Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting

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Well damn.

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Jesus Christ.
 
Shit is crazy. This dude was nuts!

Is it me or reading this story reminded me of a thread here from a GAFer's friend who is obsessed with sex but apparently cant get any and is acting creepy all the time?
 
When I was in my early 20's like him, I went through some really bad depression. It really warped my view of the world. When I read the parts of manifesto where he says something like, "I'm destined for greatness because of how horrible my life has been up to now" it hit me like a ton of bricks because I started talking like that at one point. At one point I was telling people close to me that I believed I was the reincarnated Jesus because I can empathize with the people with the worst, poorest lives on this world having gone through so much suffering myself. I'm embarrassed to even type that sentence.

I feel bad even saying this because part of me is like, "This isn't about you"... but it's where my thoughts have kept gravitating to on this matter all day. I guess the point is, if anyone on GAF or anywhere else ever starts to feel so lonely or rejected and becomes so warped by those negative feelings, just know that it's never too late to turn things around and start healing. Nothing in life is really permanent, aside from death or maybe a life sentence.
 
The manifesto says that cops visited his place a couple months ago when he first started posting videos on youtube. His mother was worried about him. But he told the cops that he wasn't suicidal. And apparently he was seeing two therapists.

So the question is...where is the line? How do you truly know if someone could end up doing something like this? Yes, there were warning signs, but were there enough to have him taken out of society? That always requires more than 'warning signs'. You can only do so much without violating a person's rights.

I wish I knew... I'm not a mental health professional.

What I do know is that if he was seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist and was reported to be exhibiting signs of endangering himself or others, that there's enough there to commit someone. That responsibility falls on the mental health professional.

Also, the cops in Santa Barbara must be idiots or something, because someone who's mentally unstable WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY WERE SUICIDAL. Why the hell would they take his word for it?
 
The whole story is pretty fucked up and sad, not only with what he did, but also that it was ignored for so long.

On another note: wtf was his fascination with throwing lattes at people? He must have detailed 2-3 occurrences of that in his manifesto.
 
The whole story is pretty fucked up and sad, not only with what he did, but also that it was ignored for so long.

On another note: wtf was his fascination with throwing lattes at people? He must have detailed 2-3 occurrences of that in his manifesto.

Lattes is like equivalent to a weapon he wishes he had on hand in hindsight. Disgusting I know.
 
Imagine how the little brother is gonna feel when he finds out that this guy wanted to kill him just under the assumption that he would be more "successful"

How old is the little brother anyways?
 
Well damn.

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I notice how he has to mention that this is some "perfect" revelation, and restate how he is some genius. It's as if there's a seed of doubt, but he can't handle being wrong and instead of re-evaluating his beliefs he reinforces to himself the idea that he is perfect and his ideas are right.
 
Imagine how the little brother is gonna feel when he finds out that this guy wanted to kill him just under the assumption that he would be more "successful"

How old is the little brother anyways?

I saw a video with him in it, he looked a lot younger, maybe 11-12 would be my guess.
 
He really seems to enjoy his status as a victim. The traumatic moments give him happiness in a twisted way, he seeks it out. UC Santa Barbara is filled with so many fun loving and kind kids, this just breaks my heart.
 
When I was in my early 20's like him, I went through some really bad depression. It really warped my view of the world. When I read the parts of manifesto where he says something like, "I'm destined for greatness because of how horrible my life has been up to now" it hit me like a ton of bricks because I started talking like that at one point. At one point I was telling people close to me that I believed I was the reincarnated Jesus because I can empathize with the people with the worst, poorest lives on this world having gone through so much suffering myself. I'm embarrassed to even type that sentence.

I feel bad even saying this because part of me is like, "This isn't about you"... but it's where my thoughts have kept gravitating to on this matter all day. I guess the point is, if anyone on GAF or anywhere else ever starts to feel so lonely or rejected and becomes so warped by those negative feelings, just know that it's never too late to turn things around and start healing. Nothing in life is really permanent, aside from death or maybe a life sentence.

Mental Heath community in OT community is a great place to vent and talk with some professionals. If you ever feel the same way again, go there first and consult a psychologist if your thoughts fester.

We all feel lonely/rejected/unwanted at some point in our lives. It took me some time to see that and want to willingly change that.

It's never too late for anything to turn around, remember that.
 
It's fucked up, but America is a huge place. Shootings happen everyday. Happen in some places more than others.

Were a country housing 310 million people, all of us as strange and twisted as the other. But when were at our best, were pretty damn good.

It may seem like America is this apocalyptic wasteland where people struggle on the day to day, but I assure you were still a great nation.

I spent three months in America last year. I love the place to bits. I love its people, it's geography, it's culture and pretty much everything...........EXCEPT guns and health care. It's just so fucking bizarre that nothing can be done about the waste of life that goes on. It's truly staggering.

i lawled and rofled. I'm terrible.

It would be funny if it weren't so unbelievably tragic.
 
The whole story is pretty fucked up and sad, not only with what he did, but also that it was ignored for so long.

On another note: wtf was his fascination with throwing lattes at people? He must have detailed 2-3 occurrences of that in his manifesto.

He always seemed to be drinking coffee. In the videos he has sipping them or there was a cup in the cup holder.
 
