MGSV: THE PHANTOM PAIN - E3 2014 Trailer (jp) [up: English]

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fuck it, i spent too long typing this post for it to rot in a dying thread

rosaceadude2112 said:
Emphatically disagreed, homie.

For one, despite the shared plot threads canon is arguably the least important aspect of the Metal Gear story line. Considering how plot points are regularly retconned, forgotten or conveniently ignored, it's apparent that the minute details are really there to serve the overall concepts behind every major title rather than acting as some kind of consistent universe unto itself. Each game in the series has its own distinct voice, communicating similar themes and ideas in tonally disparate ways. Metal Gear Solid has this gritty 90s techno-thriller vibe, 2 has its post-modern surrealism, 3 has it's light-hearted camp and Cold War intrigue, 4 has its bullshit and I didn't play Peace Walker so whatever. The most important thing carried over from MGS1 to MGS2 is abstract rather than any concrete plot details. The fact that Metal Gear Solid, released in 1998 by Konami on the Sony Playstation was a critically-acclaimed and best-selling video game and that fans loved the character of Solid Snake is more important to the story of MGS2 than the specific hows and whys of the Shadow Moses Incident. Every MGS game is more or less saying the same things, they're just all speaking different languages. The same is true of Phantom Pain.

The main talking point when discussing MGSV's tonal shift has been the prior proliferation and now noted absence of so-called "Goofy Ass Shit". I'm talking things like ninjas, vampires, ninja vampires, bee dudes, etc.. Most casual observers of the series have chalked these elements up to merely being the scattered residue of Kojima's own eccentricities and perverted sense of humor. And while it's true that Hideo Kojima is like a weird 60-year-old Japanese dude or something, this doesn't even begin to describe the true extent and purpose of these outlandish flights of fancy. In essence, they are strategic and deliberate devices in order to set a tone that is capable of carefully luring and intriguing players into understanding its harsh worldview. While the MGS series as a whole could be said to be about "War", more accurately it's generally more concerned with the deceptions surrounding war. The mental gymnastics of justifying atrocities, the politics of getting other people to go along with things they would never do themselves. In particular, 2 deals with how information control can change how people think and 3 deals with how fiction and idol worship can alter perceptions. With this in mind, we can now note that the MGS series up to this point takes place in a sort of state of "Unreality" where these elements can run free alongside some of the weightier concepts. For example, there aren't any fucking jungles like that in Russia. The fact that Phantom Pain mostly does away with this unreality is extremely important to the story it's telling.

That all said, 3 is probably the most important title to keep in mind when charting the course from Old MGS' unreality to Phantom Pain's unflinching gruesomeness. As I've posted before, MGS3 is a story about perception, more specifically disillusionment. Throughout the game, Naked Snake learns that war isn't the adventure that he'd hoped for, that the reality is nothing like the James Bonds or John Rambos the aesthetics so heavily crib from. The Cold War wasn't fought by Tuxedo'd Welshmen knee deep in pussy and Vietnam wasn't fought by shirtless musclemen. In killing the Boss, Snake takes the final step to acknowledge there is no Joy in battle. He had been lied to and manipulated in order to get to this point, and from then on he becomes determined to live by his own truth. He resolves to step away from the Unreality that told him being a soldier was great and instead to inhabit Reality.

To a point, anyway. The ideal of Outer Heaven is two noble warriors resolving their conflicts on the battlefield in honorable combat. No outside influence, no politicians behind the scenes, no double-crossing spies, nothing but soldiers being soldiers. The fact that he dreams of a nation where this is possible suggests he's still clinging to some of his old romanticism. The game leading up to the establishment of Outer Heaven is simply showing us why Outer Heaven is just another lie. That's why it's important that Phantom Pain won't simply be portraying Soldiers vs. Soldiers. There's a huge focus on the little people, figuratively and literally. The collateral damage. Think of the horrors Chico and Paz endured in Ground Zeroes. There's the scene with Chico where the thought of someone, anyone, entering his cell frightens him so much he can't even recognize Snake. And the tape where after suffering a brutal rape, Paz asks Chico if he wants to fuck. They're a couple of quiet, sad and pathetic moments that add a lot of life and character and sympathy to something so relentlessly bleak. From the trailers, we also know that MGSV will include child soldiers, kids getting knives pulled on them, handicapped people getting tortured, etc... Big Boss' words and deeds(heh) don't match up at all, and his quest to escape his former Unreality leads him to create another.

