Zoe
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Seriously, every time I see the character, I think of this guy.
People need to get out more.
Is anyone else concerned about Far Cry 4's villain? (LGBT issue + mild spoilers)
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Seriously, every time I see the character, I think of this guy.
People need to get out more.
Relativ9
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Yup, sounds like half of all Scandinavian guys I know.
I would laugh heartily at this thread if the protagonist turns out to be an ex-lover of the antagonist.
who gives a shit about the average gamer? You can't live your live worrying about what average people are gonna do. I'm not concerned about if people will negatively identify the villian because i know that people are shitheads, as your watchdog example proves. Why would that worry me though?
Karsticles
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I never got that feeling, either. He actually reminded me of the main villain in Borderlands.
Garrett Hawke
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Yeah, I agree with this. If anything else came across in the OP, this is what I was trying to say.
He looked kinda asian to me...no?
Relativ9
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Also, last time I checked being gay meant that you liked having sex with men. Didn't know the color of my clothes mattered, if I put a red sock in the washer with my white t-shirt, does that mean I'm gay?
Resident_UA
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WTF?!!!
You make a stereotypical assumption based on some traits and then you are concerned. This is wrong in so many different ways. Even if it end up being true. Is "all gay people are homicidal maniacs" a stereotype that I missed? I've never heard that before.
You make a stereotypical assumption based on some traits and then you are concerned. This is wrong in so many different ways. Even if it end up being true. Is "all gay people are homicidal maniacs" a stereotype that I missed? I've never heard that before.
Kittenwithbeer
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I think we should all play the game before assuming the character is gay...
If he does turn out to be gay so what? You can't want gay characters to be in gaming and then complain when they make one of them a villain.
GTA had The Ballad of Gay Tony and if Far Cry 4 chooses to have their villain portrayed in that manner then so what? If they want to make their character a certain way then they should be allowed to. It's their story and their game. Not everyone needs to accept every character and there's no use worrying about what others think. It's a game. No matter what it does it's not going to make homophobic people any less homophobic. We can hate the character because of his actions, not because of his sexuality. It's as simple as that, really...
The medium is never going to move forward if everyone walks on eggshells with topics like this.
But like I said, let's wait to actually play the game before we make any assumptions.
If he does turn out to be gay so what? You can't want gay characters to be in gaming and then complain when they make one of them a villain.
GTA had The Ballad of Gay Tony and if Far Cry 4 chooses to have their villain portrayed in that manner then so what? If they want to make their character a certain way then they should be allowed to. It's their story and their game. Not everyone needs to accept every character and there's no use worrying about what others think. It's a game. No matter what it does it's not going to make homophobic people any less homophobic. We can hate the character because of his actions, not because of his sexuality. It's as simple as that, really...
The medium is never going to move forward if everyone walks on eggshells with topics like this.
But like I said, let's wait to actually play the game before we make any assumptions.
Zoe
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He doesn't look white to me.
You'll find this mind blowing, but people from all over the world can have fair skin (white) He still looks of Asian descent.
Last stab-happy warlord I remember in a game I've played was Uncharted 2. And at the end he pointed out I'd probably personally slaughtered more people than him to get to that area. Probably unintentionally highlighted how stupid that aspect of the story was.
As to the OP, I can understand the concern but ultimately it's a lot of concern trolling here by people who take internet backlashes way too seriously. True equality means that the sexuality of heroes and villains shouldn't be an issue. If the game comes out and it's done in some exploitive way or it's some really annoying stereotype, then I can understand complaints. But at this point it's getting worked up into a froth for the sheer enjoyment of being outraged.
No, I mean the op mentioned backlash about it but I do not remember it being a major issue.
Though I could be misreading your statement.
I did not nor do I think there should have been any backlash.
LiquidNarwhal
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No, I understand your concern, but you have jumped to multiple conclusions one of them being the villain is gay. The other being that all gamers are stereotypic homophobes that just want to "hate" the villain because he's gay.
Edit: Maybe my words weren't strong enough, but this thread is insulting, an assumption that all "gamers" are bigots is unbelievably terrifying.
Edit: Maybe my words weren't strong enough, but this thread is insulting, an assumption that all "gamers" are bigots is unbelievably terrifying.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You say this as if there isn't a clear stereotype to what "Gay" is.
It is kinda ironic that you're stereotyping him without knowing. Being a stereotype isn't always a bad thing btw. I thought it was trendy to take ownership of all our stereotypes these days, you know; to disarm them. Yeah, I think we all should do that instead of letting PC take over.
I missed it too.. Can't imagine there was a big riot..
Death Penalty
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Now THAT would make for an interesting story.
so you want developers to cater to the shitheads of the world and do what? Make the villian a cookie cutter version that doesn't provoke people that are already fucked in the head?
