Good luck with that. Every weekend I have epic plans that hinge on whether or not I get pulled into housework, yardwork, or whatever else my wife has on the "honey-do" list. These plans generally fail to come to fruition.
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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Good luck with that. Every weekend I have epic plans that hinge on whether or not I get pulled into housework, yardwork, or whatever else my wife has on the "honey-do" list. These plans generally fail to come to fruition.
Nice set up! Will watch later.
PixyJunket
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I ended up doing the arduous stuff during the week.
Ain't nothing getting in the way of dis three day weekend.
Anyone who thinks Genesis music is just robofarts these days is just a huge fanboy or deaf.
Yes please. The Year of Saturn fell off unfortunately
Still waiting on Gunstar to do his game contest
EDIT: I've got 3 things to do this weekend - Barbecue, Catch up on games, and go see Godzilla.
Is Thunder Force 2 worth it? I breath Thunder Force III,IV, and V...but I dunno about those top down 2 stages.
Yes please. The Year of Saturn fell off unfortunately
Still waiting on Gunstar to do his game contest
EDIT: I've got 3 things to do this weekend - Barbecue, Catch up on games, and go see Godzilla.
Is Thunder Force 2 worth it? I breath Thunder Force III,IV, and V...but I dunno about those top down 2 stages.
Genesis Knight
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Anyone who thinks Genesis music is just robofarts these days is just a huge fanboy or deaf.
Yes please. The Year of Saturn fell off unfortunately
Still waiting on Gunstar to do his game contest
EDIT: I've got 3 things to do this weekend - Barbecue, Catch up on games, and go see Godzilla.
Is Thunder Force 2 worth it? I breath Thunder Force III,IV, and V...but I dunno about those top down 2 stages.
Eh, I love me some Thunder Force but I'm not a fan of 2.
Yeah it seems like Gradius 1 for me. Love the whole series/everything about the universe, but damn if I cant bring myself to play the first game. The boss music is like some aural drill in your ear.
It's funny, because back in the '90's I definitely would have come down on the SNES side of things. It was hard to argue with those amazingly realistic instrument sounds (Super Star Wars FTW.)
Nowadays, of course, the Megadrive has an incredibly awesome and distinctive sound set, while it's impossible to sample sounds from the SNES without them sounding like a cheap MIDI card from the mid-90's. It's funny how these things change.
Only the ignorant rag on the Megadrive: The YM2612 came from an amazing pedigree. Yamaha synths were basically the sound of the 80s
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well said. That mirrors my own perception.
Bar81
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The problem is that most of the world is ignorant in general so it shouldn't come as a surprise when you have most of this board (and others such as the VGN) not knowing what they are talking about with regard to the Genny (particularly when they make these claims that somehow the SNES was the superior console when each had their strengths and your preference typically would depend upon the game genres that you favor - also Nintendo hipster nostalgia is strong).
Dont hipsters like things that arent traditionally liked? They should be all over Sega...unless I really dont know what a hipster is lol.
There's two problems with this.
1. The Genesis was "cool". Hipsters don't like things that are cool.
2. Nintendo isn't liked today. So this is a twofer. They're playing a Nintendo and Nintendo is kiddy, and they're doing it by reliving the past! What could be more amazing for a hipster? Stick to the man! Nintendo isn't kiddy and they used to be so great!
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Hipsters typically like vintage things that were liked at one point, but that nobody really cares about anymore. Nintendo fits that image. And they like Nintendo in particular, because it's a friendly, palatable company that reminds them of the innocence of youth. Sega's brash, in-your-face brand of gaming is too abrasive. They got beat up by Sega kids when they were young.
It's also why You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) is a hipster anthem, but Din Daa Daa is too hard for their weak asses.
Hipsters claimed you spin me round?! NOOOOOOoooooOooooo! Also, when I think of hipster nintendo fans driving up the prices of mah vidya games as though we were trading fine wines, I get the image of this guy in my head:
Anyway, I just think I found my most favorite video reviewer of all time. You see, most reviews on youtube are mostly useless to me when it comes to substance. They often just fall into the trap of endless streams of nostalgia driven superlatives if the reviewer thinks "It's awesome!" or pejoratives if "dis gaem sux". This guy (definitive 50) on the other hand is concise and veers away from spending too much time tellin you how awesomely awesome a game is to him and actually tells you things like how a game's controls hold up.