It's all very simple, really.
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Stop it Kojima!!! It's not Quiet!!! It can't be!
 
I seriously have to stop watching rewind videos of this trailer. IGN for example is so stupid it's not even funny anymore.

They riddle around who the guy on the right is.

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I MEAN SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK IGN? the girl said "I mean, i don't know it could be Kaz .........but it could also be Ocelot."

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT OCELOT??? USE YOUR BRAIN GAWD.


RK9039 said:
I'm guessing the woman with the long hair on far left is ToraShiro.
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No, that's Liquid.
 
XOF Unit said:
Yeah, IGN's content when it comes to MGS is beyond stupid. None of them are fans and they don't know shit
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It's not their job to be fans, though. Sort of the Achilles heel of gaming journalism is that the investment necessary to know the ins-and-outs (of a game like Metal Gear, especially) simply cannot be made.
 
Screaming Meat said:
If you're a journalist you do research. Part of the job.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't. It's just the way it is.

I agree, in the example above, it's been stated that the character in question is Kaz. The exact same model was shown at last year's E3 (Red Band), so I agree, if you're the one doing a Metal Gear analysis, then you should be aware of this.
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
I seriously have to stop watching rewind videos of this trailer. IGN for example is so stupid it's not even funny anymore.

They riddle around who the guy on the right is.

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I MEAN SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK IGN? the girl said "I mean, i don't know it could be Kaz .........but it could also be Ocelot."
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Yup, IGN is definitely on to something. Ocelot probably shoots his own foot by accident when he does his spinaroonie thing and that's why he has to use a crutch throughout TPP.
 
Love Deterrence said:
I'm not saying they shouldn't. It's just the way it is.

I agree, in the example above, it's been stated that the character in question is Kaz. The exact same model was shown at last year's E3 (Red Band), so I agree, if you're the one doing a Metal Gear analysis, then you should be aware of this.
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Sure. I don't expect them to know the year Ocelot bought his first revolver or Gray Fox's jockstrap size. Like you say, it's pretty basic.

All journalism requires research otherwise it's just chatting about stuff XD
 
Batzi said:
The President of SCE (JP) is invited to watch the gameplay presentation...HYPE?!
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President of SCE (JP) and Hideo Kojima laughing at us peasants... HYPE!

Screaming Meat said:
Sure. I don't expect them to know the year Ocelot bought his first revolver or Gray Fox's jockstrap size. Like you say, it's pretty basic.

All journalism requires research otherwise it's just chatting about stuff XD
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Ha! Right. Yeah, no doubt; I agree. I just don't agree with the notion that they have to be fans in order to discuss Metal Gear. I believe their job is to provide the coverage -- give us the material to judge for ourselves, and so long as they do that, they can be as ignorant of the series as they want (at least, that's how I feel). Though, a play-by-play analysis should be given by someone who is a little closer, for sure.
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
I seriously have to stop watching rewind videos of this trailer. IGN for example is so stupid it's not even funny anymore.

They riddle around who the guy on the right is.

2014-06-1021_13_19-mek7ueo.png


I MEAN SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK IGN? the girl said "I mean, i don't know it could be Kaz .........but it could also be Ocelot."

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT OCELOT??? USE YOUR BRAIN GAWD.




No, that's Liquid.
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just WHO is this mysterious one-eyed man? what's his deal anyway
 
Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 1h
Fulton recovery system returns! #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 55m
And you can Fulton vehicles. And SHEEP. #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 50m
You can call in support air strikes from your team at mother base in real time during tough situations #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 46m
You can walk around mother base and customise it from fultoned stuff. and SHEEP #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 24m
Anyway, to cut a long story short, Phantom Pain looks freakin' excellent.
 
