It's like he tried how can you be that bad a racing game??
Sorry. I don't want to do this but...
You mean "it is" not "it would be", right?
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You mean "it is" not "it would be", right?
Miles Quaritch
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By the way, any mention of if Cat and Mouse will be making an appearance?
Not in Project Gotham though, which this game is generally compared to.It's not trying to be Ridge Racer.
Besides, it's not as if most of the footage of people playing actual arcade racers at events like these is much better.
I'm not seeing any problem with how he worded that.
I absolutely must question the "no rubberbanding" claim from Rushy, based on almost every video of gameplay I've ever seen. Look at the countryside gameplay. The player does this in the midst of a race:
Almost every other turn is either sloppy or outright poor. And that player still comes in third place, up from 6th. I assert that the game has every appearance of altering AI driver behavior to "rubberband" the results of the race. Even set to a very easy difficulty, that race doesn't make sense without that at play. Please watch the video if you don't understand why I say this. Any time the human driver makes an impact, the AI driver ahead appears to inexplicably make a dramatic mistake (even when they've passed the more difficult part of a turn), and in light of what I highlighted with the player literally driving in circles, unless every driver but those in first and second place stopped and did something similar for even longer than the player, the race result is practically impossible unless a rubber-banding mechanic were in play.
I hope there are better explanations of this, but I trust my eyes in this case. If game difficulty is decided by how frequently AI drivers deliberately drive off the side of the road during a straightaway (rather than how precisely they can judge turns or control shift timing), then again, this doesn't even have the appearance of playing like a modern PGR game.
I'm in disbelief at how bad this guy is driving. Holy shit.
Are you talking about rating it as in a review rating? I think it's pretty silly to rate a game based on tech alone before ever playing it.
One implies maliciously (not that the rest of the paragraph does) that it's possible all of the cars don't have modeled underbellies. I'm 95% positive that's not what he's trying to say, but I just need to make sure. And secondly, it's not "would be" an amazing coincidence, it is an amazing coincidence, because it did actually happened. And that's what the underbelly of the car (supposedly) looks like.Not in Project Gotham though, which this game is generally compared to.It's not trying to be Ridge Racer.
Besides, it's not as if most of the footage of people playing actual arcade racers at events like these is much better.
I'm not seeing any problem with how he worded that.
I doubt it was meant to be malicious, seeing as he was the person that brought up the SLR initially.
"it would be a coincidence if" and "it is a coincidence if" end up being the same thing really, with the first actually making more sense. I guess seeing as he's already aware of it being an SL variant, he needs to lose the "if" completely.
I guess I'm just nitpicking your nitpick really.
Handy Fake
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Figure of speech, dear boy. Figure of speech.
EDIT: I'm having that as my avatar. Decided.
Seems like a lot of trackside detail pop in too. Maybe because its in multiplayer mode.
travisbickle
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You think this is AI controlled? The car in front running off then flipping over the track.
I think it was multiplayer on the show floor.
SyaraSystem
Neo Member
You think this is AI controlled? The car in front running off then flipping over the track.
I think it was multiplayer on the show floor.
Hahaha. Holy shit.
Insane Metal
Member
You think this is AI controlled? The car in front running off then flipping over the track.
I think it was multiplayer on the show floor.
Wow! That was cool
Thursday War
Banned
Insane Metal
Member
Holy fucking shit, this is incredible!!
You think this is AI controlled? The car in front running off then flipping over the track.
I think it was multiplayer on the show floor.
The AI was just desperate to explore the countryside.
Amazing. But wow at those shit youtube comments, lol.
The audio is distorted and makes the audio sound worse than it actually does, so I understand the negativity.
edotlee
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I absolutely must question the "no rubberbanding" claim from Rushy, based on almost every video of gameplay I've ever seen. Look at the countryside gameplay. The player does this in the midst of a race:
Almost every other turn is either sloppy or outright poor. And that player still comes in third place, up from 6th. I assert that the game has every appearance of altering AI driver behavior to "rubberband" the results of the race. Even set to a very easy difficulty, that race doesn't make sense without that at play. Please watch the video if you don't understand why I say this. Any time the human driver makes an impact, the AI driver ahead appears to inexplicably make a dramatic mistake (even when they've passed the more difficult part of a turn), and in light of what I highlighted with the player literally driving in circles, unless every driver but those in first and second place stopped and did something similar for even longer than the player, the race result is practically impossible unless a rubber-banding mechanic were in play.
I hope there are better explanations of this, but I trust my eyes in this case. If game difficulty is decided by how frequently AI drivers deliberately drive off the side of the road during a straightaway (rather than how precisely they can judge turns or control shift timing), then again, this doesn't even have the appearance of playing like a modern PGR game.
I hear you loud and clear on rubberbanding and it absolutely ruins racing games. Couldn't finish Burnout 3 myself despite it being a fun game because of the rubberbanding.
Sometimes it has to do with the game streaming the graphics in so the car is not actually racing along with the player, and the car on screen is seperate its lap time. This happened with F1 a few years ago.
TJP
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Alan from VVV comes through as always! Thanks for posting the video.
Glorious but what a clusterfk of a race at times lmao...love it.
qa_engineer
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Liabe Brave
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I don't think the video shows what you think it does. That GIF of the epic spinout is slowed down immensely. If you watch the video, the driver actually gets back onto the road only about 8 seconds after position 3 passes him (followed by 4 and 5). For a while, he doesn't catch up to anything...during which time car 5 drives off the road and flips over the track (GIF earlier in this thread).I absolutely must question the "no rubberbanding" claim from Rushy, based on almost every video of gameplay I've ever seen. Look at the countryside gameplay. The player does this in the midst of a race:
Almost every other turn is either sloppy or outright poor. And that player still comes in third place, up from 6th. I assert that the game has every appearance of altering AI driver behavior to "rubberband" the results of the race.