Ironic then, that he appears to be a nintendo only hipster. Sucks really. I could used such useful reviews for other hardware.
Anyway, I just think I found my most favorite video reviewer of all time. You see, most reviews on youtube are mostly useless to me when it comes to substance. They often just fall into the trap of endless streams of nostalgia driven superlatives if the reviewer thinks "It's awesome!" or pejoratives if "dis gaem sux". This guy (definitive 50) on the other hand is concise and veers away from spending too much time tellin you how awesomely awesome a game is to him and actually tells you things like how a game's controls hold up.
Ironic then, that he appears to be a nintendo only hipster. Sucks really. I could used such useful reviews for other hardware.
Ha, loving in the UK, I find the NES nostalgia inherited from the US to be quite funny. Nowadays, it seems like everyone had a NES when they were younger (despite the console doing about as well as the Master System did in the US.)
Speaking of the megadrive sound chip, did you guys know that the hardware actually had a special mode geared towards speech synthesis? Sadly there was no official support for it though.
Speaking of the megadrive sound chip, did you guys know that the hardware actually had a special mode geared towards speech synthesis? Sadly there was no official support for it though.
IrishNinja
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sega will come around in gaming history, i think it's bound to be cool to like the pre-dreamcast systems at some point. dudes like Pat the NES punk swear it's inevitable once collectors move on from nintnedo stuff, but no one cares about them.
welp, time to take up smoking
welp, time to take up smoking
The SNES wasn't very popular here. I didn't even use one until I bought one second hand a few years ago. I love a lot of SNES music, but I'm not convinced it's to do with the sound chip itself, just the tunes.
Mega Drive on the other hand, I always loved the sound. We used to spend hours in the sound tests of our old games. I remember much later on I hooked it up to my brother's speakers that had a small sub too, via the headphone jack, and we played Sonic games all day with the bass turned right up, shaking the floor. Glorious!
dreamcastmaster
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So true been like that for years.
IrishNinja
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wait, the NES did poorly over there? i know it was sega-land but i thought NES also did strong #'s on that side of the pond.
Bar81
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Europe's always been Sega land and then Sony land. Nintendo has always been a footnote.
MikeHattsu
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Not all of Europe. NES and SNES was strong in Scandinavia.
IrishNinja
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right but...nintendo illegally dominated the 8-bit market to the point that i wanna say sega had like 3 3rd parties? and one was parker brothers.
i mean i know you kids were bigger on amiga which is cool but for real, was master system the default there? i met one other master kid at my school and holy shit i thought we were gonna be brothers, that's how rare shit was here
i mean i know you kids were bigger on amiga which is cool but for real, was master system the default there? i met one other master kid at my school and holy shit i thought we were gonna be brothers, that's how rare shit was here
In the uk, consoles mostly took off in the early 90's. Up until then it was mainly spectrum vs c64 followed by Atari at vs Amiga.
With that said, if it was before 1992 and you knew someone with a console, it was normally a master system. And that wasn't surprising: whereas mastersystem games were about 3 times as expensive. As speccy/c64 games, I think NES titles retailed for about 5 times the cost!
(Can't speak for the rest of Europe, but the amount of rock-hard Spanish Speccy games would suggest that it was pretty big there too )
Edit: the MS had more third parties in Europe - we had Codemasters and US gold, for example. I think when you seperately the numbers sold from the numbers shipped, Nintendo only sold 2-3 million NES' in Europe.
With that said, if it was before 1992 and you knew someone with a console, it was normally a master system. And that wasn't surprising: whereas mastersystem games were about 3 times as expensive. As speccy/c64 games, I think NES titles retailed for about 5 times the cost!
(Can't speak for the rest of Europe, but the amount of rock-hard Spanish Speccy games would suggest that it was pretty big there too )
Edit: the MS had more third parties in Europe - we had Codemasters and US gold, for example. I think when you seperately the numbers sold from the numbers shipped, Nintendo only sold 2-3 million NES' in Europe.
Bar81
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I was talking about Europe as a whole, just like we talk about America as a whole. Aren't you guys the EU or EC now or something
MikeHattsu
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I was talking about Europe as a whole, just like we talk about America as a whole. Aren't you guys the EU or EC now or something
Well, somebody was mentioning the UK specifically earlier though.
