Team Filler
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If you like the character and are interested in seeing a more story-driven movie about him, then I strongly suggest The Wolverine. The final act kind of goes to crap, but everything leading up that is quite captivating.
X-Men: Days of Future Past |OT| aka The Last Stand aka First Class 2 aka Wolverine 6
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The Woverine's final fight is one of the most squandered opportunities I think this franchise has had, and that's saying something. We could have ended with a brutal Wolverine vs. Silver Samurai fight akin to his encounter with Lady Deathstrike in X2 - but kicked up a few notches.
Instead he practically fights a
(not sure if I should spoiler that at this point...) and cardboard cut-out villain.
Instead he practically fights a
damn robot
AuthenticM
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Yeah, Viper should not have been in the film. In fact, I would have very much liked for the film to only have Wolverine as a mutant. I wanted this film to be an 80s action flick, but instead we got an "X-men film"... without a plethora of mutants. It tried to do both but failed at satisfying either camps.
Finally saw the film. It was a bit messy and not all the scenes or the actors worked. But it was by far my favorite X-Men movie to see as a fan of the comics. Well, to be honest I didn't like any of the others that much. This one got the 'spirit' of X-Men even better than X2.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They should have just
had the sentinels be made out of metal to begin with. Very few people knew about magneto to begin with so it's not unreasonable to say trask didn't. Making them not out of metal and then thinking of a convoluted way for magneto to make them metal just overcomplicated things
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
I saw this on Saturday. I think its on par w/ X2 and way better than the terrible X3 and the mediocre First Class. The future scenes were the weakest parts of the film. There is no build up and they just throw a bunch of new characters at you (unless you know them from the comics). I thought Fassbender and Lawrence were better than this than they were in First Class. The one scene in First Class where Fassbender "concentrates" to use his powers was so bad IMO. He looked ridiculous. There was one part in this where I thought they would repeat that mistake...and they kind of come close...but thankfully the camera doesn't linger on him for too long (a wise move).
catashtrophe
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Wow I didnt realise that The Wolverine was not liked on GAF.
I watched it in the cinema and thought it was really good
I watched it in the cinema and thought it was really good
TrumanBurbank
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I've seen you repeatedly shit on Kinberg.
But the dude wrote a great X Men and super hero film.
After all the garbage we have seen in the X Men film universe, you would think one would appreciate a great film like DOFP coming out of the shithouse that is FOX studios.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
This. That whole situation was full of some stupid bullshit.
Magneto being able to command the sentinels by voice, and being totally okay after being shot through the neck were the two that stuck out the most to me and really killed the last act for me.
Have very few complaints about the movie otherwise - it met my expectations in pretty much every area except for the writing, which was some Prometheus levels of nonsense at times.
Messypandas
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I actually bought the sentinels, because Magneto
had stripped metal down to a cheesestring and stuck it into all of their moving parts. It'd be kind of like filling a humans circulatory system with liquid metal (i.e X-men 2) and then making them walk around like a puppet. Thats completely plausible for Magneto to do. Why did it obey voice commands? It didn't, they were programmed to shoot mutants anyway. The whole point of the thing was that Magneto controlled them, but made it look like they malfunctioned and were shooting the shit out of humans. On national TV. Trask would never be allowed near public funding again.
Amentallica
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I haven't seen Origins in a long time so I don't remember how much I liked it, but I do remember that I didn't dislike it. I knew very well that, compared to the other X-men films, it was bad. I need to rewatch it, it's been many years.
As for The Wolverine, I quite liked that movie. It felt very isolated and post-X-menish, if that makes sense. Unfortunately its final battle was squandered like the end to a first date with a handshake. Eh,
I am seeing this tonight, despite reading EVERYTHING in the spoiler thread. lol I don't know why I do this to myself, but spoilers have never prevented me from enjoying movies. Sometimes I even forget what I read/saw. But I do sometimes wonder how much better my reaction would be if I didn't read these spoilers. For DoFP, I will never know.
Ahaha
As for The Wolverine, I quite liked that movie. It felt very isolated and post-X-menish, if that makes sense. Unfortunately its final battle was squandered like the end to a first date with a handshake. Eh,
I am seeing this tonight, despite reading EVERYTHING in the spoiler thread. lol I don't know why I do this to myself, but spoilers have never prevented me from enjoying movies. Sometimes I even forget what I read/saw. But I do sometimes wonder how much better my reaction would be if I didn't read these spoilers. For DoFP, I will never know.