Jesus.

After reading the last half of this thread, this dude's thinking looks like it was from another century. I think it also has scary similarities with the thoughts of some of the people we call terrorists. This obviously came about from a huge combination of issues, some relatable on a certain level.

I'm still thinking about all this shit, so I guess all I can say is my condolences to the victims and their families.
 
Oh wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww not again.

This is crazy. This guy was insane and needed serious help. RIP to all the victims.
 
First incident maybe

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I saw that but I inferred it was an instance of feeling inferior, intimidated by women. So much of what he writes about is literally about him not having sex, I'm looking for where that tipping point happens. I'm up to the part where he wants to be a writer but is lamenting that it may take him decades to get famous and in turn, decades to have sex. He keeps pointing to sex for the separation he's had with friends, with his father, and I recall one instance where someone told him nobody would fuck him, but I see no experience thus far of a sincere attempt blowing up in his face. I only see his attempts at doing things to get sex.

Someone once told me I would be an "undesirable" and nobody would ever love me, and for many years I thought this was true. Eventually I woke up to the reality that all that matters is if I love me.

That and she was an asshole.
 
Reading his deeply disturbing manifesto brings a thought to my mind.

There are quite a few guys out there that think the same as him. The thought is, why hate women so much when you want them so badly? If he had 'achieved' his prize woman would he have loved her and treated her well? Probably not, first moment she does something he doesn't like (laugh at something he said or did, innocently laugh) he would have flipped out. I have experienced that bullshit in my own life and it is terrifying.
 
Reading his deeply disturbing manifesto brings a thought to my mind.

There are quite a few guys out there that think the same as him. The thought is, why hate women so much when you want them so badly? If he had 'achieved' his prize woman would he have loved her and treated her well? Probably not, first moment she does something he doesn't like (laugh at something he said or did, innocently laugh) he would have flipped out. I have experienced that bullshit in my own life and it is terrifying.

You sound like you know this person? Scaring me now.
 
The thing that stood out to me was his inability to grasp or understand social cues and behaviors and instead acted much of it out via mimicry or how he perceived human interactions should work from a very superficial standpoint.
 
Reading his deeply disturbing manifesto brings a thought to my mind.

There are quite a few guys out there that think the same as him. The thought is, why hate women so much when you want them so badly? If he had 'achieved' his prize woman would he have loved her and treated her well? Probably not, first moment she does something he doesn't like (laugh at something he said or did, innocently laugh) he would have flipped out. I have experienced that bullshit in my own life and it is terrifying.

Hating what you want is essentially the exact definition of Envy. It seems like it was his driving force into psycho land.
 
I don't want to be na ass but when do you guys think the movie will come out?
I'm pretty sure someone will try to make a movie out of this.




And RIP victims.
 
Reading his deeply disturbing manifesto brings a thought to my mind.

There are quite a few guys out there that think the same as him. The thought is, why hate women so much when you want them so badly? If he had 'achieved' his prize woman would he have loved her and treated her well? Probably not, first moment she does something he doesn't like (laugh at something he said or did, innocently laugh) he would have flipped out. I have experienced that bullshit in my own life and it is terrifying.

His logic tbh is ass backwards. He didn't want the comfort of a woman, he wanted power and control. He morphed his mind to believe that the world is bad and he's the supreme good. It's so much a trope that I wouldn't be surprised if he consumed himself with so much video games and anime and that's all he consumed as media.

He was an insecure twit who didn't trust in anyone that they were good. His manifesto points out certain people who he felt were nice to him for innocuous reasons, thus they automatically became friends. He never learned that's not how relationships work.

I hope this bullshit of yours has been resolved. I'm sorry to hear that you're going through some stuff also.
 
Reading the manifesto is kinda creepy, he eventually just decided that the reason he saw everything as sucking was that he something better than human, just screams to me like he needed some serious help, he just couldn't think straight anymore for whatever reason. That still doesn't excuse his actions, RIP all the victims.
 
"psycho land"

coookooo coookooo world

just glad he is gone now.

Yeah I am as well but does it make a difference? He is gone but there are tens of thousands like him. The next guy may not hate women, he may hate kids, he may hate minorities, the next guy may have a vendetta against puppies for all we know, whatever, but the same thing will happen.
 
His logic tbh is ass backwards. He didn't want the comfort of a woman, he wanted power and control.

The ULTIMATE "nice guy" ..... i can see in a very short span ot time idiots all over internet are going to look at him as some source of twisted inspiration.

sigh .....................
 
I can't believe what I am reading in this sick bastards manifesto, everyone is lonely to some degree it doesn't give you the right to act this way.

He also seems to have some traits of narcissism, and a huge superiority complex on top of being a very disturbed individual.

Half of his madness sounds like something out of a fedora wearing, men's rights advocacy douchebag's guidebook.
 
Hating what you want is essentially the exact definition of Envy.

What? No. Envy is frustrated desire of what someone else has that you can't or don't have.

This... is just a defense mechanism gone awry. Desire so overwhelming that he attempted to distance himself from the unfulfilled, frustrated desire via hatred... but of course that's not really the opposite of desire - the opposite is apathy... which he clearly was not.
 
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