It's about a minute after his accident before he passes car 4, then another 45 seconds or so to pass car 3. So his 8-second deficit takes him ~100 seconds to overcome. That's perhaps not true to reality, but I don't think it overly easy for an arcadey racer. (And note that his sloppy driving very nearly drops him back to 4th again, but the race ends soon after.)
You think this is AI controlled? The car in front running off then flipping over the track.
I think it was multiplayer on the show floor.
Yup, that was a vid with multiplayer, as evident by the holographic names on top of the cars, not to mention there are only 8 cars on track because the dev team could only set up 8 racing pods for multiplayer at E3. All of the E3 single player vids have 12 cars, and you don't see the holograms on top of the opponent cars, as seen in the vids below.
I'm really happy that it isn't the case in Driveclub. Too many arcade racing games go with pedal-to-the-metal-and-hope-that-you-don't-fuck-up philosophy. Mastering corners is the essence of racing after all. It's great that Evo took the middle ground between arcade of sim.
That's exactly eight. We had 2 demo's at E3 (well we also had it running on PS TV & Remote Play elsewhere across the show), the first demo was 4 v 4 club racing (we wanted 6 v 6 but didn't have the space) and a single-player demo on the new Thrustmaster T300 racing wheel.
There is absolutely no rubber banding what so ever. All AI or Human competitors can only ever drive to the limits of the selected car.
There's a few bugs in the online demo causing these collision issues. We'll have them addressed for launch.
We decided to to use a body plate on the underside of all vehicles, as in reality you don't drive these cars on these types or roads at this speed. The cars bottom out frequently in the game as they're being pushed to their absolute limits (we haven't artificially increased ride height to get around it as it affects the centre of mass), which is why we decided to add body plates to the underside. Also, yes of course it does save on unnecessary detail so we can spend the resource elsewhere.
That's settled then. Thanks for the update!
... still patiently waiting on a few seconds of that delicious, delicious weather footage the press has been raving about, Rushy!
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Thanks Rushy
Game looks absolutely incredible and I'm there day 1 as a casual racing fan. Great job
PGR is probably one of my favorite racing games of all time and it seems to get compared to that game. Do you feel PGR fans will pick up the controller and feel right at home with it?
Game looks absolutely incredible and I'm there day 1 as a casual racing fan. Great job
PGR is probably one of my favorite racing games of all time and it seems to get compared to that game. Do you feel PGR fans will pick up the controller and feel right at home with it?
Confused Cheeseburger
Member
What's the music situation in this game? Licensed, original, custom soundtracks?
This game is giving me PGR vibes, PGR3 was how I spent damn near most of my first christmas with the 360 (like 8 years ago).
This game is giving me PGR vibes, PGR3 was how I spent damn near most of my first christmas with the 360 (like 8 years ago).
That's great to hear. It was the first real worry I've had for the game so far. I guess it makes sense to have not seen it before if the bug is restricted to the online implementation.
Acquiescence
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Confused Cheeseburger
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Rushy said they will post a video after E3. Basically, soon!
can't wait.
Confused Cheeseburger
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wapplew
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That's "soon" from Soony.
I absolutely must question the "no rubberbanding" claim from Rushy, based on almost every video of gameplay I've ever seen. Look at the countryside gameplay. The player does this in the midst of a race:
Almost every other turn is either sloppy or outright poor. And that player still comes in third place, up from 6th. I assert that the game has every appearance of altering AI driver behavior to "rubberband" the results of the race. Even set to a very easy difficulty, that race doesn't make sense without that at play. Please watch the video if you don't understand why I say this. Any time the human driver makes an impact, the AI driver ahead appears to inexplicably make a dramatic mistake (even when they've passed the more difficult part of a turn), and in light of what I highlighted with the player literally driving in circles, unless every driver but those in first and second place stopped and did something similar for even longer than the player, the race result is practically impossible unless a rubber-banding mechanic were in play.
I hope there are better explanations of this, but I trust my eyes in this case. If game difficulty is decided by how frequently AI drivers deliberately drive off the side of the road during a straightaway (rather than how precisely they can judge turns or control shift timing), then again, this doesn't even have the appearance of playing like a modern PGR game.
These vids from the E3 show floor are 8 player MP races, so all 8 players are human controlled. No rubberbanding, just absolutely shitty players.
HueyFreeman
Banned
First I've really seen of the true game. Some nice driving on display there too (at times). Games looking great - sad we have to wait until October.
Rushy, back to Motorstorm after this, K?
Thanks man.
EGOMON
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You can always pick it up later after you are done with the Holiday games
Fancy Clown
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This game is too damn sexy. I can't wait to see the weather effects in action.
Miles Quaritch
Member
More than reasonable and to be clear, I didn't mean it as a criticism, was just wondering why it wasn't detailed, so thanks for clearing that up.
Now how about that weather footage, Rushy?
Excellent, thank you for the clarification! I edited the earlier comment, just so I don't accidentally give people the wrong impression about the game.
Also, re: the single-player setup with the wheel, the T300 RS is supposed to be available at retail August 15, 2014 if nothing changes since the product announcement. It's a little above my budget, but jeez that thing looks nice. I'd love some legacy Logitech support, but I won't hold my breath...
rushy said:
The constant and specific mention of thrustmaster has me worried. Makes me think Sony have some co-marketing thing going on, which in turn reduces the likelihood we'll get logitech legacy support.
Also sounded a bit marketing speaky from rushy, but I'll put that one down to 'been saying the same thing all day every day and can't help it'