Love Deterrence said:
Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 1h
Fulton recovery system returns! #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 55m
And you can Fulton vehicles. And SHEEP. #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 50m
You can call in support air strikes from your team at mother base in real time during tough situations #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 46m
You can walk around mother base and customise it from fultoned stuff. and SHEEP #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 24m
Anyway, to cut a long story short, Phantom Pain looks freakin' excellent.
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This is equivalent of a stripper giving me blue balls
 
Love Deterrence said:
Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 1h
Fulton recovery system returns! #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 55m
And you can Fulton vehicles. And SHEEP. #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 50m
You can call in support air strikes from your team at mother base in real time during tough situations #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 46m
You can walk around mother base and customise it from fultoned stuff. and SHEEP #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 24m
Anyway, to cut a long story short, Phantom Pain looks freakin' excellent.
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JK-Money said:
This is equivalent of a stripper giving me blue balls
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LMFAO!!
Sadly true
 
Love Deterrence said:
Ha! Right. Yeah, no doubt; I agree. I just don't agree with the notion that they have to be fans in order to discuss Metal Gear. I believe their job is to provide the coverage -- give us the material to judge for ourselves, and so long as they do that, they can be as ignorant of the series as they want (at least, that's how I feel). Though, a play-by-play analysis should be given by someone who is a little closer, for sure.
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God no, I 100% concur. Can't expect journalists to be fans of everything.
 
Love Deterrence said:
Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 1h
Fulton recovery system returns! #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 55m
And you can Fulton vehicles. And SHEEP. #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 50m
You can call in support air strikes from your team at mother base in real time during tough situations #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 46m
You can walk around mother base and customise it from fultoned stuff. and SHEEP #mgsv

Lucy O'Brien @Luceobrien · 24m
Anyway, to cut a long story short, Phantom Pain looks freakin' excellent.
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HYPE Rises yet again.


hnnnnng
 
Screaming Meat said:
God no, I 100% concur. Can't expect journalists to be fans of everything.
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For sure!

Sn4ke_911 said:
Holy shit, someone on twitter goes all in on the IGN chick.

That's not me btw, lol.

https://twitter.com/batlad6662814/status/476465913160826880
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Of course it's not you. It's Chico!

Napalm_Frank said:
Man I hope this is early 2015 (tho I suppose if it was they would have announced it already).
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The game is officially available for pre-order, so maybe we will be playing it by this time next year!
 
"Your video is pathetic and filled with errors. Do some research, journalist"
"Calm down! You should be nice!"


Fucking lol.
 
Sn4ke_911 said:
Holy shit, someone on twitter goes all in on the IGN chick.

That's not me btw, lol.

https://twitter.com/batlad6662814/status/476465913160826880
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im not going to lie it is about damn time someone called out ign on their bs, watch this, this is worse

http://ca.ign.com/videos/2014/06/10/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-reactions-e3-2014

Greg even says he loves metal gear and is a fan yet he knows jack shit about it when they talk about it. He thinks Eli is Jack/Raiden, he thinks mother base is big shell, he thinks this game picks up right after ground zeroes. Just my god, horrible journalism, even if your a fan....my god....
 
cackhyena said:
No, it's pathetic.
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It's not pathetic when journalism as a field is so competitive, and there are so many very knowledgeable people out there, yet people who make such basic errors which give-away they know nothing about the series slip through. Disappointing.
 
JK-Money said:
im not going to lie it is about damn time someone called out ign on their bs, watch this, this is worse

http://ca.ign.com/videos/2014/06/10/metal-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain-reactions-e3-2014

Greg even says he loves metal gear and is a fan yet he knows jack shit about it when they talk about it. He thinks Eli is Jack/Raiden, he thinks mother base is big shell, he thinks this game picks up right after ground zeroes. Just my god, horrible journalism, even if your a fan....my god....
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There's a right way to respond to this and it isn't how that twitter guy handled it. Sure, ask for someone with more knowledge on the series to come on the videos or voice your frustrations, but don't act so childish when doing so, you make yourself and gamers look bad.
 
You can fulton vehicles? :o

I know you could in Peace Walker but that was after about 100 hours of playing


Also: leave IGN alone. Seriously. Never go there, problem solved. Their Mario Kart analysis was bad enough.
 
Raynes said:
It's not pathetic when journalism as a field is so competitive, and there are so many very knowledgeable people out there, yet people who make such basic errors which give-away they know nothing about the series slip through. Disappointing.
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To attack a person because of their lack of knowledge about a game is pathetic to me. It would be pathetic if it were about more important issues than this, even.
 
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