Ahaha
I don't think that's really true, remember that
everyone believes Magneto was the man who killed JFK, so his metal manipulation powers are probably very well known.
Also
Xavier just allowing Erik and Mystique to leave for absolutely no reason. Especially Magneto, who just tried to kill the President! And laid waste to DC! How could you possibly be cool with letting him go?
I can't find the original article right now, but the gist was that it seemed like Jackman (and Mangold too I guess) we're trying to prove to FOX that a grounded superhero movie like that could work, and the lame third act was a compromise on their part to appease the studio. It sounded like Jackman was pretty aware how tonally removed that last act was from the rest of the movie, and the implication was that the movie's success would make it easier to pitch an even more grounded, atypical story for the next Wolverine.
Messypandas
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Because....
he was right? The President and co were unveiling weapons that had no purpose other than annihilating peaceful mutants. Xavier is fully aware Magneto is acting out of self-preservation for their species, even if he does not agree with his extremist methods. Thats why they are always on off friends, they have the same ideals.
Fancy Clown
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Really enjoyed this movie. It's easily my favorite X-Men movie since X2 (although I would still rank that a little higher), although I wasn't really a fan of any of the other X-Men movies. I guess Singer just knows how to make a good X-Men movie.
It's also my favorite blockbuster of the summer thus far. It focuses on emotion, and character over CG explosions, and the main 'villain' of the movie is really an ideology rather than some generic bad guy. It was fun all the way through, and remained focused and small scale, which really really worked for the movie.
Unlike Captain America: The Winter Soldier which had a really fun, interesting well paced first half, and an incredibly boring, stupid, and generic second half-- DoFP remains fairly strong throughout.
There are a bunch of great set-pieces throughout the movie as well (ahem, Quicksilver). It's just a constantly entertaining movie. The actors also did a very good job--especially McAvoy--which lent a great deal of emotion to the story.
I'm actually kind of worried about X-Men: Apocalypse, as Singer said Apocalypse would give them the opportunity to have widespread destruction and action on a scale that hasn't been in the X-Men movies before...but that is the antithesis of why the X-Men movies are good (when they are good). DoFP succeeded precisely because it eschewed the modern blockbuster trend of throwing as many effects on the screen as possible, and instead focusing on the intellectual and emotional states of the characters as the crux of the conflicts. I'm worried Apocalypse will just give the writers an excuse to just be like all the other blockbusters and have a computer generated explosion filled 3rd act that is utterly devoid of character or substance (I'm looking at you Captain America).
But if Singer does come back, my interest in it will certainly remain high. Days of Future Past has put the X-Men franchise back on track.
It's also my favorite blockbuster of the summer thus far. It focuses on emotion, and character over CG explosions, and the main 'villain' of the movie is really an ideology rather than some generic bad guy. It was fun all the way through, and remained focused and small scale, which really really worked for the movie.
Unlike Captain America: The Winter Soldier which had a really fun, interesting well paced first half, and an incredibly boring, stupid, and generic second half-- DoFP remains fairly strong throughout.
There are a bunch of great set-pieces throughout the movie as well (ahem, Quicksilver). It's just a constantly entertaining movie. The actors also did a very good job--especially McAvoy--which lent a great deal of emotion to the story.
I'm actually kind of worried about X-Men: Apocalypse, as Singer said Apocalypse would give them the opportunity to have widespread destruction and action on a scale that hasn't been in the X-Men movies before...but that is the antithesis of why the X-Men movies are good (when they are good). DoFP succeeded precisely because it eschewed the modern blockbuster trend of throwing as many effects on the screen as possible, and instead focusing on the intellectual and emotional states of the characters as the crux of the conflicts. I'm worried Apocalypse will just give the writers an excuse to just be like all the other blockbusters and have a computer generated explosion filled 3rd act that is utterly devoid of character or substance (I'm looking at you Captain America).
