Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach

Hey guys, I managed to snap my own shot of the character select screen:

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Sorry for the poor angle.
 
BassForever said:
Are you saying b moves don't count for characters? Wolf is a clone yes he is very different the same way Luigi is, but Luigi is also a clone of Mario. Yes they aren't anywhere to the same degree as Melee's clones but they are still clones. Ken, Akuma, Dan, and all the other shota characters are clones of Ryu, even if they are so far removed from him in terms of gameplay style. They all have a fire ball esque move, an upper cut move, and a spin kick move that while frequently having different properties are clearly inspired from the original hadoken. The same holds true for falco and wolf, they all have the same blaster, dash, charged launch, reflector special set even if they're all radically different from each other in usefulness.

How Brawl handled its clones is how all clones should be handled in any fighting game, similar to their original character that if you know the originals basic concepts you can jump into them easily, but different enough to have unique play styles despite a common starting point.

There is nothing bad about clone characters especially in the way brawl handled them, I'm not sure why some smash fans get so upset about that.
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But what you're saying with Wolf being a clone of Fox and having the same moveset but with minor differences, is that Chun-Li is a clone of Ryu.
Chun-Li also has similar special attacks to Ryu - she has a spin kick (Spinning Bird Kick), she has a fireball (Kikoken/Kikosho), and she has a rising attack that's a kick version of the dragon punch (Tenshokyaku).
But of course considering Chun-Li a clone of Ryu would be absurd - their special moves are still very different from each other, and Chun-Li has entirely unique normals in which she shares no moves with Ryu. Just like Wolf.

Wolf has similar special attacks to Fox - but even those moves' differences are pretty vast. If you dumb them down, they share as many attributes as Ryu's and Chun-Li's specials. And they share not a single normal move, just like Ryu and Chun-Li.
 
Red Arremer said:
But what you're saying with Wolf being a clone of Fox and having the same moveset but with minor differences, is that Chun-Li is a clone of Ryu.
Chun-Li also has similar special attacks to Ryu - she has a spin kick (Spinning Bird Kick), she has a fireball (Kikoken/Kikosho), and she has a rising attack that's a kick version of the dragon punch (Tenshokyaku).
But of course considering Chun-Li a clone of Ryu would be absurd - their special moves are still very different from each other, and Chun-Li has entirely unique normals in which she shares no moves with Ryu. Just like Wolf.

Wolf has similar special attacks to Fox - but even those moves' differences are pretty vast. If you dumb them down, they share as many attributes as Ryu's and Chun-Li's specials. And they share not a single normal move, just like Ryu and Chun-Li.
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So, Chun-Li's a Ryu clone? Neat.jpg. Never knew that.
 
Revven said:
Speaking of which, there were a lot of dumb names for "techniques" in Brawl. Probably the only good ones are RAR, DACUS, and Glide Toss. That's literally it. Everything else is awful. B Reversal/Wavebouncing are both really dumb, especially because people confuse the two of those terms all the fucking time (even in 2014!) when they pretty much are the same thing. Thankfully, I think the latter term (wavebouncing) is slowly disappearing from people's vocab as I haven't heard it from a commentator in... months -- let alone anyone in any stream chat lol.
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I hated it so much when I tried to engage in discussion about Brawl tech saying "Pivot Aerials/Specials/Grabs" only to be confronted with shit like RAR, Wavebouncing and the like. It was so weird, like who would ever see those maneuvers pulled off and give them those kinds of names? :lol
 
Hey guys, I got a quick question for you. I'm almost ready to make my submission to the People's Challenger Contest, and I was going to chroma key myself and use a clip from the SSB4 announcement trailer. I was just wondering which you think would look best.

Note: Before you ask, the watermarks are meant to resemble the watermarks used on current WWE shows, to add to the whole pro wrestling vibe.

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Anyway, here's the examples:

Entire video 1:1. Fit's perfectly in Intagram's video player, but you lose a lot from the side of the trailer.

Foreground 1:1, Backgroung 4:3. Get a lot more on the sides of the trailer, but you have to deal with black bars in the background.

