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[CountAntonius]

Or that they're shy and introverted.

Of course. My point there are plenty of people who will call that creepy behavior and that many people do judge it that way. Maybe not the people in this thread but plenty of people. denying that is ridiculous.

I do all of those things, especially standing alone at parties, and I think people probably do judge me as creepy sometimes, but I don't give a fuck. I'm not actually creeping on anyone, and I think anyone whose opinion you value would agree, so fuck everyone else.

as someone who goes to movies alone 90% of the time and is used to how people who don't know me may see me I agree with you 100%. I was just agreeing the the poster of that comment that a lot of people do confuse the two.

 

[Devolution]

I am introverted, if not for me forcing myself to converse with people I'd be terribly socially awkward, sometimes I still am. Alcohol loosens me up sometimes, when I can't do that, I lighten the mood with humor. I am not a social butterfly. When I see people conflating rudeness, stupid commentary and just generally creepy behavior with social awkwardness it pisses me the fuck right off.

 

[BlackJace]

Note: I'm not defending the guy and his actions. Sorry if it came out that way.


Well, that is true about this case and probably many others. But not all the socially isolated people lack empathy for others. My problems lies on this generalization.

Nah, it's cool, I didn't see it that way.

 

[DY_nasty]

Isn't this kind of circular?

It sounds like you're saying they should connect with other people so they can connect with other people.

Its exactly that. Social interaction is improved by *gasp* social interaction.

 

[User 100115]

I have never considered someone standing around alone at a party a creep.

 

[Devolution]

Its exactly that. Social interaction is improved by *gasp* social interaction.

And when someone tells you where the line is you don't go "oh what an uptight asshole/bitch", you reflect on your fuck up.

 

[wildfire]

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2014/02/

("the fatal one" is this guy's first girlfriend)



It's just jokes on the internet

:/

Welp I'm now reconsidering the transformative power a relationship can have.

I already knew people like this are dangerous but I was overestimating how much human interaction can help.

 

[On Demand]

Is not entitlement, is a human need. A need of all sexual life in the planet has. Yes, you can't (or shouldn't be able to) force anyone to be with you, but the physical and psychological need of companion is there.

You said it better than i did. And there's nothing wrong with that. People taking it as making sex a big deal aren't getting the point. And it's usually the ones who have never had to deal with being without a girl their entire life.

You have zero experience to argue.

 

[lawful]

Here I thought this whole thread was going to be one huge gun law argument. Seems you guys only care about the sexism part.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Here I thought this whole thread was going to be one huge gun law argument. Seems you guys only care about the sexism part.

Did you read the manifesto? This incident is going to bring MRA into the mainstream.

 

[DY_nasty]

What's acting like a "creep"? I really want to know this definition to understand exactly where you and devo are coming from.

Lets work backwards. What do you think some unacceptable behavior is?

Because doing your own thing at a party is not by itself creepy. Staring off into nothingness and checking your pockets to see if they're still empty while doing a poor job of forcing yourself to interact with people in ways that you're simply ill-suited for in comparison to others would DEFINITELY throw off some signs that you're not particularly worth a lengthy conversation though. And if people you don't know aren't interested in you.... okay? I guess? That's not worth blogging over.

You said it better than i did. And there's nothing wrong with that. People taking it as making sex a big deal aren't getting the point. And it's usually the ones who have never had to deal with being without a girl their entire life.

You have zero experience to argue.

broooooooooooooooooooo just free yo mind already

 

[Vermillion]

I have never considered someone standing around alone at a party a creep.

Many people believe that's the case though. Which is why I personally try not to go too long without being by someone if I'm at any social gathering.

Anyways, how did this become the topic?

 

[CountAntonius]

I am introverted, if not for me forcing myself to converse with people I'd be terribly socially awkward, sometimes I still am. Alcohol loosens me up sometimes, when I can't do that, I lighten the mood with humor. I am not a social butterfly. When I see people conflating rudeness, stupid commentary and just generally creepy behavior with social awkwardness it pisses me the fuck right off.

Well me and the guy I quoted that kinda started this branch of the debate weren't doing that. I think we are actually agreeing with you.

As for the drinking thing I know the feeling. It got to a point where I would depend on those drinks to loosen me up enough to have any fun at all in a social setting. I tried to dial the dependence back some but it's difficult to get out of my head when sober.

Lets work backwards. What do you think some unacceptable behavior is?

Because doing your own thing at a party is not by itself creepy. Staring off into nothingness and checking your pockets to see if they're still empty while doing a poor job of forcing yourself to interact with people in ways that you're simply ill-suited for in comparison to others would DEFINITELY throw off some signs that you're not particularly worth a lengthy conversation though. And if people you don't know aren't interested in you.... okay? I guess? That's not worth blogging over.