But if Singer does come back, my interest in it will certainly remain high. Days of Future Past has put the X-Men franchise back on track.
did singer say that? i thought it was the producer
Discotheque
Banned
yeah i don't need collapsing buildings everywhere in apocalypse. hopefully the disaster doesn't get too tiresome.
thinking back on cap 2, that got boring fast with the end heli-carrier setpiece. i thought the first half was much better. hence why i was so positive on the film. i still liked the second half but it sorta lost me with the transcendence computer for a bit and parts of the final battle.
McAvoy is past timeline's mvp for sure. plenty of great scenes in here but one that isn't mentioned much is
thinking back on cap 2, that got boring fast with the end heli-carrier setpiece. i thought the first half was much better. hence why i was so positive on the film. i still liked the second half but it sorta lost me with the transcendence computer for a bit and parts of the final battle.
McAvoy is past timeline's mvp for sure. plenty of great scenes in here but one that isn't mentioned much is
when he gives up walking and asks for help to his wheelchair. makes you realize the hard sacrifice he's giving when you see it hidden away in a closet
Fancy Clown
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I can't find the quote but I thought it was Singer. You may be right, though.
I just read that Singer is confirmed to be directing, and that he is co-writing along with help from the X2 writers, so that gives me a lot more faith in the movie.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah, I really liked McAvoy in this. First Class kind of felt more like Magneto's movie, while DoFP definitely felt more like Xavier's movie, and it was much better.
Brian_FETO
Banned
I was really looking forward to DOFP (I love the X-Men movies sans Wolverine: Origins), but I was pretty disappointed with it. Maybe it was just because of how much I enjoyed Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but I was really expecting some more action.
I'm a fan of Fassbender as Magneto though and he has some awesome scenes
Overall I think I enjoyed First Class and The Wolverine more than DOFP. The Wolverine would have been perfect for me if it didn't have that godawful CGI end battle, and First Class is probably my favorite super hero movie besides The Winter Soldier
The post credits scene was awesome, however. Possibly the best I've seen yet
I'm a fan of Fassbender as Magneto though and he has some awesome scenes
the stadium
Overall I think I enjoyed First Class and The Wolverine more than DOFP. The Wolverine would have been perfect for me if it didn't have that godawful CGI end battle, and First Class is probably my favorite super hero movie besides The Winter Soldier
The post credits scene was awesome, however. Possibly the best I've seen yet
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One of them was in X3.
WyndhamPrice
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I thought they said that it took 50 years for the technology to catch up with the idea?
edit: i guess that was specifically in reference to the adaptable sentinels, not the prototypes.
I really just don't worry about the weird continuity stuff in this movie, the X-Men film universe was already so fucked up by Origins.
I think this was a great movie, but despite being above most of the rest it is nowhere near X2 for me and I'm surprised to hear people mention it in the same breath as that movie.
The only characters that got meaningful arcs in this movie were Xavier and Mystique, and the latter just fell off completely for me between JLaw's lacking performance and the script making her motivations terrible.
Magneto using the
Kitty Pryde's involvement was bad.
Also, how far after The Wolverine did the future segment take place? I find it hard to believe that the state of the world from that airport scene at the end of The Wolverine to the future in DOFP was a couple years due to the cast looking relatively the same age (aside from greying hair on Logan) so it would've been nice if the aging looked more convincing. (granted you can't really age Stewart and McKellan any more than they already are)
In the end though, these are all mostly nitpicks on my end. It's a damn good movie, but it seems really rough around the edges and I might have been able to forgive them more had possibly the most important character to the plot (Mystique) not been entirely unconvincing to me.
The only characters that got meaningful arcs in this movie were Xavier and Mystique, and the latter just fell off completely for me between JLaw's lacking performance and the script making her motivations terrible.
"Trask must die after what he did to these mutants!" which makes zero sense in the context that Xavier told her that in the future her actions will cause the destruction of all mutants yet she is still gung-ho about the entire thing.
Magneto using the
railroad tracks to essentially mind control Sentinels didn't fly for me as being entirely rational either. Hell, what was the point of breaking out past Magneto anyway? I mean, I love Fassbender's Magneto and he was one of the best characters in the film for me, but it was absolutely bone-headed from a plot point of view considering Xavier was convinced they would need him to convince Mystique from shooting Trask when that wasn't the situation at all and he lent nothing to the team's efforts before the quick betrayal.