The protag is supposed to be from the fictional country in which the game takes place. He looks fairly light skinned, but I some GAFers familiar with the area have said that his overall appearance (including skin color) falls within the general range of what you'd expect people from the Himalayan region.
I also heard some people commenting that the non-English dialogue in the demo sounded natural and had accurate grammar/pronunciation, which is pretty cool and gives me hope that Ubisoft actually did their homework when making this game.
If we continue to chip away at narrative options and combinations simply because some cruel hearted people can't accept that people can be different and still be worth just as much as them, then we run the risk of ever cheapening our society and culture in the hope it will bring safety. There are awful people in the world, let's not let them ruin even our stories and games, yes?
Yeah, and the trivialization of those fears is also concerning.
It's not necessarily about how one particular gay character in one game is played as a stereotype, but how that plays into the aggregate.
I would caution this thread to avoid the strawman of the PC police -- nothing in the OP would lead one to believe that he was offended. Instead, he was raising concerns about the portrayal of gay men in videogames, and how Far Cry 4 could play into that. That's a valid concern, and it's not wise to shrug off the fears that minorities have of their portrayal in media with a "get over it."
Personally, I'm sick of the effeminate, gay-coded villain in male-skewing media in contrast to the study hero. It was old in Skyfall and Tron 2, and it'd be old if that's how it played out here.
Resident_UA
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Also what does the sexuality have to do with being "good" or "evil"?!!! Are all straight guys in videogames "good"?
This is FOX news level of thought. You are tying up two completely unrelated things and then you are concerned about perceptions. This bothers me on so many levels!!
This is FOX news level of thought. You are tying up two completely unrelated things and then you are concerned about perceptions. This bothers me on so many levels!!
OneEightZero
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There are too many assumptions being made from too little a space of data. From what I saw, this guy is a sadistic badass that I want to see more of in this game.
There is not enough to go on from a short trailer to even begin a soapbox. Wait. Wait it out and see if the controversy heals itself before screaming for pitchforks.
There is not enough to go on from a short trailer to even begin a soapbox. Wait. Wait it out and see if the controversy heals itself before screaming for pitchforks.
pokeystaples
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It's not that he likes men, it's that he might be the stereotypical representation of a gay man, I'm tired of that shit, it's always like that and I want no part in that.
To be honest, we have been here before, literally in fact with this exact thread. Both sides will never change their views and it just ends with arguments, accusations and the thread getting closed.
I knew i should of stayed well away from this thread.
Deified Data
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I have no doubt that these "Ew, the gay guy is coming onto me" people exist, but the more common complaint in my experience was that all these people were coming on to you after a couple conversations without any effort on your part. It was really indicative of Bioware's bad habit of making every eligible character in the game a "Shepardsexual" or a "Hawkesexual". It was distracting and broke immersion.
And you think he's a gay man because...............................................? ....Because you're stereotyping...........................................................? Yes?
Fatal Futanari
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This whole thread is based on whining. In addition, I actually provided an answer rather than doing a driveby. However, Iove how you singled out my post though
This poster just seems to love to stir shit up. He's talking about a game that we still have little info on and doesnt come out until later this year. That's reaching.
In addition, why is the OP assuming that he is gay? He is worried about the use of stereotypes yet used them to make the assumption that the guy is gay. For all we know, everyone on the island could be gay.
there's about a dozen different branches of discussion that can be had here: a gay character can't be flamboyant? A heterosexual character can't be flamboyant? Should a gay character only wear a suit and a necktie? That's wrong. Should a hetero character only wear a suit and a necktie? That's wrong as well. Why are you assuming he's gay? Because he's flamboyantly dressed? That's also wrong.
Resident_UA
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Stereotypes are not "good" or "bad." They are just damaging. Gay people being homicidal maniacs isn't even a stereotype!
Is he the stereotypical representation of a gay man? In what way? Colorful dresser who cares about his hair? I thought the stereotypical representation of a gay man was way more hardcore. Lisp, flamboyant walk, exposed chest, neat-freak. I didn't even register "gay" while watching this trailer so how stereotypical could the representation have been?
Quite a few people didn't even register "gay" when watching this trailer. That doesn't sound like a stereotypical representation at all to me. It sounds more like certain individuals are painting the character with their own preconceived ideas and their own stereotypes.
T.M. MacReady
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he looks just like countless men in JRPGs. Crazy hairstyles and clothing.
This is what you're basing these assumptions from. Do you avoid any JRPG that dresses a character in such a way?
I die if the villain had a wife and kids as his beard but started something with the main character lol
BloodMoney
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Damnit, the more I think about that TLOU spoiler, the more pissed I get.
That seriously needs to get edited OP.
That seriously needs to get edited OP.
Member of LBGT calls character gay due to stereotypes. Hmmm.....irony?
Garrett Hawke
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No, I want devs to make meaningful LGBT characters in roles that aren't already going to generate hatred towards said characters when there are very few meaningful LGBT characters in positive roles.
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