I've definitely been known to do this when I'm feeling extremely uncomfortable in a place or situation. I don't blame people for not walking up and talking to me though. I've been this way a longtime and know the only reason i'm sitting there alone is my own issues not anyone else's in the room.

I think what most people consider creepy behavior is actively making people feel uncomfortable by imposing something on them. Trying desperately to get their attention without you know actually trying and then getting resentful when you are not being noticed.

 

[lawful]

Did you read the manifesto? This incident is going to bring MRA into the mainstream.

No I didn't. Because I don't really care about this at all in a good or bad way. No fucks whatsoever.

 

[DY_nasty]

No I didn't. Because I don't really care about this at all in a good or bad way. No fucks whatsoever.

this is definitely the place for you then

 

[User 100115]

Many people believe that's the case though. Which is why I personally try not to go too long without being by someone if I'm at any social gathering.

Anyways, how did this become the topic?

There's a lot of discussion elsewhere about how 'creep shaming' and not being nice to this guy are the biggest factor in his actions. And lots of people, even here, are identifying with him.

 

[Devolution]

Well me and the guy I quoted that kinda started this branch of the debate weren't doing that. I think we are actually agreeing with you.

As for the drinking thing I know the feeling. It got to a point where I would depend on those drinks to loosen me up enough to have any fun at all in a social setting. I tried to dial the dependence back some but it's difficult to get out of my head when sober.

Well "creep shaming" isn't really a thing but in the paranoid minds of people who might want to get a bit more self-awareness. And I'm going to go ahead and stop any tumblresque bullshit as proof right here. The world outside the computer is so forgiving and willing to socialize.

 

[Benutzer]

Is there info on how he got a firearm despite getting treated for mental illness? I thought you can't pass the background check if you have a history of mental illness?

 

[User 100115]

Is there info on how he got a firearm despite getting treated for mental illness? I thought you can't pass the background check if you have a history of mental illness?

Yes, he bought them legally and easily. The only way he might have been refused is if he'd been convicted of a felony.

 

[BobbyRobby]

Here I thought this whole thread was going to be one huge gun law argument. Seems you guys only care about the sexism part.

It was definitely a motivating factor. He saw women as the gatekeeper to what he wanted, and began to really resent them. I don't think it should be ignored.

I do think it is sad though that everyone is using this incident to become more entrenched in their partisan MRA/Feminist camps.

 

[Dabookerman]

There's an upsetting undertone to this news that shows some men didn't listen to this stuff when it came from women, but now they're paying attention since they can directly relate to and read about the man's story. I've seen Devo and Fiction explain all of this stuff in every similar thread, and only now are some people like "okay, maybe we believe you."

Exactly. Guys are seriously not losing anything by actually paying attention and listening.

 

[lawful]

this is definitely the place for you then

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

 

[Intheflorsh]

This thread is truly off the rails. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this kid had problems beyond "social awkwardness".

 

[Unbounded]

Its exactly that. Social interaction is improved by *gasp* social interaction.

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This thread is truly off the rails. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this kid had problems beyond "social awkwardness".

The way some people are tying themselves to his motivations is creepy as fuck.

 

[DoktorEvil]

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

What a perfectly healthy outlook on life, even when modern society is the safest it's ever been.

Do you have any meaningful contribution to add to the thread discussion? A question?
Want to get a recap of the crime? Ask.

Saying what your saying is true, but you're not helping at all.

 

[BlackJace]

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

Then what the fuck are you doing here?

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

Gotta play to win, chief. Not that hard.

 

[DY_nasty]

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

lol no one is telling you to do shit

you posted "i'm not reading anything related to this, shocked at the type of conversation, but whatevs" and "dont care"

so gj man, #staytrue to yourself

 

[EscoBlades]

It doesn't matter to most people. You can show them thousands of acts of racism or sexism and it will all be waved away as an exception, or trolling. It doesn't matter that I hear legitimate racism every time I play CounterStrike for more than 20 minutes. It doesn't matter that "nigger" is one of the more common words used on every single forum online that lacks moderation.

You can find an example of misogyny in hundreds of thousands of different posts in MRA communities, as they can barely get through a discussion without veering towards hate speech towards women and feminism. You can drag out thousands of "incel" lunatics and realize you likely know a few who are frustrated and lash out towards women in that way. But no. It doesn't matter.

Exception, exception, exception.

Quoting because this needs to be read. By everyone. Multiple times if necessary.

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

Then kindly get the almighty hell out of here.

 

[pants]

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

You do care though, else you would not be posting here. I take it you were interested in a gun debate?

 

[parakeet]

This thread is truly off the rails. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this kid had problems beyond "social awkwardness".

Yeah sounding like a Taliban member

 

[lawful]

Then what the fuck are you doing here?

Being amazed that uber-liberal-hipster GAF isn't bitching about gun laws. I'd have more to say about that of course but sure, I'll see myself out.

