argue with people who have seen it using nothing but second hand information is incredibly pointless.
WAIT, Crimson hasn't even seen the movie yet? Then WTF is he talking about? Is he just dissing it based on other people's opinions???
He's reading reviews, impressions, the "complete synopsis" and being an "informed consumer" apparently.
You can't say a movie is good or bad without having actually seen it. At most you can say is that, "other people think this" or "I think it looks bad." That's cool and your opinion, don't go see it.
If you don't like being surprised in a movie, there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone reading all the reviews and every detail about a movie. You are trying to be an "informed" consumer. Something might sound off/funny/stupid to you and that's fine, you don't have to see it. But in that case, you haven't seen it so you don't know how it is.
If you don't like being surprised in a movie, there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone reading all the reviews and every detail about a movie. You are trying to be an "informed" consumer. Something might sound off/funny/stupid to you and that's fine, you don't have to see it. But in that case, you haven't seen it so you don't know how it is.
Christopher
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This discussion is really shutting this thread up of excitement esp if you haven't seen the movie wtf?
It is pretty epic! And the scene after the credits...best after credits scene I've seen in...ever?
It has a decent mixture of the "grit" from First Class (cause Vaughn wrote it) with the one-liners of the original. The climax is crazy and totally unexpected.
Now that I know Bob Hoskins could have been Wolverine, this is now ruined.
Dunno what people see with First Class. It was a pretty awful movie. Cheesy, goofy and dumb plot. A lot of bad lines, and so many 'moments' just to have nerds wet themselves, like it had no restraint. Mostly everything besides Prof X and Magneto were bad.
So I guess im glad to hear this is good
So I guess im glad to hear this is good
It's easily going to overtake Captain America's haul this year. Even though I think The Winter Soldier is ultimately a much better film, the X-men brand incredibly strong, even with bad movies. With this film being a coming together of two popular casts, and getting good reviews, it's going to be big.
At a work gathering last night, we had a big summer movie discussion and everyone was pretty hyped for this movie. I was also a little shocked how few of them saw Winter Soldier. There is build in brand hype/interest out there and I think X-men can easily go over 100m this weekend.
Freedom = $1.05
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Yup, although Kevin Bacon hamming it up was fun to watch, too. but yeah, First Class had the honor of not being as bad as Wolverine 1 or X3 and that was kinda it.
Still, im really looking forward to this. If i wasn't going out of town this weekend I would've been totally down with checking this out.
Wasn't keen on First Class, or any of the X-Men movies since X2 really, but enjoyed this quite a bit. The performances are as great as you'd expect, there's a keen sense of the stakes involved and it assumes basic knowledge of the series as to not drag down the pace by repeating old information (the one exception being a hilariously contrived scene where
). The problem is that it feels disjointed, with lots of great ideas and twists but never quite tying them together or giving them enough room to breathe. An important character appears for all of one set-piece before being dismissed, evidently because the power involved would make tying up the finale way too easy, and character conflicts have a similarly short shelf-life. Nevertheless, it's entertaining throughout, the scene
is a joy and the ending brilliantly sets up the future of the X-Men universe without ignoring the faults of the past, not to mention featuring
. It's a shame we don't get an answer as to how
.
(PS: Everything I've spoilered is either vague, already known or extremely minor details, it's only for anyone who might want to go in completely blind)
Charles and Erik go over the exact plot while sitting together on the plane, just in case you'd forgotten
between McAvoy Xavier and Stewart Xavier
two fantastically understated cameos
Stewart Xavier's body returned from being disintegrated in X-Men 3 though
(PS: Everything I've spoilered is either vague, already known or extremely minor details, it's only for anyone who might want to go in completely blind)
I think that's exactly what people saw in First Class though. It's a very cheesy film, and it's kinda like an Austin Powers style retroactive look at an idealized silly version of a bygone era, while trying to imagine a "what if" scenario where the X-men existed in such a timeline. Except it was all done with a straight face, because that's Matthew Vaughn's brand of humor. You either like that, or you don't.
Personally I just enjoyed First Class for being a fun X-men movie again after the dogshit that was X3. I've only seen it once, and it was a cheap matinee screening.
After credits scene on X3 shows Professor X taking over a body that's been in a comma. Just guess that he is implanting his own image on people's mind so they know it is him. This is a "spoiler" for X3, which no one needs to watch.
Neo-Saiyan
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En Sabah Nur (which I think the crowd was chanting in the background) aka Apocalypse, also shown in that scene is his 4 Horsemen I presume.
is that for real?
that is amazing
I think it's from the DVD extras/outtakes.
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