Entire video 4:3. Video looks more unified, as foreground and background have the same exact amount of space, but black bars are even more obvious, due to nothing from the foreground being present in them.
 
Red Arremer said:
If you completely ignore the differences between Chun's and Ryu's special moves and just look at their basic idea, and completely ignore Chun's and Ryu's normals, yes, the conclusion is that Chun-Li is a Ryu clone.

That's exactly what the Wolf-is-a-clone people are doing.
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T-t-t-t-t-that is not true! He's only a semi-clone.

Fighters like Roy and Dr. Mario are straight up clones.
 
I personally like clones. They help beef the roster while making more franchises have some characters.

Also, they help with the different gameplay they provide. My cousin doesn't like Fox much, but prefers Falco because he is slower and a bit more powerful (Melee) and I think that's cool.
 
I don't do a lot of sharing around here, so figured I'd try to share a bit of how ridiculous some rosters can be. I made this one before Brawl came out back in 2006. You can see it uses the old Melee boxes. Has 144 characters. If I remember correctly, a lot if not all of them had someone wanting them in Brawl over on SmashBoards.

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Decided to pick some of the more popular choices these days, and apply the "no cuts" rule. Young Link and Toon Link are more or less the same character, so he's the only one not brought back. Turns out, if we included all the popular choices with no cuts we'd be around 81 characters.

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Full disclosure: I had 2 more on there that I wound up cutting and more I didn't wind up even doing because it was getting so big.
Bayonetta and Tails.

This is also NOT my desired cast. I just think it's fun to see how desires for characters before and after Brawl have changed and how someone no matter what is going to wind up disappointed. I feel for Sakurai.

Don't hate me if your #1 isn't on there. I know I missed a few.
 
Wolf is closer to a non standard Ryu clone like Sakura. Same general moveset that plays completely differently.

He still sucks and should be cut, but not for being a clone.
 
Let's stop fighting about clones :(

Some characters special moves are aesthetically similar to others. In melee, they were definitely clones, but in brawl, the similarities were only visual and thematic (blasters, reflectors, dashes, bombs, boomerangs, arrows). Usage and mechanics were completely different.

Let's all just agree to disagree.
 
I'll be at the best buy E3 demo in Huntsville Al if anyone on GAF is going or needs a ride let me know I can arrange something or we can meet up there. In fact someone should make a thread for the event for people to meet up.
 
Man God said:
Wolf is closer to a non standard Ryu clone like Sakura. Same general moveset that plays completely differently.
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But he doesn't have the same general moveset. Why is everyone ignoring what I'm saying? Sakura has several normals that are taken from Ryu, Wolf has none that are taken from Fox.
 
Muzy72 said:
I don't remember where exactly I noticed this (I believe it was in the Smash Run footage but I'll double check when I get home), but it seems you need a Nintendo Network ID to play online in the 3DS version. First 3DS game to require NNID?
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So, did you find out what you were talking about?
 
Since the Star Fox characters essentially play like personified spacecraft, one of them should be able to charge their blaster while moving around (like the Arwing can). It would probably make the most sense for Falco's play style.
 
Brawl96 said:
Question. Can anyone who was in melee and brawl, NOT be in smash 4? I doubt he'll cut em.
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Considering we can just make guesses and extrapolate from the last three games (with enough time between each that trying to establish any trends is dubious at best), nobody can say for certain unless they actually have some insider knowledge.

It's probably unlikely, mostly because the characters in both Melee and Brawl seem to represent the franchises close to Nintendo's heart (and a good portion of them have already been confirmed) but a guess is still just a guess.
 
Which franchises have exactly three characters so far? Off the top of my head there's:

- Fox, Wolf, Falco
- Kirby, MK, Dedede
- Debatably Marth, Ike and ???
 
Guys, if the NFC Figurine/Smash Bros Wii U rumour is true, then this scene from Melee can quite possibly become reality! My wallet is not ready!

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kirby_fox said:
Decided to pick some of the more popular choices these days, and apply the "no cuts" rule. Young Link and Toon Link are more or less the same character, so he's the only one not brought back. Turns out, if we included all the popular choices with no cuts we'd be around 81 characters.

