X-Men: Days of Future Past |OT| aka The Last Stand aka First Class 2 aka Wolverine 6

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Gonna see it tomorrow. Really hopeful based on everything I've heard.

With X2's writers coming back for Apocalypse, I hope to god Singer's innocent. (I hope he is anyway, regardless of what he does next, but y'know..)
 
Damn, it's cases like these I'm so happy to eat shit. I thought this was going to be a total train wreck but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Honestly I need to watch X2 again to make sure but I think this is right along side it for me.

I still had some minor things bug me like
how the opening action scene is basically pointless story-wise outside of showing that Kitty can warn her past self. The future X-Men don't seem to be doing anything important besides trying to not die before sending Wolverine back.
I still enjoyed it and all the other future scenes because Singer did such a great job at making you feel like the X-Men are totally powerless against the Sentinels. Those parts got pretty violent actually. Tho Maganeto
dying from what looked like a metal shard was dumb lol
.

Also seemed weird that there was only a X-Men team
in the future. I think the story benefited greatly from focusing mostly on Xavier as we got an actual good arc but the X-Men are only sort of on display here. I guess we also are never gonna get a triumphant battle with a full X-Men team vs Sentinels. You know from the get go these future guys where gonna die with how heavy the dread weighs on you.

But damn that Quicksilver scene! Fuck he was good. I loved how they didn't even make it a big point that
Magneto is his dad. Unless you're a nerd or going with someone who is, the average person probably won't even connect the two, especially with how quirky Quicksilver is.
Whedon really
has his work cut out from him after this.

Seeing QS's badassery and how quickly he's
written out
though and watching a bit of the X-Men marathon on FX makes me realize how much this series has to bend over backwards to limit their characters from being OP.
Quicksilver couldn't be in the ending because the dude would have probably just picked up Trask and ran off with him before anything could have happened.

But beyond all my BS nitpicking I can't believe Singed stuck the landing on this. It's amazing how he managed to blend these two casts into a coherent (and good!) story and one that fixes the big problems the OT made in such a short amount of time. That
whole future school scene is like 3 minutes long but cameos like Jean and FUCKING CYCLOPS did so much for me.
Sure, I bet whenever someone does a mega timeline laying all the events from this franchise out their are a ton of inconsistencies, but that glimpse into the future almost made me sad that this is probably the last time we will see this OT cast (outside of Jackedman obviously).

I'm looking forward to the Blu-Ray release, IIRC from the trailers and what's been said in the interviews, it sounds like we got at least 10-15 minutes they cut to look forward to.

My body is ready for 2016. Now with one cast and a OP villain for them to fight, hopefully we can get a real X-Men team and let their powers run wild. I want to see Magneto fling Wolverine at Apocalypse or some shit. Though I'm betting
he'll end up as a Horseman along with Mystique. Gotta have some reason for Prof X and Mags to team up again.
Oh and give us young versions of OT characters plz, fuck these B-listers, this is already the 3rd in this "trilogy" we need the good stuff. I also really hope we get big blue robot Apoc at some point but knowing Singer, I doubt it :-(
 
mrkgoo said:
What was the final moment?
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The Phoenix tease. It makes me all hopeful and excited by the possibilities of where they could go next. And then I'm reminded that Ratner fucked it up royally, along with the writers. And all that potential was left squandered.
 
Shaanyboi said:
The Phoenix tease. It makes me all hopeful and excited by the possibilities of where they could go next. And then I'm reminded that Ratner fucked it up royally, along with the writers. And all that potential was left squandered.
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X3 really bums me out.
 
brianjones said:
i could never get around her relationship with prof x. because she doesn't even seem to know he exists in x1 and x2 and vice versa
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This is so true. I can easily buy all the alternate timeline and event fudging in the series but all the Raven/X stuff rings hollow to me since Xavier didn't seem to give a shit about Mystique and neither did she outside of them being enemies IIRC in the OT.

I also really dig J law, I do, but she still looks like a girl (and really baby faced) and not the hardened woman OT Mystique was, so it's really weird to see how she acts in this trilogy and especially the jump from First Class to this.
 
With regards to Mystique,
it's implied that she's essentially a different person in this timeline compared to the original due to choices she makes and the path she started upon under Magneto's influence. You could fudge a bit of a retroactive rationalization for their ambivalence/not-caring for each other as adults that way I guess. But I definitely get where you guys are coming from.
 