Kitty Pryde's involvement was bad.
She gets time machine mutant powers out of nowhere (I can allow it for the sake of the story as bad as it is) and while I understand why they cut the Rogue scene, it made no sense to have Kitty using her powers while bleeding out for what was probably close to a day in the past assuming that the timeflow is equal in past/future. Hell, even placing a dramatic time limit on the team is redundant considering the time limit already placed by the arriving Sentinels.
Also, how far after The Wolverine did the future segment take place? I find it hard to believe that the state of the world from that airport scene at the end of The Wolverine to the future in DOFP was a couple years due to the cast looking relatively the same age (aside from greying hair on Logan) so it would've been nice if the aging looked more convincing. (granted you can't really age Stewart and McKellan any more than they already are)
In the end though, these are all mostly nitpicks on my end. It's a damn good movie, but it seems really rough around the edges and I might have been able to forgive them more had possibly the most important character to the plot (Mystique) not been entirely unconvincing to me.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Sometimes flat sure with JLaw, but even with her worst in the two movies I didn't cringe half as much as Fassies "My fellow mew-tants!" in First Class. Yes, the man has some insane highs with the character so far, and some incredible lows. I still give McAvoy the top honor though. The most consistent actor in First Class, and the breakout in DoFP.
It is insane though how much fun Jackedman has with Wolverine though. Every movie even the worst of them you can tell the man is having fun and trying. Trying to give the audience something worth enjoying. He's just generally at his best with other actors trying.
He had a looot to work with in this flick. In the end though this was a story about Xavier and Mystique. Bro and sis. Controlling bro and morally ambiguous sis. And Deus Ex Machina man Wolverine getting tossed into the Potomac before the climax is like the writers last "We freaking told you this wasn't a story about Jackedman!"
It's my favorite superhero flick. If Singer actually ends up in prison the foundation laid should be an easy pickup for someone like Vaughn. Given adequate time with the material.
It is insane though how much fun Jackedman has with Wolverine though. Every movie even the worst of them you can tell the man is having fun and trying. Trying to give the audience something worth enjoying. He's just generally at his best with other actors trying.
He had a looot to work with in this flick. In the end though this was a story about Xavier and Mystique. Bro and sis. Controlling bro and morally ambiguous sis. And Deus Ex Machina man Wolverine getting tossed into the Potomac before the climax is like the writers last "We freaking told you this wasn't a story about Jackedman!"
It's my favorite superhero flick. If Singer actually ends up in prison the foundation laid should be an easy pickup for someone like Vaughn. Given adequate time with the material.
Amentallica
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Just saw the movie. I really, really liked it. I am so glad that Wolverine was more of a device to assist in highlighting other characters whom propelled the story forward. I just wanted more out of young Xavier to do some dope mind bending shit. Other than that, I liked it all.
9/10
9/10
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I was under the impression that
certain people in the government knew but the general public didn't, which is why they kept him locked up in the bottom of the pentagon and that the people who knew like the Prof were passed off as conspiracy theorists
The Wolverine is about 2007, its mid-credits scene is 2009, and the future segments in DOFP were 2023.
hmm, right, but I imagine Trask would still be among those who knew, considering how ahead of the game he was on mutants in general.
Earthanoid
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Yeah, this is what I was thinking for the sentinels too.
He was trying to make Trask and the sentinels look bad to dissuade people from building more. I also don't think they were really following voice commands either, he just pointed the sentinel at Beast and Wolverine and released it, which is why it ended up attacking him and distracting him long enough for Mystique to shoot him.
As for the Wolverine... I enjoyed it, although the end does get predictable and a little dull. I don't think it deserves some of the hate it gets here though.
I don't think The Wolverine gets much hate on GAF. Pretty much anytime it gets brought up, the general review is "It was okay-pretty good for the first 2/3rds, then went off the rails in the last 1/3rd". The general feeling everywhere on it seems to be "so okay its fine", but complaints about how the last 20-30 minutes devolved into generic super action movie ending.
DangerMouse
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Yeah it would be best to see it first so you're quite familiar with their younger versions before going into this.