And Norway is not a part of EU
Red Liquorice
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The NES wasn't big in the UK, but the SNES certainly was.
PixyJunket
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Hipster rhetoric and console wars, nooooooo.
HEYO. I beat the red and blue dargon caves in Lunar: The Silver Star last night. I know I've gone on about having large portions of this game burned into my head but there was a twist right in that section that I had completely forgotten about and it actually gave me a shock. It's sort of cute how certain plot elements in JRPGs feel natural during this era, and not like a gratuitous trope.
HEYO. I beat the red and blue dargon caves in Lunar: The Silver Star last night. I know I've gone on about having large portions of this game burned into my head but there was a twist right in that section that I had completely forgotten about and it actually gave me a shock. It's sort of cute how certain plot elements in JRPGs feel natural during this era, and not like a gratuitous trope.
Bar81
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And Norway is not a part of EU
Wow, you guys are more skeptical of the EU than the Brits (or do you not want to share the oil money
). I learned something new.Enjoyed the vid. I never thought about it that way before, but I agree with your assessment that Altered Beast was a good pack-in game. As you said, it had large, detailed sprites, digitized speech, great music/sound fx, and 2-player simultaneous play. And it was a popular arcade hit, showing that the Genesis was capable of bringing the arcade experience home.
Sure, looking back, the game-play is a bit slow and plodding, but I still enjoy popping it in every once in a while, even today. Of the launch games, it was probably the best choice to showcase SEGA's arcade pedigree while ushering in the 16-bit generation.
Thunderforce II was heaven-sent. The overhead stages with the forced, constant scrolling and floating walls were kinda iffy, but the horizontal stages were awesome. And the audio really was something else! Subsequent entries in the series improved upon it, but TFII is still solid, especially if you discount the overhead stages.
Gunstarheroes
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Game Sack - Same Game, Different Game
Neat episode that shows some of the highly debated Sega vs Nintendo version games like Batman and Aladdin.
Neat episode that shows some of the highly debated Sega vs Nintendo version games like Batman and Aladdin.
sixteen-bit
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they should cover Batman and Robin in the sequel episode
or Sunsoft Batman
those were the two I would have expected. I didn't even know about the genesis version of BF
or Sunsoft Batman
those were the two I would have expected. I didn't even know about the genesis version of BF
Speech synthesis?
I somehow got confused and thought there was speech synthesis in the NES. Turns out I learned something today. Apparently only one game used it, but at least it made it sound good.
The Megadrive speech synthesis is a different beast entirely.
Had never seen the Animaniacs comparison before. The SNES version is the one I have. =(
Once in a while I'll randomly check to see what stuff is going for on Ebay. When did the Punisher get expensive?! I mean, it's never been cheap, but I remember when it went for $20-$30. Now the cart alone fetches more than that. And CIB gets north of $100.
It's not rare, to my knowledge. And is the Punisher really that popular? I guess one thing it has going for it is that it wasn't released on any other console. The game's a decent enough port, but it can't really match the arcade. Did some YouTuber mention it and spike interest?
It's not rare, to my knowledge. And is the Punisher really that popular? I guess one thing it has going for it is that it wasn't released on any other console. The game's a decent enough port, but it can't really match the arcade. Did some YouTuber mention it and spike interest?
IrishNinja
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a few years back, i wanna say? and yeah, must've been YT or something similar, cause when i went looking in 2011/12 it was already stupid-high. Shame, too - it's a fantastic port that i wish id've known about in the day.
Bar81
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Once in a while I'll randomly check to see what stuff is going for on Ebay. When did the Punisher get expensive?! I mean, it's never been cheap, but I remember when it went for $20-$30. Now the cart alone fetches more than that. And CIB gets north of $100.
It's not rare, to my knowledge. And is the Punisher really that popular? I guess one thing it has going for it is that it wasn't released on any other console. The game's a decent enough port, but it can't really match the arcade. Did some YouTuber mention it and spike interest?
It's a complete shit conversion. I have the PCB and won't soil my collection with that garbage. Collectors are the biggest bunch of assclowns I've ever seen. At least if it's a good game, fine, but these retarded prices for crap games are just unforgivable.
sixteen-bit
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Punisher on Genesis is an awful port.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I dug The Punisher port. Then again, i never played the arcade version, so i have nothing really to compare it to.