So is X-Men 3 pretty much ret conned in this one? How else would Xavier still be alive after Phoenix ripped him apart in that movie?
 
Jetman said:
So is X-Men 3 pretty much ret conned in this one? How else would Xavier still be alive after Phoenix ripped him apart in that movie?
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It's altered, but not really retconned, the whole future is just made so that it doesn't turn out that way.

Also, Xavier was alive at the end of X3 if you bothered to watch the after the credits scene.
 
TruePrime said:
Also, Xavier was alive at the end of X3 if you bothered to watch the after the credits scene.
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haha yeah there is some horrible scene at the end of x3 where he appears in a hospital bad and nothing is explained
 
TruePrime said:
It's altered, but not really retconned, the whole future is just made so that it doesn't turn out that way.

Also, Xavier was alive at the end of X3 if you bothered to watch the after the credits scene.
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Hmm, ok, and yeah I did watch that but he was in a completely different body ( I assumed that was an attempt by the writers to just replace Patrick Stewart for a potential X-Men 4).
 
brianjones said:
haha yeah there is some horrible scene at the end of x3 where he appears in a hospital bad and nothing is explained
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It's been explained plenty, several times. By Ratner, by Patrick himself and tons of other places.

Jetman said:
Hmm, ok, and yeah I did watch that but he was in a completely different body ( I assumed that was an attempt by the writers to just replace Patrick Stewart for a potential X-Men 4).
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It was that of course.

Thing is Future DOFP is that X4 that you just mentioned.
 
The Driver said:
Damn, it's cases like these I'm so happy to eat shit. I thought this was going to be a total train wreck but I enjoyed the hell out of it. Honestly I need to watch X2 again to make sure but I think this is right along side it for me.

I still had some minor things bug me like
how the opening action scene is basically pointless outside of showing that Kitty can warn her past self. The future X-Men don't seem to be doing anything important besides trying to not die before sending Wolverine back.
I still enjoyed it and all the other future scenes because Singer did such a great job at making you feel like the X-Men are totally powerless against the Sentinels. Those parts got pretty violent actually. Tho Maganeto
dying from what looked like a metal shard was dumb lol
.

Also seemed weird that there was only a X-Men team
in the future. I think the story benefited greatly from focusing mostly on Xavier as we got an actual good arc but the X-Men are only sort of on display here. I guess we also are never gonna get a triumphant battle with a full X-Men team vs Sentinels. You know from the get go these future guys where gonna die with how heavy the dread weighs on you.

But damn that Quicksilver scene! Fuck he was good. I loved how they didn't even make it a big point that
Magneto is his dad. Unless you're a nerd or going with someone who is, the average person probably won't even connect the two, especially with how quirky Quicksilver is.
Whedon really
has his work cut out from him after this.

Seeing QS's badassery and how quickly he's
written out
though and watching a bit of the X-Men marathon on FX makes me realize how much this series has to bend over backwards to limit their characters from being OP.
Quicksilver couldn't be in the ending because the dude would have probably just picked up Trask and ran off with him before anything could have happened.

But beyond all my BS nitpicking I can't believe Singed stuck the landing on this. It's amazing how he managed to blend these two casts into a coherent (and good!) story and one that fixes the big problems the OT made in such a short amount of time. That
whole future school scene is like 3 minutes long but cameos like Jean and FUCKING CYCLOPS did so much for me.
Sure, I bet whenever someone does a mega timeline laying all the events from this franchise out their are a ton of inconsistencies, but that glimpse into the future almost made me sad that this is probably the last time we will see this OT cast (outside of Jackedman obviously).

I'm looking forward to the Blu-Ray release, IIRC from the trailers and what's been said in the interviews, it sounds like we got at least 10-15 minutes they cut to look forward to.

My body is ready for 2016. Now with one cast and a OP villain for them to fight, hopefully we can get a real X-Men team and let their powers run wild. I want to see Magneto fling Wolverine at Apocalypse or some shit. Though I'm betting
he'll end up as a Horseman along with Mystique. Gotta have some reason for Prof X and Mags to team up again.
Oh and give us young versions of OT characters plz, fuck these B-listers, this is already the 3rd in this "trilogy" we need the good stuff. I also really hope we get big blue robot Apoc at some point but knowing Singer, I doubt it :-(
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Yeah I agree. If we get five or more X-Men fighting a blue/silver robotic looking Apocalypse that can grow to be massive, at the same time, I'll be shocked; and my eyes will bulge out of my head, my jaw will hit the floor, as I slide towards the edge of my seat in bewilderment and disbelief all the while feeling a sense of glee and excitement; a feeling that the action scenes in most of the X-Men films have left me without (Quicksilver and Nightcrawler notwithstanding). I just want a greater sense of awe and badassery on display. I want more of that sense of the X-Men being overpowering when fighting so that when they inevitably get beaten (until
they figure out a way to beat the enemy) its even MORE epic and shocking. I want more fantasy.