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Full disclosure: I had 2 more on there that I wound up cutting and more I didn't wind up even doing because it was getting so big.
Bayonetta and Tails.

This is also NOT my desired cast. I just think it's fun to see how desires for characters before and after Brawl have changed and how someone no matter what is going to wind up disappointed. I feel for Sakurai.

Don't hate me if your #1 isn't on there. I know I missed a few.
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Damn if that last one isn't a roster I would love, despite having to probably implement a wheel UI
 
Man God said:
I'm still floored at how much I love the newcomers this time around.

Little Mac, Rosalina, Villager are all dream additions.

Megaman is beyond all possible hope addition.

I didn't even know I wanted Greninja and Wii Fit trainer, yet here they are.

I thought nothing would top Wario/ZSS/Pit/Snake/Sonic, but Little Mac and Mega Man do it by themselves.
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All of this.

Dimitri LH said:
I would be 100% ok with Klonoa....but he dos not scream "Iconic" like Pac-Man does.
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I'd rather this.

PadWarrior said:
To anyone who is going to E3 or Best Buy (I don't know if my BB will participate) can you try out Mario and see if he's been buffed? Thanks!
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I'll see how many rounds I can do.

Blasian Persuasion said:
Question? What were some of y'alls favorite and least stages in Brawl and what stages you think you'll like or hate in this game?


Me: Favorites:

Delfino Plaza: Just the visuals really

Luigi's Mansion: Had so many good memories with this stage. Used to always be the final round stage me and my little brother used to play on when we had tournaments and we used to have Fire matches on it (Mario & Luigi fire flower colors, sticky bomb, fire flower, curry, bob-omb, smart bomb, motion sensor bomb, hothead, and fire crates on high)

WarioWare - I think people tend to dislike this because of the mini games and they suck at doing something as simple as taunting, but I enjoyed getting a slight break from the fighting to get a reward.

Pictochat: I like the constant switch ups in this one compared to Flatzone 2 which seemed to get in the way most of the time.

Norfair: This is another one I found people typically don't like but for me I found no problems with it and I liked throwing people into the lava and trapping them outside when the flood comes.

Frigate Orpheon & Smashville: I love both of these for the same reason. It gives the simple flat small stage some uniqueness. Smashville for its day and night cycle with the moving platform and Frigate with its flipping the stage.

Shadow Moses Island: Snake's taunt

Hated:

Spear Pillar: I would have been ok with this stage if the screen flips were signaled. Majority of the time when the stage flips upside down or placements are flipped around. I'm trying to get back onto the stage and it always causes a KO when I wouldn't have gotten one. Frigate at least gave you a signal when the stage would flip. It's completely random on Spear Pillar.

Hanenbow: Just plain boring because it's lack of music

75m: The design is just bad for a battlefield.

New Pork City: No explanation needed

Will get to the new ones later.
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Spear Pillar. Rainbow Cruise. Pokémon Stadium. Icicle Submit. Halberd. Rumble Falls. Norfair. Frigate Operate or something.

Despised Smashville. Battlefield. Final Destination. Corenia.

IntelliHeath said:
Not yet.
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Hopefully same locations.
 
georly said:
Let's stop fighting about clones :(

Some characters special moves are aesthetically similar to others. In melee, they were definitely clones, but in brawl, the similarities were only visual and thematic (blasters, reflectors, dashes, bombs, boomerangs, arrows). Usage and mechanics were completely different.

Let's all just agree to disagree.
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Then we'd just go back to Ridley talk D:
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I think Wolf makes sense as a rival to Fox and everyone always says we need more villains.

Which means you should probably cut Falco.
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Tbh, I'd rather they keep Wolf if it means cutting Falco.
Wolf was a lot more unique, and interesting than he ever was.
However, I'd prefer if they both stayed in. Why remove any of the Star Fox reps??
 
Ryce said:
Since the Star Fox characters essentially play like personified spacecraft, one of them should be able to charge their blaster while moving around (like the Arwing can). It would probably make the most sense for Falco's play style.
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Yeah, and it would make him tons more annoying to fight. Please no.
 
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