IrishNinja
Member
i played the hell out of the coin-op, anyone saying this is a bad port didn't play many 16-bit ports or is lying
see m'man this is going on the list
see m'man this is going on the list
sixteen-bit
Member
Sure, as a kid I didn't think the Genesis Punisher was bad...
but then I played the arcade one.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
but then I played the arcade one.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
IrishNinja
Member
Nah.
Genesis port drops in quality in regards to sound, color, graphics, # of enemies on screen, FPS etc, as every port in that era did. there's some censorship too - otherwise, it's a fantastic port for its era, easily top 10. you & Bar81 are on some bullshit here.
Genesis port drops in quality in regards to sound, color, graphics, # of enemies on screen, FPS etc, as every port in that era did. there's some censorship too - otherwise, it's a fantastic port for its era, easily top 10. you & Bar81 are on some bullshit here.
sixteen-bit
Member
Play what you like but I'm not going to pretend I live in a time capsule where substandard home ports are an acceptable fact of life.
IrishNinja
Member
^haha never even seen that...better than a fruit roll up
so no port of an arcade game is worth playing, by definition. okay.
so no port of an arcade game is worth playing, by definition. okay.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Look, i love Genesis as much as everyone in here, but lets not BS ourselves, SNES had the better ports, for the most part. I think Punisher is an exception because, as of now, its the only way to play it on a console. But stuff like Sunset Riders and stuff, yeah, i can see his point when there are better versions out there.
There are Arcade-perfect ports out there, like Space Harrier/After Burner (well, damn close), Double Dragon, Alien Storm, stuff like that. I see both sides of your arguments.
IrishNinja
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but we didn't get an SNES version with marginally better graphics & possibly less FPS, nevermind that i think the genesis music on this port is nice too.
i'm not talking about Sunset Riders here - with Punisher, it's not just the only port we got, it's a better port than even your example of Double Dragon got on the popular systems.
i'm not talking about Sunset Riders here - with Punisher, it's not just the only port we got, it's a better port than even your example of Double Dragon got on the popular systems.
Hmm, now I feel like I should take the Punisher for a spin this weekend. On its own merits, I don't remember it being bad. Of course it can't compare to the CPS2 board, it's wildly out-spec'ed. I do wonder why it was released on the Genesis, while the SNES got stuff like King of Dragons and Knights of the Round. Is it because the grittier theme felt more at home on SEGA's console?
As far as Sunset Riders goes, once again, on its own merits I do like the Genesis version. Sure, the SNES port is closer to the arcade, but I still like playing it on the Genesis, too. Same holds true for Turtles in Time / Hyperstone Heist. They have their differences, and one may be better than the other overall, but neither one is a slouch. (It's not as cut and dry, like in the case of Tournament Fighters.)
As far as Sunset Riders goes, once again, on its own merits I do like the Genesis version. Sure, the SNES port is closer to the arcade, but I still like playing it on the Genesis, too. Same holds true for Turtles in Time / Hyperstone Heist. They have their differences, and one may be better than the other overall, but neither one is a slouch. (It's not as cut and dry, like in the case of Tournament Fighters.)
As someone who gobbled up arcade ports whenever possible during the SNES/Genesis era...The Punisher port was certainly not in even in the same league of quality as Ghouls n Ghosts, Strider or Forgotten Worlds IMO. To make matters worse, not only were they Capcom releases but earlier done as well.
Punisher was much more 'B tier' along with stuff like Mercs and Vapor Trail (I used to play this in the arcade and the Genesis cart made me cry when I bought it - luckily I was able to return it).
Punisher was much more 'B tier' along with stuff like Mercs and Vapor Trail (I used to play this in the arcade and the Genesis cart made me cry when I bought it - luckily I was able to return it).
From what I understand Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Strider, and Forgotten Worlds were reprogrammed by SEGA. They did a bang-up job, as they are awesome, easily some of my faves on the Genesis. Wikipedia notes that Punisher was done by Sculptured Software, who did a lot of stuff during the 90s.
I think Mercs is a pretty solid port. I've never played the arcade version of Vapor Trail, but I know the Genesis version is often lauded for its music.
I think Mercs is a pretty solid port. I've never played the arcade version of Vapor Trail, but I know the Genesis version is often lauded for its music.