Were the original comics randomly littered with f-bombs? Sincere question? I don't remember ONE "asshole" or "fuck" in the whole 18 comic Infinity Gauntlet/War/Crusade storyline.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
It was explained early in X3 that Xavier had a brother stuck in a vegetative state or some shit like that, which is the body he comes back in at the end of the movie.
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that still doesn't make any sense to me lol

but w/e the comics are pretty weird

I'm reading days of future past and juggernaut was apparently prof x half brother
 
brianjones said:
that still doesn't make any sense to me lol

but w/e the comics are pretty weird

I'm reading days of future past and juggernaut was apparently prof x half brother
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Here's the actual hints from early in X3:
In the tape, Dr. MacTaggart stands by a man in a hospital bed. She says that the man was born with no higher-level brain functions: his organs and nerves system work, but he has no consciousness to speak of. Xavier turns the video off and asks his students an ethical question: what if they were to transfer the consciousness of one person, say, a father of four with terminal cancer, into the body of this man? How are they to decide what falls between the range of ethical behavior and what…? Suddenly, he stops mid-sentence. Outside the window, gigantic rain clouds are forming. A moment passes in silence, and then Xavier dismisses the class, saying they'll continue this tomorrow.
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There's a legit explanation why Xavier is back and Magneto is working with him (X3 & Wolvie stingers), but I think it's mostly down to Singer not wanting to waste time explaining away shit from X3.
 
Not gonna be able to see this for a little bit (not out in Japan yet), but did we finally get a proper Xmen 3?

Can we finally move forward with this series instead of being stuck in the canonical shit shadow that X3 created?
 
RyougaSaotome said:
Not gonna be able to see this for a little bit (not out in Japan yet), but did we finally get a proper Xmen 3?

Can we finally move forward with this series instead of being stuck in the canonical shit shadow that X3 created?
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The entire film is an exercise in retconning the hell out of the abomination that was Ratnner's X3 out of existence
 
Magneto: power Metal Manipulation.

well done X-Men Do poster you turned Magneto in Uri F'ing Gellar.

oh shit everyone keep him away from the cutlery drawer.
 
Give me one big ass plate of crow. Not because of the movie, I had faith in it (didn't think it would be anywhere near as good as it is, but I didn't think it would be bad either), but Quicksilver. When they first showed pictures of him I was like "get out, this is fucking ridiculous", but that was the point, it was supposed to be, and he stole every scene he was in. What a great character.

I didn't watch First Class (didn't touch any movies after X3) so young Charles and Erik also surprised me, I honestly like young Charles better.
 
Shaanyboi said:
The Phoenix tease. It makes me all hopeful and excited by the possibilities of where they could go next. And then I'm reminded that Ratner fucked it up royally, along with the writers. And all that potential was left squandered.
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That and Harry finding the Goblin stuff at the end of Spider-Man 2 both still sting.
 
SpinDasher said:
Spidey is the best superhero and deserved so much better this year. It's a shame that it is BY FAR the weakest link of these films this year.

When I was watching this film, I felt like I was watching a Bryan Singer film. It had its directors fingerprints all throughout it and it was great (wish they wrote a bit more stuff for some characters though), and it wasn't intrusive. I miss this feeling in my Spider-Man movies.

Singer blatantly shits on X3 in this movie, it's pretty great. As far as Lolrigins goes, anyone that is sane will ignore the existence of that garbage. Did The Wolverine retcon that movie? Can't remember.
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Nope it directly references Origins' events by having Wolverine hear Kayla's voice and explicitly shout her name ("Kayla!"); Kayla is his Origins girlfriend. Then you have the bone claws which were revealed in Origins (if you haven't seen Origins and unless you are a comic book reader the bone claws in The Wolverine will confuse you; like they did to my sister for example).