Went to see it. I guess I'll eat crow by saying it was good, but it isn't as good as X2. It's the second best in the series though. However, Quicksilver annoyed the shit out of me and I don't want to see that character ever again in an X movie. I don't get why everyone comes out of the movie saying how awesome Quicksilver was. I hope he's not like that in Avengers 2, because he looked terrible and was so annoying.
Pluses: Fassbender and McAvoy were rad. Blink was rad. Wolverine was extremely vascular. All action scenes were good.
Negatives: Peter Dinklage kept slipping into his Tyrion accent and it was super distracting. Future mutants really had nothing to do and were there just to die. Even before the timey wimey bullshit, the timelines was completely fucked. Mystique would be in her 50s, maybe even 60s in the first movie, since she is only a couple of years younger than Charles. Same goes for Hank, who seems to only be 5 or 6 years younger than Charles. And Charles/Magneto should be close to 100 in the future. Jennifer Lawrence really felt like she was phoning it in. Richard Nixon looked TERRIBLE. Quicksilver was annoying as shit and looked TERRIBLE.
Going forward, it sure seems like none of the movies besides First Class are canon now. And the next movie is going to be another alternate timeline/time travel mess.
Pluses: Fassbender and McAvoy were rad. Blink was rad. Wolverine was extremely vascular. All action scenes were good.
Negatives: Peter Dinklage kept slipping into his Tyrion accent and it was super distracting. Future mutants really had nothing to do and were there just to die. Even before the timey wimey bullshit, the timelines was completely fucked. Mystique would be in her 50s, maybe even 60s in the first movie, since she is only a couple of years younger than Charles. Same goes for Hank, who seems to only be 5 or 6 years younger than Charles. And Charles/Magneto should be close to 100 in the future. Jennifer Lawrence really felt like she was phoning it in. Richard Nixon looked TERRIBLE. Quicksilver was annoying as shit and looked TERRIBLE.
Going forward, it sure seems like none of the movies besides First Class are canon now. And the next movie is going to be another alternate timeline/time travel mess.
Jane Mansfield
Banned
Just saw the movie. Loved it, probably my favourite Xmen movie.
Aside from everything... isn't Quicksilver supposed to be Magneto's biological child along with Scarlett Witch... that kind of bothered me...
Aside from everything... isn't Quicksilver supposed to be Magneto's biological child along with Scarlett Witch... that kind of bothered me...
WrenchNinja
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It's implied when Pietro is talking with Magneto in the elevator and the reaction his mom gives when she sees him on TV that Magneto is his dad
There's a deleted scene supposedly of Pietro telling the little sister to go bug "your sister", implying Wanda does exist and the one sitting on his lap is Lorna Dane
There's a deleted scene supposedly of Pietro telling the little sister to go bug "your sister", implying Wanda does exist and the one sitting on his lap is Lorna Dane
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
These two handsome fellows have incredible chemistry together.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That's one thing that wasn't damaged in the semi-reboot. Erik and Charles. Neither have the commanding presences of McKellan and Stewart, but both have done reasonable work with what they've been given.
You'd seriously believe the two care about each other.
McAvoyXFassbender is still a thing.
triplestation
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Getmphhouph of my headmphhCharlmpes
It doesn't make sense to me that the movie said that only Logan would remember any of this stuff happening. Of course, so does Xavier. But so should anyone who was told Logan came from the future. So Xavier, Magneto, Beast, and Mystique (maybe) should all know about the bad future that was prevented.
Anything after 1973 shouldn't have happened in the new time line, which means the trilogy and The Wolverine are out. And most of Origins.
Anything after 1973 shouldn't have happened in the new time line, which means the trilogy and The Wolverine are out. And most of Origins.
Night Hunter
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Well, it didn't.
But Xavier made some of it happen after Logan told him to do so
Saw it today. So good. Maybe the best X-Men movie yet.
They'll know about a bad future that was prevented but they wouldn't know the details that Wolverine didn't share.
LOFL. Every scene with them was golden. Whoever cast them was a genius.
Right, but Kitty stated that Logan would be the ONLY person to ever know any of this, which doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't Hank/Charles/Magneto/possibly Mystique suddenly forget all the events of this movie? They should should absolutely remember that Logan was sent from the future to change it. No one else should. But those 4 should.
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