 

[DY_nasty]

Being amazed that uber-liberal-hipster GAF isn't bitching about gun laws. I'd have more to say about that of course but sure, I'll see myself out.

bad ass til the end

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

By practicing. Like any other skill.

You fell down learning to walk, there's a backspace on every keyboard, etc.

There's no 'perfect' way to go about it either - which is why I think a lot of people behind the curve psych themselves out of even trying to talk to people. But you can't be terrified into inaction regarding something such an essential skill.

 

[Vermillion]

There's a lot of discussion elsewhere about how 'creep shaming' and not being nice to this guy are the biggest factor in his actions. And lots of people, even here, are identifying with him.

Mm. They shouldn't. The biggest issue with this guy was that he not only felt like he deserved certain things, he felt like others were somehow less deserving.

Identify with someone else if for some reason you feel slighted by society. Not the mass-murdering psychopath. Not a good look.

 

[Angelus Errare]

You said it better than i did. And there's nothing wrong with that. People taking it as making sex a big deal aren't getting the point. And it's usually the ones who have never had to deal with being without a girl their entire life.

You have zero experience to argue.

There is a difference between the biological need for sex and the idea someone is entitled to sex from every girl you see. Because of our "free will" and the fact we as a species routinely have sex for fun, the idea that any woman "owes" someone sex is just batshit crazy and no amount of biology talk changes that.


Too many people in this thread have been trying to conflate the two.

 

[EdibleKnife]

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

There's no real testing ground for this. In order to learn how to interact with people you need to actually do it. Try, fail, try, succeed, fail, and so on. Learn lessons. Take advice to heart and keep trying.

 

[RockTurtle]

Here I thought this whole thread was going to be one huge gun law argument. Seems you guys only care about the sexism part.

can still be. both issues are definitely at the heart of the matter.

what i am disappointed at is that the discussion has gone to a direction where people are attributing what an obviously deranged and insane individual as somehow justification for crude and ignorant comments by others.

very little discussion on the actual mental state of the individual is going on, which i believe is the crux of the situation.

the guy was relatively attractive and financially well-off, but these attributes could have been the biggest factor in people not being more adamant in pointing out his behavior to proper authorities.

HE DIDN'T FIT THE CRAZY PERSON STEREOTYPE. he was a minority, he didn't have crazy visual cues like KKK clothing or confederate flags on a big ass pickup truck with nazi paraphernalia, he wasn't an overweight while male or highly opinionated religious man. and few people reacted.

 

[andymcc]

Being amazed that uber-liberal-hipster GAF isn't bitching about gun laws. I'd have more to say about that of course but sure, I'll see myself out.

ahahaha

 

[Oersted]

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

Don't kill people. As a start.

In all seriousness, get this fucking out of here. Go to Dating-GAF, ask friends or your parents if you need some dating help. But get this shit out of here.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

So then how can you expect someone with no social experience to know how to properly act in order to yknow, get experience with social interaction?

I think a common problem with this sort of question is it purposely tries to dismiss that everyone else who is succeeding at interaction has failed probably hundreds of times. Getting where you want to be, no matter what it may be, comes with constant failure at first. Some people are afraid to fail once.

 

[lawful]

Okay, I felt bad for being a dick about having no feels so I decided to take advice and read said manifesto. But it's 140 fucking pages? What the fuck? Is it well written? If it was guy should have just released it as a book or something and got laid that way.

Can I get some cliff notes on this?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Can I get some bullet points on this?

Oof.

 

[CountAntonius]

.

 

[lawful]

Oof.

Oh...fuck

I really didn't mean that.

shit =[

 

[DoktorEvil]

Okay, I felt bad for being a dick about having no feels so I decided to take advice and read said manifesto. But it's 140 fucking pages? What the fuck? Is it well written? If it was guy should have just released it as a book or something and got laid that way.

Can I get some bullet points on this?

...

 

[EdibleExplosives]

What do you want me to do? Cry? People kill each other all the time. It's tragic as all hell but it literally happens every day. I bet you as I'm typing this someone some where is murdering someone else. And I bet by the time someone quotes me someone else will be murdered too.

God you're so badass.

 

[gtrunner]

It's some what sick that news outlets are saying that he "He died a virgin." as if it's an insult. That type of thinking is what started this mess.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/california-shooting-suspect-elliot-rodgers-life-rage-resentment-n113996

 

[lawful]

Freudian slip people, I'm not that cold.

 

[pants]

Okay, I felt bad for being a dick about having no feels so I decided to take advice and read said manifesto. But it's 140 fucking pages? What the fuck? Is it well written? If it was guy should have just released it as a book or something and got laid that way.

Can I get some bullet points on this?

The guy had a bit of everything going on. Entitlement complex, narcissism, misogyny, racism, ostracization, superiority complex, isolation, warped world view, misanthropy, jealousy and like 100 other issues. He's like christmas for psychologists