Origins is canon, albeit of lower canonical value (if the "main" movies contradict it, the "main" movies "win").

In terms of canon;

Tier 1: First Class / Days of Future Past / Apocalypse (conceived as a soft reboot of the franchise)
Tier 2: X1 / X2 / X3 (original trilogy)
Tier 3: Origins / The Wolverine / The Wolverine 2 [/ Gambit / Deadpool] (spin offs)

Higher tiers "win" in case of a contradiction.
 
angular graphics said:
He does have one in the comics and the X-3 post credits scene was hinting at that.
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I don't think he has a twin brother... not in the versions I've read. However I found this on the Marvel wiki:

In the beginning of X-Men: The Last Stand, Xavier was teaching a class about mutant ethics and used a case study of Moira's with the very same patient on whether or not it was ethical to put the mind of a dead psychic into the body of a comatose patient, who according to movie-makers was Xavier's twin brother, whose psyche was erased due to growing Professor X's powers during the prenatal state. In the comic books, Xavier had a twin sister, yet during screenplay writing the idea of a sister was changed to a brother, for obvious reasons.
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So yeah, looks like Cassandra was changed to a brother so that they could accomplish this. It's cheap but whatever... the important part is we still get Patrick Stewart to play Xavier... at least for now :)
 
Gbraga said:
Give me one big ass plate of crow. Not because of the movie, I had faith in it (didn't think it would be anywhere near as good as it is, but I didn't think it would be bad either), but Quicksilver. When they first showed pictures of him I was like "get out, this is fucking ridiculous", but that was the point, it was supposed to be, and he stole every scene he was in. What a great character.

I didn't watch First Class (didn't touch any movies after X3) so young Charles and Erik also surprised me, I honestly like young Charles better.
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Now go watch First Class.

Anyway, seeing this in an hour. I went from super skeptical to hyped in about three days after seeing the high RT rating and the positive fan response for what I thought would surely be a clusterfuck.
 
angular graphics said:
Nope it directly references Origins' events by having Wolverine hear Kayla's voice and explicitly shout her name ("Kayla!"); Kayla is his Origins girlfriend.
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What? When did that happen?

also, why are you making up tiers of canon and pretending like that's a thing? This isn't Star Wars. All that's been said by anyone in charge is to forget X3 and Origins, and not because they were coming from a lower rung on the canon ladder but because they were bad.
 
Haloid1177 said:
Now go watch First Class.

Anyway, seeing this in an hour. I went from super skeptical to hyped in about three days after seeing the high RT rating and the positive fan response for what I thought would surely be a clusterfuck.
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Is it on Netflix? That would be helpful.
 
Blader said:
What? When did that happen?

also, why are you making up tiers of canon and pretending like that's a thing? This isn't Star Wars. All that's been said by anyone in charge is to forget X3 and Origins, and not because they were coming from a lower rung on the canon ladder but because they were bad.
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1) http://www.moviestack.com/posts/188113-wolverine-remembers-kayla

2) What's so hard to understand? All I'm saying is that if a spin off / standalone movie contradicts the main movies then it's obvious which one "wins" and that the newer movies (first class and its sequels) revise elements of the old ones. I'm not making up anything.
 
I was not prepared for how much I would enjoy those opening credits. It's so 90s/early 2000s, but it really sets the mood for a Singer directed X-Men film. It looks so cheesy by today's standards, but with Ottman's music, the mutating DNA, that pretty much set the mood.

And thankfully the movie was really good.
 
Scullibundo said:
Yeah, but who goes to The Verge for movie reviews? Might as well rely on IGN while we're at it.
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What has that got to do with anything? Their take on the tentpoles this year so far has been quite accurate.

The minute that hack director was signed for this, it was destined to be a turd.
 
Prompto said:
8.1 million from screenings last night.That's less than Godzilla, ASM2, and Cap 2 but the screenings for X-Men started later and had no Imax. It also beat Fast And Furious 6's thursday opening, which was last years big Memorial Day movie, and doubled the thursday gross of The Wolverine.
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I'm no Box Office guru but what does Memorial Day typically mean for early screenings like this? I'm assuming Thursday ticket sales would not be that high because it's a long weekend so more people would be waiting for that.
 
hows the 3D?

This might be one of the few movies that wasn't some post process cash grab 3D this year.


But i've spend too much going to 3D IMAX/RPX shit this year already :/
 
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